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Is this true? if so i find this to be a major flaw in this machine.

--- "Joe Poet <madpiston@...>" <madpiston@...> wrote:
> Is this true? if so i find this to be a major flaw in this machine.

Where on earth did you hear that?  You can store 1024 patterns and 512
songs.

Cheers,
  -Aaron

PS. There are 16 multichannel tracks (16 channels each) in pattern mode
plus an additional linear song track with another 16 channels.  Maybe
this is what you heard?

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> --- "Joe Poet <madpiston@y...>" <madpiston@y...> wrote:
> > Is this true? if so i find this to be a major flaw in this machine.
> 
> Where on earth did you hear that?  You can store 1024 patterns and 512
> songs.
> 
> Cheers,
>   -Aaron
> 
> PS. There are 16 multichannel tracks (16 channels each) in pattern mode
> plus an additional linear song track with another 16 channels.  Maybe
> this is what you heard?


Well i have been researching the xl-7 and ran across this page
http://www.vintagesynth.org/emu/xl7.shtml
there it says exacly that

> Well i have been researching the xl-7 and ran across this page
> http://www.vintagesynth.org/emu/xl7.shtml
> there it says exacly that

You're very right, and they're very wrong.  I just emailed the
webmaster indicating the error and offering to fix the specifications.

-Aaron

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> > Well i have been researching the xl-7 and ran across this page
> > http://www.vintagesynth.org/emu/xl7.shtml
> > there it says exacly that
> 
> You're very right, and they're very wrong.  I just emailed the
> webmaster indicating the error and offering to fix the specifications.
> 
> -Aaron

CAN SOMEONE CLEAR THIS UP PLEASE So your telling me that i can seq 512
songs? that would be great but im still unsure of that.. i ran across
the same info on another page
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/nov01/articles/emu.htm
all the way at the bottom in the Specification chart highlited in purple
thanks for your help.. its greatly apreciated

There is nothing "incorrect" about the stats at on the sos site:

"Presets (synth patches): 512 User, 512 ROM memories.
. Patterns: up to 16 tracks and 32 bars; 8 x 128 memories.
. Sequencer: 16 Pattern tracks and one Song track; 384ppqn resolution; Song, Pattern, and Grid modes; max Song length 999 bars; 300,000-note record capacity; SMF types 0 and 1 import/export via MIDI using supplied Emu E-Loader software."

BUT what is *missing* is a reference to the *fact* that the Command Stations can hold in memory: 4 banks of 128 (equals 512 user memory slots for SONGS)

Remember 2 things:

1. no matter how many memory slots you have for songs, you have a limit of 300,000 notes in total. So you may not be able to fill all those slots if you have long songs.

2. The reference to the "one Song track" is that you can have 16 different tracks running different patterns all the while you have a separate track running a long single "song" sequence. This is cool. Think of it this way. You create a 16 bar pattern and let it roll over and over all the while you record a long synth line or solo that lasts for the whole length of your song (say 1024 bars). That long sequence is your "one Song track" then you go back and start creating new patterns to create changes and break up the monotony of that single 16 bar pattern you were riffing on. Then you sequence a real "Song" using those many pattern tracks together with the long "one Song track" Altogether you can save the group as a "Song" and if you don't use too much notes, you might save up to 512 like that.

Go buy one new at a good store with a "no questions asked" return policy, save the box, be nice to the unit and the packing material (don't fill out the warranty card :) , and try it out. If it doesn't do what you want, pack it up and take it back.

Ravi

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Poet <madpiston@...> 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:19 PM
  Subject: [xl7] Re: Sequencer only stores 16 patterns/1 song!!


  --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
  > > Well i have been researching the xl-7 and ran across this page
  > > http://www.vintagesynth.org/emu/xl7.shtml
  > > there it says exacly that
  > 
  > You're very right, and they're very wrong.  I just emailed the
  > webmaster indicating the error and offering to fix the specifications.
  > 
  > -Aaron

  CAN SOMEONE CLEAR THIS UP PLEASE So your telling me that i can seq 512
  songs? that would be great but im still unsure of that.. i ran across
  the same info on another page
  http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/nov01/articles/emu.htm
  all the way at the bottom in the Specification chart highlited in purple
  thanks for your help.. its greatly apreciated


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>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Joe Poet <madpiston@y...> 
>   To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:19 PM



>   Subject: [xl7] Re: Sequencer only stores 16 patterns/1 song!!

>   > > Well i have been researching the xl-7 and ran across this page
>   > > http://www.vintagesynth.org/emu/xl7.shtml
>   > > there it says exacly that
>   > 



>   > You're very right, and they're very wrong.  I just emailed the
>   > webmaster indicating the error and offering to fix the
specifications.
>   > 
>   > -Aaron
> 



>   CAN SOMEONE CLEAR THIS UP PLEASE So your telling me that i can seq 512
>   songs? that would be great but im still unsure of that.. i ran across
>   the same info on another page
>   http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/nov01/articles/emu.htm
>   all the way at the bottom in the Specification chart highlited in
purple
>   thanks for your help.. its greatly apreciated




> > There is nothing "incorrect" about the stats at on the sos site:
> 
> "Presets (synth patches): 512 User, 512 ROM memories.
> . Patterns: up to 16 tracks and 32 bars; 8 x 128 memories.
> . Sequencer: 16 Pattern tracks and one Song track; 384ppqn
resolution; Song, Pattern, and Grid modes; max Song length 999 bars;
300,000-note record capacity; SMF types 0 and 1 import/export via MIDI
using supplied Emu E-Loader software."
> 
> BUT what is *missing* is a reference to the *fact* that the Command
Stations can hold in memory: 4 banks of 128 (equals 512 user memory
slots for SONGS)
> 
> Remember 2 things:
> 
> 1. no matter how many memory slots you have for songs, you have a
limit of 300,000 notes in total. So you may not be able to fill all
those slots if you have long songs.
> 
> 2. The reference to the "one Song track" is that you can have 16
different tracks running different patterns all the while you have a
separate track running a long single "song" sequence. This is cool.
Think of it this way. You create a 16 bar pattern and let it roll over
and over all the while you record a long synth line or solo that lasts
for the whole length of your song (say 1024 bars). That long sequence
is your "one Song track" then you go back and start creating new
patterns to create changes and break up the monotony of that single 16
bar pattern you were riffing on. Then you sequence a real "Song" using
those many pattern tracks together with the long "one Song track"
Altogether you can save the group as a "Song" and if you don't use too
much notes, you might save up to 512 like that.
> 
> Go buy one new at a good store with a "no questions asked" return
policy, save the box, be nice to the unit and the packing material
(don't fill out the warranty card :) , and try it out. If it doesn't
do what you want, pack it up and take it back.
> 
> Ravi
> 





 thanks soooo much for the info... now its all makes sence
            thanks again
                 madpiston

You're misunderstanding. It says "16 Pattern tracks, One Sone track". That is 
saying that the main sequencer has 16 tracks and there is an additional Song 
track that holds all the data(realtime, mixer, etc) for the entire Song. You can 
indeed store 512 of these. Plus, you can actually sequence 64 tracks, not 16. 
You have 16 Internal A, 16 Internal B, 16 External A, and 16 External B. It's 
probably just E-mu's weird naming convention that threw you off. Hope that 
helps.




> CAN SOMEONE CLEAR THIS UP PLEASE So your telling me that i can seq 
512

> songs? that would be great but im still unsure of that.. i ran across
> the same info on another page
> http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/nov01/articles/emu.htm
> all the way at the bottom in the Specification chart highlited in purple
> thanks for your help.. its greatly apreciated