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I got a Karma on Sunday. So now I am going to hook everything 
together and want a second opinion if this would be the right way to 
slave the XL-7 and still be able to trigger samples on my PC. I am 
using a midiman 2x2. 

So, I am going to go from the Karma's out to the midiman A in. 
The midiman's A out will return to the Karma. 
The midiman's B out port will go into the XL7's in port amd the XL7 
out will route back to the B in on the midiman.

This should still let me do edits via E-loader and use the Karma as a 
controller for the XL7 and software, right? Or should I be using the 
through port on the Karma?

I am not a networking type of person. So, I have looking at all of 
the different schematics from all the vendors and I think I need a 
drink. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

-Greg

That should work just fine, just make sure to select the Midisport's B 
port in E-loader and you should be good to go!

rEalm




I got a Karma on Sunday. So now I am going to hook everything 
together and want a second opinion if this would be the right way to 
slave the XL-7 and still be able to trigger samples on my PC. I am 
using a midiman 2x2. 

So, I am going to go from the Karma's out to the midiman A in. 
The midiman's A out will return to the Karma. 
The midiman's B out port will go into the XL7's in port amd the XL7 
out will route back to the B in on the midiman.

This should still let me do edits via E-loader and use the Karma as a 
controller for the XL7 and software, right? Or should I be using the 
through port on the Karma?

I am not a networking type of person. So, I have looking at all of 
the different schematics from all the vendors and I think I need a 
drink. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

-Greg



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I should have mentioned that if you want to control the XL-7 directly from 
the Karma, then you would just run form the Karanm ou port to the XL-7's 
in port.  If you use Logic or Cubase, those programs will let you do the 
routing 'virtually' which could be easier than physically swapping the 
cables.

rEalm





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That should work just fine, just make sure to select the Midisport's B 
port in E-loader and you should be good to go!

rEalm




I got a Karma on Sunday. So now I am going to hook everything 
together and want a second opinion if this would be the right way to 
slave the XL-7 and still be able to trigger samples on my PC. I am 
using a midiman 2x2. 

So, I am going to go from the Karma's out to the midiman A in. 
The midiman's A out will return to the Karma. 
The midiman's B out port will go into the XL7's in port amd the XL7 
out will route back to the B in on the midiman.

This should still let me do edits via E-loader and use the Karma as a 
controller for the XL7 and software, right? Or should I be using the 
through port on the Karma?

I am not a networking type of person. So, I have looking at all of 
the different schematics from all the vendors and I think I need a 
drink. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

-Greg



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So, I would connect it up through the midiman like in the orignal? 
Then change the midi settings in Cubase? I will be using Ableton Live 
as well to let samples play. And in most cases Live will initiate the 
start stop commands to the XL7.

Would it be better to seperate the two pieces of hardware and 
dedicate each to its own channel on the 2x2? Can the XL7 have 
multiple sources giving it commands?

I have a feeling I am going to have a lot of questions on this and I 
dread the first time I have tear this all down and set up somewhere 
else.

-Greg


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> I should have mentioned that if you want to control the XL-7 
directly from 
> the Karma, then you would just run form the Karanm ou port to the 
XL-7's 
> in port.  If you use Logic or Cubase, those programs will let you 
do the 
> routing 'virtually' which could be easier than physically swapping 
the 
> cables.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> erik_magrini@B...
> 12/17/02 01:50 PM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
>  
>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        Re: [xl7] I need my hand held - midi 
chaining question
> 
> 
> That should work just fine, just make sure to select the 
Midisport's B 
> port in E-loader and you should be good to go!
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I got a Karma on Sunday. So now I am going to hook everything 
> together and want a second opinion if this would be the right way 
to 
> slave the XL-7 and still be able to trigger samples on my PC. I am 
> using a midiman 2x2. 
> 
> So, I am going to go from the Karma's out to the midiman A in. 
> The midiman's A out will return to the Karma. 
> The midiman's B out port will go into the XL7's in port amd the XL7 
> out will route back to the B in on the midiman.
> 
> This should still let me do edits via E-loader and use the Karma as 
a 
> controller for the XL7 and software, right? Or should I be using 
the 
> through port on the Karma?
> 
> I am not a networking type of person. So, I have looking at all of 
> the different schematics from all the vendors and I think I need a 
> drink. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
> 
> -Greg
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That's how I would do it, give each it's own port.  Inside Cubase, you 
select a midi track and choose the Midi In port you wish to use (Karma or 
XL-7), and then you choose the Midi Out port you want too.  If you 
activate the preview icon, you can now play the Karam and have it sounds 
the XL-7 (on whatever channel your Cubase track is set to).  Set the Track 
channel to All in Cubase to use all1 6 channels in the XL-7.  Yes, the 
XL-7 can have multiple sources giving it commands.

rEalm



Would it be better to seperate the two pieces of hardware and 
dedicate each to its own channel on the 2x2? Can the XL7 have 
multiple sources giving it commands?




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Cool, I will be hooking things up tonight. I will post a progress 
report later. BTW, that is a pretty cool studio you have.

-greg


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> That's how I would do it, give each it's own port.  Inside Cubase, 
you 
> select a midi track and choose the Midi In port you wish to use 
(Karma or 
> XL-7), and then you choose the Midi Out port you want too.  If you 
> activate the preview icon, you can now play the Karam and have it 
sounds 
> the XL-7 (on whatever channel your Cubase track is set to).  Set 
the Track 
> channel to All in Cubase to use all1 6 channels in the XL-7.  Yes, 
the 

> XL-7 can have multiple sources giving it commands.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> Would it be better to seperate the two pieces of hardware and 
> dedicate each to its own channel on the 2x2? Can the XL7 have 
> multiple sources giving it commands?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 12/17/02 2:35 PM, "Greg <golerage@...>" <golerage@...> wrote:

> I got a Karma on Sunday. So now I am going to hook everything
> together and want a second opinion if this would be the right way to
> slave the XL-7 and still be able to trigger samples on my PC. I am
> using a midiman 2x2.
> 
> So, I am going to go from the Karma's out to the midiman A in.
> The midiman's A out will return to the Karma.
> The midiman's B out port will go into the XL7's in port amd the XL7
> out will route back to the B in on the midiman.
> 
> This should still let me do edits via E-loader and use the Karma as a
> controller for the XL7 and software, right? Or should I be using the
> through port on the Karma?
> 
> I am not a networking type of person. So, I have looking at all of
> the different schematics from all the vendors and I think I need a
> drink. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
> 
> -Greg


This will work as described but I would recommend one slight change that
will give you even more flexibility.

Set it up as follows:

KARMA MIDI OUT -> MIDI SPORT A IN
XL-7 MIDI OUT -> MIDI SPORT B IN
MIDI SPORT A OUT -> XL-7 IN
MIDI SPORT B OUT -> KARMA IN.

This has the two outs swapped from your original.  Why the change?  Because
unless you do as I recommend there is no way for the KARMA and the XL-7 to
control each other without the PC being directly involved.  The MIDI Sport
has a THRU switch that basically connects IN-A to OUT A and IN-B to OUT-B.
If you hook up as I described and engage the THRU feature the XL-7 and the
KARMA will be effectively hooked up together and will not need the PC for
any involvement.

The alternative to doing as I suggest is to use a program like MIDI-OX to do
the MIDI patching.


drk

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On 12/17/02 3:33 PM, "Greg <golerage@...>" <golerage@...> wrote:

> Would it be better to seperate the two pieces of hardware and
> dedicate each to its own channel on the 2x2? Can the XL7 have
> multiple sources giving it commands?
> 

The XL-7 has only a single MIDI input so it can respond to at most sixteen
external MIDI channels. These can originate from any combination of the PC
or the KARMA when you are using the PC running your sequencer.

The 2x2 setup per my recommendation in the previous posy will work quite
well to do what you are looking to do, and you will not be required to
change cables.

the only advantage you could gain from adding any additional hardware, or
changing the configuration would be to take advantage of the XL-7's 32
channel sequencing capabilities.  The current setup will at most allow the
XL-7 to control only 16 channels of external MIDI, either on the PC or in
the KARMA in any combination.  If you add an additional single input MIDI
interface to your PC you could then send 32 channels to the PC which could
be split between the KARMA (full 16) and software instruments.

An alternative would be the following configuration using the single 2x2:

XL-7 MIDI OUT A -> MIDI SPORT IN A
XL-7 MIDI OUT B -> KARMA MIDI IN
KARMA MIDI OUT -> MIDI SPORT IN B
MIDI SPORT OUT B -> XL-7 MIDI IN
MIDI SPORT OUT A -> (not used)

This lets you have the XL-7 control both 16 KARMA channels and 16 PC
software instrument channels at the same time.  It also lets the KARMA
control either the PC or the XL-7.  The THRU button trick mentioned
previously still works so the XL-7 and the KARMA can play together without
recabling and the computer out of the picture.

What do you loose?  The KARMA can not be directly controlled by the PC.  All
KARMA control will have to originate or pass through the XL-7.

Given how inexpensive USB MIDI interfaces are these days I would recommend
adding an additional MIDI port to the PC and bringing in the XL-7 B output
that way.  That would give you the most flexibility and power.

drk

www.delora.com/music
www.mp3.com/zdrk
drk.iuma.com

I have the Emagic AMT-8 MIDI interface, but use it as midi router, 
splitter and merger (at the same time). Sloves all the problems about 
how to chain the gear together...

//Nifflas

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, drK <drk@d...> wrote:
> On 12/17/02 3:33 PM, "Greg <golerage@y...>" <golerage@y...> wrote:
> 
> > Would it be better to seperate the two pieces of hardware and
> > dedicate each to its own channel on the 2x2? Can the XL7 have
> > multiple sources giving it commands?
> > 
> 
> The XL-7 has only a single MIDI input so it can respond to at most 
sixteen
> external MIDI channels. These can originate from any combination of 
the PC
> or the KARMA when you are using the PC running your sequencer.
> 
> The 2x2 setup per my recommendation in the previous posy will work 
quite
> well to do what you are looking to do, and you will not be required 
to
> change cables.
> 
> the only advantage you could gain from adding any additional 
hardware, or
> changing the configuration would be to take advantage of the XL-7's 
32
> channel sequencing capabilities.  The current setup will at most 
allow the
> XL-7 to control only 16 channels of external MIDI, either on the PC 
or in
> the KARMA in any combination.  If you add an additional single 
input MIDI
> interface to your PC you could then send 32 channels to the PC 
which could
> be split between the KARMA (full 16) and software instruments.
> 
> An alternative would be the following configuration using the 
single 2x2:
> 
> XL-7 MIDI OUT A -> MIDI SPORT IN A
> XL-7 MIDI OUT B -> KARMA MIDI IN
> KARMA MIDI OUT -> MIDI SPORT IN B
> MIDI SPORT OUT B -> XL-7 MIDI IN
> MIDI SPORT OUT A -> (not used)
> 
> This lets you have the XL-7 control both 16 KARMA channels and 16 PC
> software instrument channels at the same time.  It also lets the 
KARMA
> control either the PC or the XL-7.  The THRU button trick mentioned
> previously still works so the XL-7 and the KARMA can play together 
without
> recabling and the computer out of the picture.
> 
> What do you loose?  The KARMA can not be directly controlled by the 
PC.  All
> KARMA control will have to originate or pass through the XL-7.
> 
> Given how inexpensive USB MIDI interfaces are these days I would 
recommend
> adding an additional MIDI port to the PC and bringing in the XL-7 B 
output

> that way.  That would give you the most flexibility and power.
> 
> drk
> 
> www.delora.com/music
> www.mp3.com/zdrk
> drk.iuma.com

Thanks for all the input. I got things up and running. Still need to 
do some tweaking to the Karma, but those questions are for another 
group. Thanks again.
-Greg


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nifflas <nifflas@m...>" <nifflas@m...> 
wrote:
> I have the Emagic AMT-8 MIDI interface, but use it as midi router, 
> splitter and merger (at the same time). Sloves all the problems 
about 
> how to chain the gear together...
> 
> //Nifflas
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, drK <drk@d...> wrote:
> > On 12/17/02 3:33 PM, "Greg <golerage@y...>" <golerage@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > > Would it be better to seperate the two pieces of hardware and
> > > dedicate each to its own channel on the 2x2? Can the XL7 have
> > > multiple sources giving it commands?
> > > 
> > 
> > The XL-7 has only a single MIDI input so it can respond to at 
most 
> sixteen
> > external MIDI channels. These can originate from any combination 
of 
> the PC
> > or the KARMA when you are using the PC running your sequencer.
> > 
> > The 2x2 setup per my recommendation in the previous posy will 
work 
> quite
> > well to do what you are looking to do, and you will not be 
required 
> to
> > change cables.
> > 
> > the only advantage you could gain from adding any additional 
> hardware, or
> > changing the configuration would be to take advantage of the XL-
7's 
> 32
> > channel sequencing capabilities.  The current setup will at most 
> allow the
> > XL-7 to control only 16 channels of external MIDI, either on the 
PC 
> or in
> > the KARMA in any combination.  If you add an additional single 
> input MIDI
> > interface to your PC you could then send 32 channels to the PC 
> which could
> > be split between the KARMA (full 16) and software instruments.
> > 
> > An alternative would be the following configuration using the 
> single 2x2:
> > 
> > XL-7 MIDI OUT A -> MIDI SPORT IN A
> > XL-7 MIDI OUT B -> KARMA MIDI IN
> > KARMA MIDI OUT -> MIDI SPORT IN B
> > MIDI SPORT OUT B -> XL-7 MIDI IN
> > MIDI SPORT OUT A -> (not used)
> > 
> > This lets you have the XL-7 control both 16 KARMA channels and 16 
PC
> > software instrument channels at the same time.  It also lets the 
> KARMA
> > control either the PC or the XL-7.  The THRU button trick 
mentioned
> > previously still works so the XL-7 and the KARMA can play 
together 
> without
> > recabling and the computer out of the picture.
> > 
> > What do you loose?  The KARMA can not be directly controlled by 
the 
> PC.  All
> > KARMA control will have to originate or pass through the XL-7.
> > 
> > Given how inexpensive USB MIDI interfaces are these days I would 
> recommend
> > adding an additional MIDI port to the PC and bringing in the XL-7 
B 

> output
> > that way.  That would give you the most flexibility and power.
> > 
> > drk
> > 
> > www.delora.com/music
> > www.mp3.com/zdrk
> > drk.iuma.com