Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

If i connect a balanced connector into one of the sub-outs, and then 
connect it to a balanced input in my mixer, will it just work as a normal 
unbalanced signal? 

>>>Depends on the wiring of the cable, as long as the Tip is hot, it 
should work fine.  MOst cables are this wayt, so it shouldn't be an issue. 
 BTW, someone mentioned that only the main out's were balanced, are you 
sure about that?  Because they can operate as send/returns, I'm pretty 
sure they're balanced too.... <<<<
(I'm just about to buy a load of cables for my xl-7 and i will get all 
stereo connectors if it will work ok - just because the stereo ones are 
only slightly more expensive than mono and i will be able to use them for 
other stuff later as well).
>>>Exactly.  You should be fine with TRS cabl;es for your main outs, the 
sub outs will be up to you.  Personally I think the best bang for the buck 
is ProCo's Excellines series (only cables I use in my studio).  You can 
get them from www.sweetwater.com.  Cheaper than Monster (which for high 
end studios ARE worth the money), yet almost as good. <<<
rEalm

I think Guitar Center is doing that too.  Most likely Emu is trying to get 
rid of most of their back stock on Proteus Roms, since the new Proteus 
2500 Rom will be out this summer.  I know, I wish I had one of those 
too...

rEalm



If you buy an XL-7 now, Emu will give you a free 32Mb Proteus ROM with 
it!!!  No fair!!    Is this an Emu thing, or just limited to 
Sweetwater????  I will be slightly unhappy if it's an Emu thing and i 
don't get my free ROM!

--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> If i connect a balanced connector into one of the sub-outs, and 
then 
> connect it to a balanced input in my mixer, will it just work as a 
normal 
> unbalanced signal? 
> 
> >>>Depends on the wiring of the cable, as long as the Tip is hot, 
it 
> should work fine.  MOst cables are this wayt, so it shouldn't be an 
issue. 
>  BTW, someone mentioned that only the main out's were balanced, are 
you 
> sure about that?  Because they can operate as send/returns, I'm 
pretty 
> sure they're balanced too.... <<<<

I am sure that the sub outs are not balanced. The sub outs 
are "insert" send returns. These have tip as hot, ring as return, and 
sleeve as ground. Plugging a balanced cable from this into your mixer 
could cause problems. The ring will proboably pick up whatever noise 
is around and send that to both the input on the mixer and the main 
outs on the xl-7. You may get lucky and not notice anything, but it 
is not good parctice. For the sub outs either use an insert cable or 
an unbalanced cable for best results.

--Ezra

You're right.  I was thinking of the subs as balanced, only cause they 
used a T/R/S set up, not because the output ground signal is actually 
being cancelled by thaa third line.  My bad.  :)

rEalm



I am sure that the sub outs are not balanced. The sub outs 
are "insert" send returns. These have tip as hot, ring as return, and 
sleeve as ground. Plugging a balanced cable from this into your mixer 
could cause problems. The ring will proboably pick up whatever noise 
is around and send that to both the input on the mixer and the main 
outs on the xl-7. You may get lucky and not notice anything, but it 
is not good parctice. For the sub outs either use an insert cable or 
an unbalanced cable for best results.

--Ezra



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If i connect a balanced connector into one of the sub-outs, and then connect
it to a balanced input in my mixer, will it just work as a normal unbalanced
signal?

>>>Depends on the wiring of the cable, as long as the Tip is hot, it should
work fine.  MOst cables are this wayt, so it shouldn't be an issue.  BTW,
someone mentioned that only the main out's were balanced, are you sure about
that?  Because they can operate as send/returns, I'm pretty sure they're
balanced too.... <<<<

Humph. I would wait till someone from emu got back to you on this. My
assumption would be that because the subouts worked as send/returns, there
wouldn't be a way for them to be balanced as well. If you put a balanced
cable in, it would try to send on one channel and receive on the other. So,
at best, you would only be using one channel of the cable.

bIz

Yep, i think i'll stick to unbalanced for the sub-outs and balanced for the main outs. Thanks for your help guys, much appreciated.

btw. if you live in the uk, a good place to get cables from is www.vdctrading.com - they do good prices and make all their cables to order, so you can get whatever length and setup you like.

john.

-----Original Message-----
From: ezra_gold [mailto:ezra_gold@...]
Sent: 25 April 2002 18:30
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: Balanced cables

I am sure that the sub outs are not balanced. The sub outs
are "insert" send returns. These have tip as hot, ring as return, and
sleeve as ground. Plugging a balanced cable from this into your mixer
could cause problems. The ring will proboably pick up whatever noise
is around and send that to both the input on the mixer and the main
outs on the xl-7. You may get lucky and not notice anything, but it
is not good parctice. For the sub outs either use an insert cable or
an unbalanced cable for best results.

--Ezra

Thought I'd pop in here with a quick official update.  None of the XL-7
outputs are balanced.  They all do, however, have special functionality.

Here goes:

Main Left: if there's no plug in the Main R, this jack is stereo.
(T=left, R=right, S=ground)

Main Right: if there's no plug in the Main L jack, this is a mono sum
(T=left+right, S=ground)

Any Sub Jack: these are insert jacks, for send/return (T=send, R=return,
S=ground)

The mains are like this to allow people to hook to a mono amp (with one
TS cable from the Main Right jack) or hook up to a stereo input (with
one TRS cable from Main Left).

Bottom line is, you should use unbalanced cables for everything, unless
you want to do something special (like use the returns on the subs, or
use only one TRS cable for the main L).

-Aaron

John Royle wrote:

>
>
> Yep, i think i'll stick to unbalanced for the sub-outs and balanced
> for the main outs.  Thanks for your help guys, much appreciated.
>
>
> I am sure that the sub outs are not balanced. The sub outs
> are "insert" send returns. These have tip as hot, ring as return, and
> sleeve as ground. Plugging a balanced cable from this into your mixer
> could cause problems. The ring will proboably pick up whatever noise
> is around and send that to both the input on the mixer and the main
> outs on the xl-7. You may get lucky and not notice anything, but it
> is not good parctice. For the sub outs either use an insert cable or
> an unbalanced cable for best results.
>
> --Ezra