I own both synths and I tried that in the past,- my experience:
1.)
It isn´t possible to transfer any Matrix 1000 patches over to a Xpander/Matrix12 automatically by conversion or similar techniques
2.)
It is possible to re-program Matrix 1000 patches manually one-by-one because all the features of a Matrix 1000 voice are available in the Xpander also,- w/ one exception,- the continuous waveshaping ...
a)
by using your ear,- and ...
b)
by using your eyes,- if you have the luck to have both synths side-by side and analyze the structure of each patch of a Matrix 1000 w/ the help of a Matrix 1000 bankmanger/editor program ( I used C-Lab Explorer 1000 for Atari ST for that )
c)
by trying to find the Oberheim Xpander Bankloader by Jaques Isler (former Oberheim distributor for europe, the company was in Switzerland) for the Atari ST,- this program contains all the 1000 Matrix-1000 patches for the Xpander.
They sound a bit different but can be edited to be very closed and to sound better !
Very interesting then is layering of both synths which results in a "quasi" Matrix-12.
It gets a interesting note,- the Matrix-1000 is mono and all its voices in the center, while the Xpanders voices rotate in the stereo field,- and don´t forget to detune both synths against each other.
You can treat both synths w/ different time-modulating FX like chorus, flanger, pitch-.shifter and/or delay,- this is great for pads.
Also great, even if you layer both synths w/ the same patches, these sound slightly different because it´s different hardware,- and I almost liked layers of different synths more than layers of same tones and voices in the same machine,- this is fat, yes,- but only fat.
3.)
It´s much harder to re-programm Xpander patches for the Matrix-1000 because of less modulation routing, less LFOs and so on, - but it also works w/ some knowledge and assorted patches, but by far not all.
To do this, you have to analyze the patches in SINGLE MODE of the Xpander one-by-one and list the values of all the parameters for VCOs, FM/Lag, TrackX, VCF/VCA, ENVX, LFOX and RAMPX, the vibrato page,- then the modulation sources and destinations and their modulation amount,- lots of work for the 1st step.
2nd step would be to see what´s available in a Matrix-1000 voice and modulation matriss as also to realize a "new" parameter layout for each patch because some of the modulation sources in a Matrix-1000 have fixed destinations, which is not the case in a Xpander.
3rd step: key in the parameter values in that new layout ...
Then you´ll find out it´s sounding much different becasue a parameter value of, let´s say "31" doesn´t result in sonicaly the same on both synths :-(
4th step: re-adjust the parameter values by ear in a direct comparison of Matrix-1000 and Xpander until it sounds as identical as possible.
Solution 2c above is by far the best,- believe me ... :-)
PeWe
swisstony123456789 schrieb:
Hi all I was wondering if any one can tell me if this is possible and
if so, how would I go about it? I've got so many patchs on the matrix I
would love to use on the xpander and as they are roughly the same
family I thought it might be possible!?!?!?
Thanks in advance
Sean