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Remote control of the xpander

2010-10-15 by stardent2000

Hello I'm new to the xpander (and synthesizers in general) and was wondering if someone could help with a little advice.

I have an evolution mks-149 that has lots of assignable knobs that i would like to map to various parameters in the xpander (i really dont like the encoders on the xpander, they take so many turns to get from 0 to 127, and I can hear them clicking loudly through my headphones as I tweak a sound). I am using cubase and it receives midi from the knobs as I turn them but then what? the xpander receives pitchbend and modulation from the wheels ok but how can I tell the xpander to take data from a knob and map that to the (say) resonance. Can somebody point me in the right direction on this?

I hope I'm not asking a dumb question but I find all this VERY confusing!
Thanks,
Nick

Re: Remote control of the xpander

2010-10-16 by envia94

Take a look at the Xpander MIDI Specs and Programming at
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xpantastic/files/Documents/

Maybe somebody could give you a more direct answer, but in general, it is also quite important to study a bit.

Tiitu

--- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "stardent2000" <nickw@...> wrote:
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> Hello I'm new to the xpander (and synthesizers in general) and was wondering if someone could help with a little advice.
> 
> I have an evolution mks-149 that has lots of assignable knobs that i would like to map to various parameters in the xpander (i really dont like the encoders on the xpander, they take so many turns to get from 0 to 127, and I can hear them clicking loudly through my headphones as I tweak a sound). I am using cubase and it receives midi from the knobs as I turn them but then what? the xpander receives pitchbend and modulation from the wheels ok but how can I tell the xpander to take data from a knob and map that to the (say) resonance. Can somebody point me in the right direction on this?
> 
> I hope I'm not asking a dumb question but I find all this VERY confusing!
> Thanks,
> Nick
>

Re: [xpantastic] Re: Remote control of the xpander

2010-10-16 by Mel Steinberg

There's a remote control program on this page for the Peavey 1600/1600X MIDI controller > Xpander, and Resonance IS one of the assignments, so it seems to be doable.

http://www.defectiverecords.com/pc1600/pc1600.html

/mel

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From: envia94 <tares@...>
Subject: [xpantastic] Re: Remote control of the xpander
To: xpantastic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 7:56 AM







 



  


    
      
      
      Take a look at the Xpander MIDI Specs and Programming at

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xpantastic/files/Documents/



Maybe somebody could give you a more direct answer, but in general, it is also quite important to study a bit.



Tiitu



--- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "stardent2000" <nickw@...> wrote:
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> Hello I'm new to the xpander (and synthesizers in general) and was wondering if someone could help with a little advice.

> 

> I have an evolution mks-149 that has lots of assignable knobs that i would like to map to various parameters in the xpander (i really dont like the encoders on the xpander, they take so many turns to get from 0 to 127, and I can hear them clicking loudly through my headphones as I tweak a sound). I am using cubase and it receives midi from the knobs as I turn them but then what? the xpander receives pitchbend and modulation from the wheels ok but how can I tell the xpander to take data from a knob and map that to the (say) resonance. Can somebody point me in the right direction on this?

> 

> I hope I'm not asking a dumb question but I find all this VERY confusing!

> Thanks,

> Nick

>

Re: Remote control of the xpander

2010-10-17 by baumont987

1) The easy way: Use Pedal 1 or 2 as modulation sources:
Go to Master Page/Midi/Ctrl and assign a control change number to Pedal 1 or Pedal 2.
In your tone, set Pedal 1 or 2 as modulation source of your parameter.
The bad news is that you'll have to set the modulation sources for each of your single patch.

2) The "geeky" way: Transform Control Changes messages to SysEx and send them to Xpander:
On the Xpander, to change a parameter in SysEx, you first need to send a page select, and then a parameter change:
ex:
page select: F0 10 02 0B 20 00 F7 (VCO1, subpage 0)
param change: F0 10 02 0A 00 08 00 00 00 63 00 F7 (bottom button...)

See the OberheimXpanderMidiSpec document in the file section of the group for details.
You don't need to resend a page select for the next param if it is still in the same page/subpage than the previous one.
Page/subpage select takes a lot of time to be taken in account by the Xpander.

So what you have to do is to have a software (Midi-OX, Bome's MIDI Translator) or device panel/mixermap(in Cubase for example)... on your PC that transforms a control change value into this kind of SysEx messages and send them to the Xpander.

The good news: Once you've setup this "CC# to SysEx" chain, it will work on every single patch without modifying them. You can even control parameters that have no free modulation sources.
The bad news: you have to read the Xpander MIDI spec and understand it before doing anything ;)

Hope this helps,
/Greg.


--- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "stardent2000" <nickw@...> wrote:
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> Hello I'm new to the xpander (and synthesizers in general) and was wondering if someone could help with a little advice.
> 
> I have an evolution mks-149 that has lots of assignable knobs that i would like to map to various parameters in the xpander (i really dont like the encoders on the xpander, they take so many turns to get from 0 to 127, and I can hear them clicking loudly through my headphones as I tweak a sound). I am using cubase and it receives midi from the knobs as I turn them but then what? the xpander receives pitchbend and modulation from the wheels ok but how can I tell the xpander to take data from a knob and map that to the (say) resonance. Can somebody point me in the right direction on this?
> 
> I hope I'm not asking a dumb question but I find all this VERY confusing!
> Thanks,
> Nick
>

Re: Remote control of the xpander

2010-10-18 by stardent2000

Wow thanks for your reply.
I'll look into that, meanwhile this may also help me...


http://www.cykong.com/CubaseSX/SXpanels-Tips4.htm

Nick

--- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "baumont987" <geebeex@...> wrote:
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> 
> 
> 
> 1) The easy way: Use Pedal 1 or 2 as modulation sources:
> Go to Master Page/Midi/Ctrl and assign a control change number to Pedal 1 or Pedal 2.
> In your tone, set Pedal 1 or 2 as modulation source of your parameter.
> The bad news is that you'll have to set the modulation sources for each of your single patch.
> 
> 2) The "geeky" way: Transform Control Changes messages to SysEx and send them to Xpander:
> On the Xpander, to change a parameter in SysEx, you first need to send a page select, and then a parameter change:
> ex:
> page select: F0 10 02 0B 20 00 F7 (VCO1, subpage 0)
> param change: F0 10 02 0A 00 08 00 00 00 63 00 F7 (bottom button...)
> 
> See the OberheimXpanderMidiSpec document in the file section of the group for details.
> You don't need to resend a page select for the next param if it is still in the same page/subpage than the previous one.
> Page/subpage select takes a lot of time to be taken in account by the Xpander.
> 
> So what you have to do is to have a software (Midi-OX, Bome's MIDI Translator) or device panel/mixermap(in Cubase for example)... on your PC that transforms a control change value into this kind of SysEx messages and send them to the Xpander.
> 
> The good news: Once you've setup this "CC# to SysEx" chain, it will work on every single patch without modifying them. You can even control parameters that have no free modulation sources.
> The bad news: you have to read the Xpander MIDI spec and understand it before doing anything ;)
> 
> Hope this helps,
> /Greg.
> 
> 
> --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, "stardent2000" <nickw@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello I'm new to the xpander (and synthesizers in general) and was wondering if someone could help with a little advice.
> > 
> > I have an evolution mks-149 that has lots of assignable knobs that i would like to map to various parameters in the xpander (i really dont like the encoders on the xpander, they take so many turns to get from 0 to 127, and I can hear them clicking loudly through my headphones as I tweak a sound). I am using cubase and it receives midi from the knobs as I turn them but then what? the xpander receives pitchbend and modulation from the wheels ok but how can I tell the xpander to take data from a knob and map that to the (say) resonance. Can somebody point me in the right direction on this?
> > 
> > I hope I'm not asking a dumb question but I find all this VERY confusing!
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
> >
>

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