Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

I was working with the XL-7 this weekend, and sequencing from SX.  I 
noticed something for the first time though, wondering what tohers think 
about it. I know that when you tweak a preset from the front panel, the 
Preset display shows an asterisk next to the name, so you know that th 
preset has been modified.  However if you're sending the XX-7 CC's from 
another sequencer, the Preset display doesn't show the asterisk to let you 
know the Preset has been modifed.  Questions:

Is the Preset really modified, if you save it will the new CC's take 
precedence over what was rpeviously saved?  If so, seems that the asterisk 
should appear then.  Unless I'm just missing something really obvious?

rEalm

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Try a save and find out?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: erik_magrini@... 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 8:10 AM
  Subject: [xl7] Preset question


  I was working with the XL-7 this weekend, and sequencing from SX.  I 
  noticed something for the first time though, wondering what tohers think 
  about it. I know that when you tweak a preset from the front panel, the 
  Preset display shows an asterisk next to the name, so you know that th 
  preset has been modified.  However if you're sending the XX-7 CC's from 
  another sequencer, the Preset display doesn't show the asterisk to let you 
  know the Preset has been modifed.  Questions:

  Is the Preset really modified, if you save it will the new CC's take 
  precedence over what was rpeviously saved?  If so, seems that the asterisk 
  should appear then.  Unless I'm just missing something really obvious?

  rEalm

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Hehe, yeah I was going to but I was deep in the moment whan I noticed and 
didn't want to put my engineer's hat on at the time.  I'll try it 
tonight...

rEalm




Try a save and find out?



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> Is the Preset really modified, if you save it will the new CC's take 
> precedence over what was rpeviously saved?  If so, seems that the asterisk 
> should appear then.  Unless I'm just missing something really obvious?

Perceived wisdom (i.e. the way that most other instruments do it) is
to treat controller data as performance input rather than programming
instructions. Certainly you don't want to save volume or mod-wheel (or
pitchbend, although that's not strictly a controller) with the
patch. SysEx is almost always considered programming input; RPN's and
NRPN's are a bit iffy, since so few devices implement them that
there's no real precedent.

The XL-7 (in fact, most of the Proteus line) have this notion of an
initial controller amount, which *is* part of the patch, so the issue
is confused by the various ways that this can be changed (as an edit,
rather than a performance or control gesture). As I recall the Audity,
Proteus, XL-7 et. al.'s front knobs change this (and hence edit the
patch); I would hope that external CC input would not do either.

Just to add to the confusion, volume and pan are control inputs from
the point of view of the patch, but could be considered program data
from the point of view of a sequence or pattern...

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

Sysex edits the preset *directly*.  There's no need to save a preset
after editing it via sysex, because what sysex edits IS the saved
preset.  Any changes made via sysex will also show up in the preset
edit screen so that you can change it from the front panel as well.

In a nutshell:
Edit via Preset Edit screen   - puts preset in the "scratch buffer"
                                which needs to be saved (hence the *)

Edit via Sysex                - directly edits the preset, bypassing
                                the "scratch buffer", though it will
                                update the buffer too so you can see
                                those updates in the menu

Edit via EXTERNAL controllers - doesn't edit the preset at all

Edit via Front Panel Knobs    - same as editing via the menu unless
                                quick edit is disabled, then acts like
                                and external controller (i.e. no edit)

-Aaron

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