200e

I just noticed that the 259e has been removed from the modules section 
at buchla.com as well as in the price list. Is it gone for good?

At 10:53 PM +0000 10/12/06, imabadbadkat96 wrote:
>I just noticed that the 259e has been removed from the modules section
>at buchla.com as well as in the price list. Is it gone for good?

The 249e is also missing.

-C

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Looks like the 249e might be gone as well.   Both modules have been  
removed from the
systems on the price list.   I bet there aren't as many orders for  
them now that the 261e and
250e came out.   I haven't got my hands on either of the DARFs yet to  
prefer one over the
other but I do like the 259e just as much as the 261e.  Maybe more...



On Oct 12, 2006, at 3:53 PM, imabadbadkat96 wrote:

> I just noticed that the 259e has been removed from the modules section
> at buchla.com as well as in the price list. Is it gone for good?
>
>
> 



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>The 249e is also missing.

Well, crap. The 249e was the centerpiece of the system I intend to 
purchase. Knobs are nice, but the 249e has so much more functionality 
than the 250e in the same space, for me at least.
-- 


Richard Lainhart
O-Town Media
rlainhart@otownmedia.com
http://www.otownmedia.com

I've spent a great deal of time with both the 249e and the 250e.. I prefer the 250e, its more like the original MARF from the 70's.. the 249e is a great concept but overly complex and no fun to program... 250e has functionality besides the knobs that the 249e doesnt have...
 
 -r
 
 

Richard Lainhart <rlainhart@otownmedia.com> wrote:                                  >The 249e is also missing.
 
 Well, crap. The 249e was the centerpiece of the system I intend to 
 purchase. Knobs are nice, but the 249e has so much more functionality 
 than the 250e in the same space, for me at least.
 -- 
 
 Richard Lainhart
 O-Town Media
 rlainhart@otownmedia.com
 http://www.otownmedia.com
 
     
                       

 		
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I think it is unfortunate that B & A discontinued the 249e and the 
259e, but, I'm sure they have good reasons.

While I agree that the learning curve for the 249e is steep, I 
disagree that it is difficult to program.  It just takes a little 
extra dedication.  The results are mind blowing.  Because of the lack 
of knobs, it is much better as a studio device than the performance 
minded 250e.  Plus, having 4 rows of CV is quite nice.  I must admit 
that I have yet to play a 250e.  That said, I will admit that the 
software is still a little buggy in the 249e - at least the software 
in the module I have.  I'm guessing that B & A will not be updating 
beyond the current rev listed on their site.

I think it a true shame that the 259e has been abandoned.  I 
personally think the module is amazing.  Yes, it has it's quirks, but 
it capable of timbres and animated responses unavailable with any 
other module out there - some of the rosin bow timbres are my 
favorites.  As all Buchla modules, it just takes some learning and 
getting used to.  But, the I guess this whole "aliasing" thing drove 
a stake in it's heart.

I have appreciated the forward vision of the 200e modules rather than 
the retro aspects and I hope that this is not the beginning of the 
end for the 200e series.

Matthew


--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "©" <echo7even@...> wrote:
>
> I've spent a great deal of time with both the 249e and the 250e.. I 
prefer the 250e, its more like the original MARF from the 70's.. the 
249e is a great concept but overly complex and no fun to program... 
250e has functionality besides the knobs that the 249e doesnt have...
>  
>  -r

hi everyone, a couple things:

- we're not taking orders for either of these modules right now (and here
are good reasons). we will fill orders on the waitlist. i can't say if we
will make more of them ever.

- if you were considering ordering a 249, i would not dismiss the 250. it
lacks some functions but adds other important ones: 32x stationary knob
bank, 16x sample and hold, new voltage integration uses... if you miss the
259's probability fields, it is possible to program the same behaviors with
a 250 and 266 combo.



eb



On 10/14/06, mritenburg <mritenburg@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   I think it is unfortunate that B & A discontinued the 249e and the
> 259e, but, I'm sure they have good reasons.
>
> While I agree that the learning curve for the 249e is steep, I
> disagree that it is difficult to program. It just takes a little
> extra dedication. The results are mind blowing. Because of the lack
> of knobs, it is much better as a studio device than the performance
> minded 250e. Plus, having 4 rows of CV is quite nice. I must admit
> that I have yet to play a 250e. That said, I will admit that the
> software is still a little buggy in the 249e - at least the software
> in the module I have. I'm guessing that B & A will not be updating
> beyond the current rev listed on their site.
>
> I think it a true shame that the 259e has been abandoned. I
> personally think the module is amazing. Yes, it has it's quirks, but
> it capable of timbres and animated responses unavailable with any
> other module out there - some of the rosin bow timbres are my
> favorites. As all Buchla modules, it just takes some learning and
> getting used to. But, the I guess this whole "aliasing" thing drove
> a stake in it's heart.
>
> I have appreciated the forward vision of the 200e modules rather than
> the retro aspects and I hope that this is not the beginning of the
> end for the 200e series.
>
> Matthew
>
> --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com <200e%40yahoogroups.com>, "(c)" <echo7even@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I've spent a great deal of time with both the 249e and the 250e.. I
> prefer the 250e, its more like the original MARF from the 70's.. the
> 249e is a great concept but overly complex and no fun to program...
> 250e has functionality besides the knobs that the 249e doesnt have...
> >
> > -r
>
>  
>


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I agree with Rick. Multiple output modules for one set of data was a 
stroke of genius. Like Star Wars, the later incarnations lost that 
1970s magic.


) ..  I wish it had been designed as a modular sequencer with an input 
module that could the chained to several output modules so you could 
stack sequences.. . I came to the table with that idea too late.. or 
perhaps Don just didnt like it.. 

>  
>  -rick
>

I, too, enjoy the 249e and concur that it just takes a little getting used to
but once you're there it is a breeze to program.

Any chance more folks could post short samples of what they are doing 
with the 200e?  Love to hear more, especially the difference b/w 259e (which
I love) and the 261e (which I don't have at the moment).



mritenburg <mritenburg@yahoo.com> wrote:                                  I think it is unfortunate that B & A discontinued the 249e and the 
 259e, but, I'm sure they have good reasons.
 
 While I agree that the learning curve for the 249e is steep, I 
 disagree that it is difficult to program.  It just takes a little 
 extra dedication.  The results are mind blowing.  Because of the lack 
 of knobs, it is much better as a studio device than the performance 
 minded 250e.  Plus, having 4 rows of CV is quite nice.  I must admit 
 that I have yet to play a 250e.  That said, I will admit that the 
 software is still a little buggy in the 249e - at least the software 
 in the module I have.  I'm guessing that B & A will not be updating 
 beyond the current rev listed on their site.
 
 I think it a true shame that the 259e has been abandoned.  I 
 personally think the module is amazing.  Yes, it has it's quirks, but 
 it capable of timbres and animated responses unavailable with any 
 other module out there - some of the rosin bow timbres are my 
 favorites.  As all Buchla modules, it just takes some learning and 
 getting used to.  But, the I guess this whole "aliasing" thing drove 
 a stake in it's heart.
 
 I have appreciated the forward vision of the 200e modules rather than 
 the retro aspects and I hope that this is not the beginning of the 
 end for the 200e series.
 
 Matthew
 
 --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "©" <echo7even@...> wrote:
 >
 > I've spent a great deal of time with both the 249e and the 250e.. I 
 prefer the 250e, its more like the original MARF from the 70's.. the 
 249e is a great concept but overly complex and no fun to program... 
 250e has functionality besides the knobs that the 249e doesnt have...
 >  
 >  -r
 
 
     
                       

 		
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> While I agree that the learning curve for the 249e is steep, I 
 > disagree that it is difficult to program.
 
 I said "no fun" not difficult.. I am comparing the enjoyment factor the that of playing the original 248-1602 (or 3206) as well as the 250e...which are among the most interesting modules I've ever got my hands on.
 
 the fact that you have to step thru pages on the 249e to get to parameters and then have a single encoder to input values is too early 80's yamaha to me... I prefer the immediacy of knobs and sliders for the kind of music I make.  The 249e does have some neat features but those that I enjoy the most can be recreated with combinations of other modules...  I guess the main loss is the functional density department.. as well as the X Y location inputs and of course you cant have one row of LEDs chase the other... ;)
 
 try out the 250e.. the Fix Input feature is excellent and very useful (not found on the 249e) .. the 250e is more along the lines of the 248 only with a single output section.. I wish it had been designed as a modular sequencer with an input module that could the chained to several output modules so you could stack sequences.. . I came to the table with that idea too late.. or perhaps Don just didnt like it.. 
 
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sorry, i made mistakes, long day...

- the 250 freeze button performs S&H x 4 inputs x 16 stages. this is
awesomely useful even without a pulse input.

- something very much like the probability fields in the 249 can be
programmed with the 250 and the lower section of the 266. try it!

- keep up the feedback. it is not impossible to make more of these,
especially the 259. i love that module, because i love crazy extreme digital
sounds. these very same sounds have been bad-mouthed a lot in the press, so
if you enjoy them, let us know.

- the 249 is a beast to assemble, and we've had few enough orders that it's
hard to justify continuing firmware support for it (a lot of work would be
needed to really root out all the bugs.)



e



>
>
>
> On 10/14/06, mritenburg <mritenburg@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >   I think it is unfortunate that B & A discontinued the 249e and the
> > 259e, but, I'm sure they have good reasons.
> >
> > While I agree that the learning curve for the 249e is steep, I
> > disagree that it is difficult to program. It just takes a little
> > extra dedication. The results are mind blowing. Because of the lack
> > of knobs, it is much better as a studio device than the performance
> > minded 250e. Plus, having 4 rows of CV is quite nice. I must admit
> > that I have yet to play a 250e. That said, I will admit that the
> > software is still a little buggy in the 249e - at least the software
> > in the module I have. I'm guessing that B & A will not be updating
> > beyond the current rev listed on their site.
> >
> > I think it a true shame that the 259e has been abandoned. I
> > personally think the module is amazing. Yes, it has it's quirks, but
> > it capable of timbres and animated responses unavailable with any
> > other module out there - some of the rosin bow timbres are my
> > favorites. As all Buchla modules, it just takes some learning and
> > getting used to. But, the I guess this whole "aliasing" thing drove
> > a stake in it's heart.
> >
> > I have appreciated the forward vision of the 200e modules rather than
> > the retro aspects and I hope that this is not the beginning of the
> > end for the 200e series.
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> > --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com <200e%40yahoogroups.com>, "(c)"
> > <echo7even@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've spent a great deal of time with both the 249e and the 250e.. I
> > prefer the 250e, its more like the original MARF from the 70's.. the
> > 249e is a great concept but overly complex and no fun to program...
> > 250e has functionality besides the knobs that the 249e doesnt have...
> > >
> > > -r
> >
> >  
> >
>
>


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In my opinion the 259e is a very good complement to the 261e. I think it will
be missed.

The 259e sure can be harshly digital sounding but it can be very sweet too,
it a way the 261e can't. A wavetable editing feature would make it even more
attractive. The audio rate FM quality could perhaps be increased with better
AD conversion and/or internal processor.

259eb ?

Johan

2006/10/15, ezra buchla <ezra.buchla@gmail.com>:

> sorry, i made mistakes, long day...
>
> - the 250 freeze button performs S&H x 4 inputs x 16 stages. this is
> awesomely useful even without a pulse input.
>
> - something very much like the probability fields in the 249 can be
> programmed with the 250 and the lower section of the 266. try it!
>
> - keep up the feedback. it is not impossible to make more of these,
> especially the 259. i love that module, because i love crazy extreme digital
> sounds. these very same sounds have been bad-mouthed a lot in the press, so
> if you enjoy them, let us know.
>
> - the 249 is a beast to assemble, and we've had few enough orders that it's
> hard to justify continuing firmware support for it (a lot of work would be
> needed to really root out all the bugs.)
>
>
>
> e
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/14/06, mritenburg <mritenburg@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >   I think it is unfortunate that B & A discontinued the 249e and the
> > > 259e, but, I'm sure they have good reasons.
> > >
> > > While I agree that the learning curve for the 249e is steep, I
> > > disagree that it is difficult to program. It just takes a little
> > > extra dedication. The results are mind blowing. Because of the lack
> > > of knobs, it is much better as a studio device than the performance
> > > minded 250e. Plus, having 4 rows of CV is quite nice. I must admit
> > > that I have yet to play a 250e. That said, I will admit that the
> > > software is still a little buggy in the 249e - at least the software
> > > in the module I have. I'm guessing that B & A will not be updating
> > > beyond the current rev listed on their site.
> > >
> > > I think it a true shame that the 259e has been abandoned. I
> > > personally think the module is amazing. Yes, it has it's quirks, but
> > > it capable of timbres and animated responses unavailable with any
> > > other module out there - some of the rosin bow timbres are my
> > > favorites. As all Buchla modules, it just takes some learning and
> > > getting used to. But, the I guess this whole "aliasing" thing drove
> > > a stake in it's heart.
> > >
> > > I have appreciated the forward vision of the 200e modules rather than
> > > the retro aspects and I hope that this is not the beginning of the
> > > end for the 200e series.
> > >
> > > Matthew
> > >
> > > --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com <200e%40yahoogroups.com>, "(c)"
> > > <echo7even@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've spent a great deal of time with both the 249e and the 250e.. I
> > > prefer the 250e, its more like the original MARF from the 70's.. the
> > > 249e is a great concept but overly complex and no fun to program...
> > > 250e has functionality besides the knobs that the 249e doesnt have...
> > > >
> > > > -r
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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