Xpantastic!

Hi Takis,
> Does that mean that the DAC is faulty?
Could Be, What happens if you put the old one back in, And check 
it's calibration, from pin 6 of U815?

Karl 


--- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "takisdamaschis" 
<takisdamaschis@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Karl,
> I did the calibration procedure but unfortunately I can't get the 
DAC
> trimmed down to 0volts!It keeps showing 4v(pin 6)!
> Does that mean that the DAC is faulty?
> 
> --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "Karl" <shire03@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Takis, 
> > On page 34 of the Xpander service manual there is a DAC 
calibrtion 
> > procedure. A different chip would need a calibration.
> > What about the reference voltage? 
> > 
> > Karl
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "takisdamaschis" 
> > <takisdamaschis@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Karl,
> > > I just got the new DAC! It's an HS3140C.I installed it
> > > and.....nothing!Every test fails now instead of only some VCO's!
> > > My original DAC is an MP7614KN, are these two incompatible and 
if so
> > > why are they mentioned as both able to do the job?
> > > Furtermore is there anything else I should have done when I 
replaced
> > > the DAC that is not mentioned in the manual?
> > > Thanks,Takis.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "Karl" <shire03@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Takis,
> > > > I measured the D805 in mine: 6.95 Vdc. I notice it's a diode 
in a 
> > > > transistor package. This is a very accurate reference diode. 
It 
> > > > should read at least 6.9 Volts. Pin 1 is not used. I measured 
> > from 
> > > > The left side of R856 ( just below it) to the middle leg of 
the 
> > > > diode.  My schematics identify this as a 6.9 V Zener. If the 
one 
> > in 
> > > > yours shows a lower voltage than that, maybe this is causing 
the 
> > > > tuning errors.  The diode may not be bad, something maybe 
> > dragging it 
> > > > down. I would take U815 out (turn Off first), then measure it 
> > again. 
> > > > If you can't get 6.9V out of that ref, I would replace it.  
> > > > BTW about where is the adjustment trimmer pointing?
> > > > 
> > > > Karl
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "takisdamaschis" 
> > > > <takisdamaschis@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Karl,
> > > > > the voltmeter reads 6.38v!
> > > > > Takis.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "Karl" <shire03@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Takis,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What does the your voltmeter read when you measure the 
zener
> > > > (D805)?
> > > > > > I keep thinking it's something to do with this circuit.
> > > > > > I am going to open mine up and see what I get.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Karl
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "takisdamaschis" 
> > > > > > <takisdamaschis@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "Karl" <shire03@> 
wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Karl,
> > > > > > > done everything you pointed out,no improvements!
> > > > > > > Anything else you can think of before we go for the DAC?
> > > > > > > Thanks,Takis.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hi Takis,
> > > > > > > > > I also noticed that I get 3.79V at one of the pins 
of 
> > U815 
> > > > > > instead 
> > > > > > > > > of 4.0V(+/- .05V) as the service manual points out!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Okay, lets look at D805, A zener diode which provides 
the 
> > > > > > reference
> > > > > > > > for the DAC.Measure this with a good voltmeter, it 
should 
> > be 
> > > > > > 6.9V. 
> > > > > > > > Again, try reflowing the solder around this part and 
the 
> > ref 
> > > > > > circuit. 
> > > > > > > > If you have a service 
> > > > > > > > manual, Look at the circuit around U815 and reflow 
all 
> > the 
> > > > solder 
> > > > > > > > around this part and the resistors capacitors etc...
> > > > > > > > Try this and let me know.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Karl
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "takisdamaschis" 
> > > > > > > > <takisdamaschis@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Karl,
> > > > > > > > > I have gone and replaced all parts you suggested, 
re-
> > seated 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > dac
> > > > > > > > > and went over all solders!
> > > > > > > > > No improvement, I keep getting the same problem!
> > > > > > > > > I also noticed that I get 3.79V at one of the pins 
of 
> > U815 
> > > > > > instead 
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > 4.0V(+/- .05V) as the service manual points out!
> > > > > > > > > Anyway the good news is that I found a NOS dac 
($150) 
> > which 
> > > > I 
> > > > > > will 
> > > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > out as soon as it gets in(in a few days I hope).
> > > > > > > > > I'll let you know!
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,Takis.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "Karl" 
<shire03@> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Takis,
> > > > > > > > > > The other caps are Cx33 and Cx37 with x being 
> > 2,3,4,5,6,7 
> > > > for 
> > > > > > > > each 
> > > > > > > > > > voice respectivly. And Yes they are the same 
2.2uF 
> > 50V 
> > > > Make 
> > > > > > sure 
> > > > > > > > they 
> > > > > > > > > > are 50V rating. and correct polarity (You 
probobly 
> > knew 
> > > > that)
> > > > > > > > > > But before you replace those, try this.You are 
saying 
> > you 
> > > > are 
> > > > > > > > having 
> > > > > > > > > > problems with all the voices right?
> > > > > > > > > > This points to the main DAC/Tuming circuit as you 
> > have 
> > > > > > already 
> > > > > > > > > > guessed.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I would look closely at:
> > > > > > > > > >  U811           The DAC        
> > > > > > > > > >  U816,U805      Multiplexer    4051
> > > > > > > > > >  U812,U815,U813 Op Amps        TLO81,TLO84,TLO81
> > > > > > > > > >  U814           Analog Switch  4053 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Any of these parts failing could cause tuning 
> > problems 
> > > > like 
> > > > > > you 
> > > > > > > > > > describe.
> > > > > > > > > > Now, before you replace them carfully pull them 
from 
> > the 
> > > > > > sockets 
> > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > re-seat them. Sometimes corrosion on the 
socket/chip 
> > lead 
> > > > can 
> > > > > > > > cause 
> > > > > > > > > > a "not to good" connection. Also before I 
replaced 
> > them I 
> > > > > > would 
> > > > > > > > > > reflow the solder on the bottom of the board, as 
bad 
> > > > solder 
> > > > > > > > joints 
> > > > > > > > > > could also cause this.
> > > > > > > > > > If this does not work replace em. All except the 
DAC 
> > are 
> > > > > > readily 
> > > > > > > > > > available. I would wait till you replaced the 
other 
> > chips 
> > > > > > before 
> > > > > > > > you 
> > > > > > > > > > went searching for this DAC to see if any others 
are 
> > the 
> > > > > > cause. 
> > > > > > > > If 
> > > > > > > > > > one of the chips have failed, I would bet on the 
mux 
> > or 
> > > > > > analog 
> > > > > > > > switch.
> > > > > > > > > > It would not hurt to replace the capacitors I 
> > mentioned 
> > > > > > above, as 
> > > > > > > > > > they are probobly on their way out anyway.  
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Let Me Know How It Goes
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Karl
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In 
xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "takisdamaschis" 
> > > > > > > > > > <takisdamaschis@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Carl,
> > > > > > > > > > > yes I replaced all six Cx49 capacitors!
> > > > > > > > > > > What number are the other ones you're refering 
to?
> > Are 
> > > > they 
> > > > > > also 
> > > > > > > > > > 2.2uF?
> > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks,Takis.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "Karl" 
> > <shire03@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello takisdamaschis,
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > When you say output capacitors, are you 
talking 
> > about 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > > small 
> > > > > > > > > > 2.2uF
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cx49 at the edge of the voice board? There is 
one 
> > for 
> > > > > > each 
> > > > > > > > voice.
> > > > > > > > > > > > There is also one of these at the output of 
each 
> > VCO 
> > > > > > feeding 
> > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > VCF
> > > > > > > > > > > > If these go you can have tuning problems. 
Also, 
> > try 
> > > > > > resetting 
> > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > software.( hold sown clear and turn power On)
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Karl
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
> > xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "takisdamaschis" 
> > > > > > > > > > > > <takisdamaschis@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, my xpander seems to fail the 
VCO 
> > tune 
> > > > test 
> > > > > > > > > > randomly!some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > voices fail during one test and pass on the 
> > next! 
> > > > there 
> > > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > cosistancy on the voices that fail,it can 
be 
> > any 
> > > > one of 
> > > > > > > > them!
> > > > > > > > > > Some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > times(rarely) the vco test passes! I have 
the 
> > same 
> > > > > > problem 
> > > > > > > > > > sometimes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with the Resonance and VCF but not as often!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have totally rebuilt the power 
supply,changed 
> > the 
> > > > > > battery 
> > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > output
> > > > > > > > > > > > > bypass capacitors!All currents measure 
right so 
> > > > this is 
> > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > > voltage
> > > > > > > > > > > > > supply problem!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The only other part I can think of is the 
DAC 
> > or 
> > > > maybe 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > Timer?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts?
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