I'm not sure I agree with everything Johan says, but he makes one good point - even if you can afford a full system, getting a minimal module set first, in a full-size cabinet, makes a lot of sense. It gives you the chance to learn the basics, and will definitely help you in deciding what modules you need for expansion. If you fill up your cabinet immediately, you may well find that you're led in a direction where you need more of a particular module, or less of another, but don't have room to expand. That means that you have to remove or sell modules to make space for new ones. That's what I had to do - I bought a fully-populated 18-space cabinet, and after a few weeks of experimentation, realized that I needed another oscillator. I had to lose a 256e, a very useful module, to make space. So, leaving some room to grow is a good idea. > The vcs3 is organic by nature, unstable and to a certain degree > unpredictable given the patch you set up is complex enough. The 200e > is > different, in many respects. Buchla modulars 200 and after differs > from > other modulars in that you do a lot of the timbre design directly on > the > oscillator. Audio rate FM at high frequencies on the 200e is not as > good as > in analog synths to be honest. But there are so many other things > that are > superior with the 200e that i don't mind so much. For getting > animated, > "living" sounds the 266e Source of uncertainty comes handy, this is > how you > do organic sounds in the 200e. It is a great module, i have one, and > i am > planning to get a second one. The ARF is great, it can be used in so > many > ways, last night i used it for sequencing sound movement in > quadraphonic > space at a concert. 227e is another favourite of mine. > Last year i performed in a mine. I played very loud and one section > of the > piece was kind of like a bass drone, 261e's with timbre shifts > controlled by > a slow ARF sequence some stages with lag, some stepped. That was a f- > ing > physical experience that proved it can do decent bass sounds :) But no > illusions. The 200e invites to "'electronic' (chirpy, bleepy, > machine-y, > high-frequency-y...)" kind of sounds rather than smooth basslines. > It is a > musical instrument not a swiss army knife. > For a 12-panel system i'd suggest: > > 261e x 2, 281e, 292e, 227e, 266e, 225e > Maybe buy this set first and get used to it, then you'll know better > what > you need to complete with. The rest depends on what kind of stuff > you'd like > to do with it. Why no 291e initially? While it is a great module, > filters > are not essential on the 200e IMO since the 261e offers so many sonic > possibilities that the filters in the 292e often is quite enough. > > good luck! > Johan > > 2008/2/11, cellabbee <da108@telus.net>: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am feeling pretty compelled towards this Buchla box -- if I bite I > > think I can manage to obtain a mostly full 12-panel cabinet, and > > without doubt 2 of the panels will be occupied by the arbitrary > > function generator I hear such amazing things about. > > > > I've read most of the posted messages, which have been helpful, but > > have a general concern, which is: > > > > --- alot of the 200e sounds I hear in files and videos online are > very > > 'electronic' (chirpy, bleepy, machine-y, high-frequency-y...) but > I am > > inclined to make more 'natural' and 'organic' sounding noises. I had > > some experience with a VCS3 many years back and was able to get > sounds > > of this latter type. > > > > So the question is -- does the 200e have this capacity? Maybe I just > > am asking folks to confirm, or not, that the 200e can produce pretty > > much any sound if one works at it and therefore I shouldn't worry. > > > > And if so --- any tips on modules that might be helpful in > supporting > > my sound goals, and/or what modules might I not need so much? Or > might > > it even be a matter of what happens to the sound once it leaves the > > 200e (EQ-ing, reverb, etc...) and to whatever degree that is the > case, > > then what recommendations does anyone have for further processing? > > > > Sorry to throw all this out at once! > > > > thanks -- dimitrios > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Richard Lainhart http://www.otownmedia.com http://www.downloadplatform.com/richard_lainhart http://www.airglowmusic.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [200e] considering 200e acquisition- some q's
2008-02-11 by Richard Lainhart
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