Xpantastic!

Hi PeWe, 
Thanks for the excellent tips and sampling advice. I am saving this 
post for future reference. I do not have a lot of musical type 
PC software yet.  I am thinking about a MAC because it's the only new
computer that I an get an M12 librarian on.  We'll see.

Karl

--- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, PeWe <ha-pewe@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Karl !
> 
> Yes, if you sample your gear,- see the instrument you sample 
as "the 
> oscillator- the sound source" and the sampler as the instrument you 
use 
> later.
> A high quality sampler like Kontakt 3 p.ex., has a lot of 
modulators 
> like envelopes, lfos, filters, step sequencer, VCA as also FX 
including 
> amp models and so on.
> So, best is to sample all the patches you use the same way since 
decades 
> ( there are for sure some leads and pads as also basses) as the are 
and 
> w/ multisampling techniques. Decide for a compromize of count, 
lenght of 
> samples and memory usage.
> With a hi end sampler ( I have Halion and Kontakt ) which is 
running on 
> a computer, you don´t have to care on memory at all.
> Listen in which zone/range of a keyboard the selected patch you 
want to 
> sample sounds best and how you used it yourself on the original 
> instrument. Sample that range only but w/ as much velocity steps as 
> possible and possibly all the keys of that range separately.
> This is what Samplerobot automatically does and it´s doing more !!!
> Now you have your patch sampled as it is p.ex. ...
> 
> Next,- edit exactly this patch. Remove all the filter modulations 
and 
> eventually almost everything comparable what your sampler can do w/ 
the 
> resulting samples later,- but keep everything whats related to the 
> oscillators like fixed frequency and/or PWM modulation amounts, 
detune 
> of osc 1+2, FM/lag settings p.ex. or ring modulations if it is 
important 
> for the basic sound. Now sample the resulting sound at full 
velocity, 
> full open filter but no resonance (eventually several times w/ 
different 
> filter modes) at max level., now you get samples the way you can 
use the 
> modifiers of your sampler to a full potential later.
> 
> If your sampler does portamento, don´t sample it. If it does PWM to 
raw 
> wave samples, don´t sample PWM.
> Instead multisample the oscillator section w/ open filter but w/ 
only 1 
> Osc. switched on,- do this the 2nd time with the other Osc. 
switched on 
> and the 1st off, both w/ separate Pulse Widths settings but no 
> modulation. Do this w/ the OSCs not detuned against each other. 
Better 
> do a layer of both of these multisamples in your sampler later and 
> detune th layers against each other in the sampler.
> 
> Controllers and Midi settings of the synth to sample you can 
ignore,- 
> Samplerobot allows you to tell the program what the sampler shall 
do 
> later to your samples w/ midi controllers, vibrato included.
> 
> It´s a bit of a learning process and time consuming, but you can 
get 
> very intersting results which sound not like the original for sure 
but 
> sometimes also better and you can use many sounds of your beloved 
> vintage gear in modern DAWs without having the dinos connected all 
the 
> time, audio and midi wise, and without dealing w/ probs of midi and 
> external gear on your DAW.
> 
> Also it saves the live of your old machines because they aren´t 
always 
> running.
> 
> The biggest advantage of modern DAW usage isn´t virtual 
instruments, - 
> it´s advanced sampling, automation and total recall. Recording 
audio to 
> disk is nothing else than sampling.
> 
> Karl schrieb:
> >
> > --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:xpantastic%40yahoogroups.com>, PeWe <ha-pewe@> wrote:
> >
> > I know I could multisample this but a lot of my
> > patches were ambiant shifting kinds of things and use too much
> > memory. You probobly know this is also a problem with LFO rates 
also.
> > By the time you switch everything off. You are just sampling a 
pure
> > wavform.
> > So I scratched this Idea.
> >
>