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I'm looking for a AN1x, I have a couple used deals lines up with some people
online but I was just curious if anyplace was still blowing them out for
around $500.


eric

The following post appeared on the AN1x forum at Yahoo this week:

"ust wanted to pass this along to those of you who don't already have an
AN, but can't find
 one used. Brook Mays in Dallas has them new and in stock. The list they
are trying to sell
 them for is $999 (joke), but I spoke w/ the salesperson and he said
they could go as low as
 $700 if anybody here is interested. The AN never sold well in Dallas so
they have extra
 stock. If you are interested call Glenn Palmer @ (214) 631-0923 or
1-800-442-7680. He's a
 good guy and know his stuff. Cheers. "

I've noticed one or two posted around $500 in the classifieds at
Sonicstate (or was it Harmony-Central?)  

regards,
jondl

Aireq wrote:

> 
> From: "Aireq" <aireq@...>
> 
> I'm looking for a AN1x, I have a couple used deals lines up with some people
> online but I was just curious if anyplace was still blowing them out for
> around $500.
> 
> eric
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> From: jondl <jondl@...>
>
> The following post appeared on the AN1x forum at Yahoo this week:
>
> The list they
> are trying to sell
>  them for is $999 (joke), but I spoke w/ the salesperson and he said
> they could go as low as
>  $700 if anybody here is interested.

$700 is still a joke. $500 is the price for this unit, beautiful as it may
be.

- Peter

Yeah I know. I've got a couple deals lined up right now. THe best I have is
450 + 25 ship. But I'd just rather be dealing with a company then send
someone a M/O for 475 and hope they send it.

eric

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From: "Peter Korsten" <peterk@...>

> From: jondl <jondl@...>
>
> The following post appeared on the AN1x forum at Yahoo this week:
>
> The list they
> are trying to sell
>  them for is $999 (joke), but I spoke w/ the salesperson and he said
> they could go as low as
>  $700 if anybody here is interested.

$700 is still a joke. $500 is the price for this unit, beautiful as it may
be.

- Peter


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If you're lucky you can still find them somewhere,
what i can advice you is to call as many musicstores as you can find
and ask them if they still have any.. that's the way i got mine :) for $500 :)


Aireq wrote:

> From: "Aireq" <aireq@...>
>
> I'm looking for a AN1x, I have a couple used deals lines up with some people
> online but I was just curious if anyplace was still blowing them out for
> around $500.
>
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Hi, I've recently moved from Australia to California and would like 
to buy another AN1x synth (I left my one at home) However I do not 
know much about the differences with power supplies between the USA 
and Australia (we use 220 volt wiring)

Would an AN1x bought here work there if I changed the power supply 
box?

And if I brought my synth over here would I just buy a local power 
supply box? Perhaps a Yamaha product?

I guess I want to know if the AN1x would accept the differnt power 
supply?

Regards, Liam

retrosynths wrote:
> Hi, I've recently moved from Australia to California and would like 
> to buy another AN1x synth (I left my one at home) However I do not 
> know much about the differences with power supplies between the USA 
> and Australia (we use 220 volt wiring)
> 
> Would an AN1x bought here work there if I changed the power supply 
> box?
> 
> And if I brought my synth over here would I just buy a local power 
> supply box? Perhaps a Yamaha product?
> 
> I guess I want to know if the AN1x would accept the differnt power 
> supply?

One of the few advantages of an external power supply is that you can 
easily exchange it. So if you want to play it safe, get an official 
Yamaha US/Canadian power supply for your AN1x, and otherwise esteemed 
member and all round guru Bruce may have a word of advice.

- Peter

As far as I know, the only important things with a power supply that supplies DC voltage to a piece of equipment is:

FOR DC VOLTAGE SUPPLIES
=============================
1) That the voltage is correct, rated as "v" as in "9v" equals 9 volts DC.

2) That the "pinout" is correct (i.e. that the "-" is on the inside and the "+" is on the outside of the connector or vice versa.

3) That the power supply is rated to supply the amperage (in some units rated in micro amps...the symbol for "micro" looks like  a "u" with the stem going down a little more.

Points 1-3 are almost always found in the specs for the devices, and usually at the plug on the unit.

4) That the supply is "clean". Which means how much variance or "ripple" there is in the voltage. This shouldn't be an issue with any decent power supply...ripple is just how much (since it is converting from AC line in to DC voltage the nature of the conversion can make the output DC voltage "flutter" a little from some value above...looks like waves on an oscilliscope) it varies over time from the rated voltage.
Unless you have an oscilliscope there is no way to check this, and I am not sure it is even that big a deal. Usually the input on the unit will have what they call a "zener diode" on the input DC voltage that keeps it at least at the nominal value. I only mention this, but really it isn't an issue.

All the above points are general. Many manufacturers warn about not using any except THEIR own power supplies which cost a bit more because they authorize them for use. The unit doesn't care one whit as long as it gets the proper supply voltage, with the proper polarization, and that can handle the load (ampere rating). On the other hand, a cheapie may go overvolt (theoretically) or breakdown....


There are other "wall warts" for some units that take AC power but they are less complex and polarity probably is not an issue with them.

hope this helps.

Jim

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"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, 
but not in practice."
====================================================

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Peter Korsten" <peterk@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] Power Supply


> retrosynths wrote:
> > Hi, I've recently moved from Australia to California and would like 
> > to buy another AN1x synth (I left my one at home) However I do not 
> > know much about the differences with power supplies between the USA 
> > and Australia (we use 220 volt wiring)
> > 
> > Would an AN1x bought here work there if I changed the power supply 
> > box?
> > 
> > And if I brought my synth over here would I just buy a local power 
> > supply box? Perhaps a Yamaha product?
> > 
> > I guess I want to know if the AN1x would accept the differnt power 
> > supply?
> 
> One of the few advantages of an external power supply is that you can 
> easily exchange it. So if you want to play it safe, get an official 
> Yamaha US/Canadian power supply for your AN1x, and otherwise esteemed 
> member and all round guru Bruce may have a word of advice.
> 
> - Peter
> 
> 
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Oh yeah...there was one more thing...

That the connector fits correctly to the plug. I just bought a Tascam GT-1 (GREAT item....it is a portable CD player, with guitar connector (could use with keyboard too) that allows one to loop and even slow down or change pitch on a song and play along. Great for practice and for learning fast leads, etc.

Anyway, it came with a generic DC adapter, one of those you can configure (it's really smart to have a couple of these around at all times...extra) for the voltage, pinout, and plug type. I set the volts on the wall wart to 9v., and took what I thought was the correct plug, but later on I found out that even though it "fit"...and it supplied the power and worked, it was one size too big so it wasn't making good solid contact. No harm was done, and I changed it out for the next size smaller jack and it worked fine.

Just a small, obvious point.

Jim
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             Check out my original music at 
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/jackermusic.htm

"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, 
but not in practice."
====================================================

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "James Acker" <jacker@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] Power Supply


> As far as I know, the only important things with a power supply that supplies DC voltage to a piece of equipment is:
> 
> FOR DC VOLTAGE SUPPLIES
> =============================
> 1) That the voltage is correct, rated as "v" as in "9v" equals 9 volts DC.
> 
> 2) That the "pinout" is correct (i.e. that the "-" is on the inside and the "+" is on the outside of the connector or vice versa.
> 
> 3) That the power supply is rated to supply the amperage (in some units rated in micro amps...the symbol for "micro" looks like  a "u" with the stem going down a little more.
> 
> Points 1-3 are almost always found in the specs for the devices, and usually at the plug on the unit.
> 
> 4) That the supply is "clean". Which means how much variance or "ripple" there is in the voltage. This shouldn't be an issue with any decent power supply...ripple is just how much (since it is converting from AC line in to DC voltage the nature of the conversion can make the output DC voltage "flutter" a little from some value above...looks like waves on an oscilliscope) it varies over time from the rated voltage.
> Unless you have an oscilliscope there is no way to check this, and I am not sure it is even that big a deal. Usually the input on the unit will have what they call a "zener diode" on the input DC voltage that keeps it at least at the nominal value. I only mention this, but really it isn't an issue.
> 
> All the above points are general. Many manufacturers warn about not using any except THEIR own power supplies which cost a bit more because they authorize them for use. The unit doesn't care one whit as long as it gets the proper supply voltage, with the proper polarization, and that can handle the load (ampere rating). On the other hand, a cheapie may go overvolt (theoretically) or breakdown....
> 
> 
> There are other "wall warts" for some units that take AC power but they are less complex and polarity probably is not an issue with them.
> 
> hope this helps.
> 
> Jim
> 
> ====================================================
>              Check out my original music at 
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/jackermusic.htm
> 
> "In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, 
> but not in practice."
> ====================================================
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Korsten" <peterk@...>
> To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] Power Supply
> 
> 
> > retrosynths wrote:
> > > Hi, I've recently moved from Australia to California and would like 
> > > to buy another AN1x synth (I left my one at home) However I do not 
> > > know much about the differences with power supplies between the USA 
> > > and Australia (we use 220 volt wiring)
> > > 
> > > Would an AN1x bought here work there if I changed the power supply 
> > > box?
> > > 
> > > And if I brought my synth over here would I just buy a local power 
> > > supply box? Perhaps a Yamaha product?
> > > 
> > > I guess I want to know if the AN1x would accept the differnt power 
> > > supply?
> > 
> > One of the few advantages of an external power supply is that you can 
> > easily exchange it. So if you want to play it safe, get an official 
> > Yamaha US/Canadian power supply for your AN1x, and otherwise esteemed 
> > member and all round guru Bruce may have a word of advice.
> > 
> > - Peter
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "James Acker" <jacker@o...> wrote:
> Oh yeah...there was one more thing...
> 

Would you PLEASE edit your posts rather than repost the entire thread.

Thank you.

Jon

Hello all,
	I must say that I have had some serious problems running Yamaha gear
off other brand power supplies. I've got other gear that works on off
brand stuff fine, but not my Yamaha gear. These problems show up as a
really nasty hum and a bad connection to the keyboard. Both are really
irritating.  The Yamaha power supply maybe isn't as cheap as an off
brand one, but I lost my patience with those cheap things a long while
back and I've never regretted it.  I've seen more lousy sound problems
generated by cheap power supplies than I can throw a stick at... Of
course, I have also picked up some sweet deals on gear people sold due
to problems that were completely coming from the cheap power supply. (I
got a mint Pc1600x for like $120 from a store on the web and the power
supply was totally wrong for it - a new one from Peavey completely cured
this machine where it was functionally useless when it arrived.  If the
guy had just gotten the right supply, he'd probably have never sold it,
or at least gotten more for it, but it didn't work worth a damn on that
one it came with.  The moral is - if it is acting weird - check the
power supply!  Just because the display comes on doesn't mean it's got
enough juice to run right.)  These machines are very sensitive to power
and if it isn't getting the proper clean DC that it is designed to run
on you can fry stuff or get these other stupid problems. Why cripple an
excellent instrument with a cheap piece of junk to save a couple of
bucks? I've heard several stories of people actually killing their
boards when their cheap supply died on them.  That suddenly becomes a
VERY expensive power supply.  Spend the extra $5 or $8 or so.  I've had
four Yamaha boxes and I've never had one of their power supplies die on
me, but I might be just lucky.  Don't know.  One thing is for sure - it
WILL work right on your AN1x and it will fit.
	My An1x is running (in the US) on a standard Yamaha PA-3B power
supply.  I know a lot of people have the attitude that they can save a
few bucks and there's no difference.  Most of the time probably there
isn't, but my personal experience with 4 Yamaha synths leads me to
believe that there is something different with their power supplies -
maybe a voltage regulator in there somewhere, or maybe it isn't exactly
9 volts - who knows?  I'm not an electronics wiz.  One thing is certain,
I'm too old to deal with that kind of sonic chaos for the cost of a
Mcburger meal...  
	Sorry about the rant...  I hate paying more than I have to for stuff,
and believe me I know what it is to be tight on cash.  These boards
aren't cheap for me.  The sound is very important to me and I refuse to
risk them with cheap electronic junk.  Yamaha has a reputation to keep
up.  And they know the specs on their gear better than anybody.  There
are a lot of places where you can save a buck or two, but my personal
opinion is that power supplies for keyboards is NOT that place.  FWIW...

			Lecture over... It won't happen again,
								Warren ^=.=^

Hi Liam,

>> Hi, I've recently moved from Australia to California and would like 
>> to buy another AN1x synth (I left my one at home) However I do not 
>> know much about the differences with power supplies between the USA 
>> and Australia (we use 220 volt wiring)
>> 
>> Would an AN1x bought here work there if I changed the power supply 
>> box?
>> 
>> And if I brought my synth over here would I just buy a local power 
>> supply box? Perhaps a Yamaha product?
>> 
>> I guess I want to know if the AN1x would accept the differnt power 
>> supply?

I have used my AN1x with 12V, 9V, and 11V DC supplies.  All of the supplies had the same connector and pinout as the Yamaha (2.1mm barrel jack, positive center pin), and they all worked well.  I suspect that the AN1x itself has a regulator that drops the crude voltage of the wall wart to a rock-solid 5V, and so any supply that is at least 3-4V above that point will work.  (This has not been confirmed with Yamaha.)

There are many 12V DC supplies that would probably work.  On my website, I used to sell a small switching supply that runs on any AC voltage from 100-240V 50 or 60Hz.  I use this one with my own AN1x, and it works very well.  I still have a few of them left; please contact me offline if you are interested.  I also have a standard US Yamaha "brick" supply laying around, if you'd prefer to stay with the original products.

Regards,

-BW
--
Bruce Wahler
Ashby Solutions\ufffd   http://music.ashbysolutions.com
978.386.7389  voice/fax
bruce@...

The thing to watch for with power supplies is loaded and unloaded 
voltage, also does the power supply have a high enough amperage 
rating.

Eg a typical phone power supply will be 100ma 9V.  Guess what you 
get when you attach a multimeter.....13-18VOLTS!!!  The above rating 
is a loaded rating.  

I would strongly suggest you use the original equipment power 
supply...Hey i have a brand new one (I received one extra by 
accident whe i ordered my AN1x), you can have it for $20

Thanks and good luck.

PS I fried a $900 Kodak digital camera by using a universal power 
supply, the volts were ok but the amps were inadequate, that sucker 
needed 1amp at 6v dc.  It's not worth it to lose expensive gear.

Gerry

Hi Gerry,

>The thing to watch for with power supplies is loaded and unloaded 
>voltage, also does the power supply have a high enough amperage 
>rating.
>
>Eg a typical phone power supply will be 100ma 9V.  Guess what you 
>get when you attach a multimeter.....13-18VOLTS!!!  The above rating 
>is a loaded rating.  

This is true with the kind of crude "wall wart" supplies that are shipped with most gear, including the PA-3/3B that Yamaha uses.  It is not true, however, of computer-grade switching supplies that laptops use, which are designed to handle a wide variety of loads.  I use such a supply with my AN1x, and it is 12V no-load, 12V full load.  I like them because they are smaller and lighter than wall warts.  A parts house like Digi-Key or Mouser probably has a laptop-style supply in about the same voltage and current rating as the Yamaha supply, but is smaller and lighter.  If in doubt, choose a slightly higher current rating than the original supply, but try to stay with the same voltage rating.

I used to sell a suitable product on my website, but I can't get a supply of the particular unit I was selling anymore, and the replacement is a bit more money.  (I used to sell them for $15 each; the replacement would be more like $25-30, which I thought was too expensive to bother with.)  I still have 2 or 3 of the original ones laying around in my lab, if anyone is interested.  Contact me offline.

Regards,

-BW
--
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Ashby Solutions\ufffd   http://music.ashbysolutions.com
978.386.7389  voice/fax
bruce@...

Greetings Jon and AN1x-ers,

And what a long time between drinks it's been too!

Following a campervan trip across Australia, leaving my studio behind
in 
Sydney, and settling in Perth these past 18 months, I recently flew
back to 
marry my beautiful soul mate in front of friends and family, plus
gather up my 
studio, only to be stung with airline excess bagage, then flew back 
immediately to Perth to set out on a two week road trip through
Western 
Australia's north and experience some of the best scenery this world
has to 
offer...

...but I digress.

While putting my studio back together this evening, I've since
discovered my 
mate didn't pack the ACadaptor/transformer/powersu
pply/plugpack/wallwart/
watchamacallit.

The manual only refers to the part: PA-3B.

Would someone be kind enough to get down amongst  the dust and read
out 
the specs of their unit?

It's just the specified output I need.

AC? DC? Volts? Amps?

Cheers guys,

Phil
(aka Accession)

This was asked not so long ago. So answer should be there in the list
archives..

These were the specs of U.S adapter,

Input: AC 120v   60Hz   15VA
Output:   DC 12v   700 mA
Polarity: inner + outer -

And I have non-Yamaha adapter: 
Input: AC 230V ~50Hz
Output: 12V, 600mA


So I'd say any 12V/600-700mA adapter should be fine. The plug to the AN1x
should be standard 12V plug (size of the plug).


On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:40:06 -0000, accession2001 wrote:

>While putting my studio back together this evening, I've since
>discovered my 
>mate didn't pack the ACadaptor/transformer/powersu
>pply/plugpack/wallwart/
>watchamacallit.
>
>The manual only refers to the part: PA-3B.
>
>Would someone be kind enough to get down amongst  the dust and read
>out 
>the specs of their unit?
>
>It's just the specified output I need.
>
>AC? DC? Volts? Amps?
>
>Cheers guys,
>
>Phil
>(aka Accession)


// Jouni

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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "accession2001" <jax_and_pjb@h...> wrote:
> 
> Greetings Jon and AN1x-ers,
> 
> And what a long time between drinks it's been too!

Welcom back, Phil - always good to hear from you!

> 
> Following a campervan trip across Australia, leaving my studio behind
> in 
> Sydney, and settling in Perth these past 18 months, I recently flew
> back to 
> marry my beautiful soul mate in front of friends and family, plus
> gather up my 
> studio,

Congratulations- many happy returns of the day!

 only to be stung with airline excess bagage, then flew back 
> immediately to Perth to set out on a two week road trip through
> Western 
> Australia's north and experience some of the best scenery this world
> has to 
> offer...
> 
> ...but I digress.

Yes, but that's okay ;-)

> 
> While putting my studio back together this evening, I've since
> discovered my 
> mate didn't pack the ACadaptor/transformer/powersu
> pply/plugpack/wallwart/
> watchamacallit.
> 
> The manual only refers to the part: PA-3B.
> 
> Would someone be kind enough to get down amongst  the dust and read
> out 
> the specs of their unit?

Recently discussed on the list - the specs are:

Input: AC 120v 60Hz 15VA
Output: DC 12v 700 mA
Polarity: inner + outer -
Model PA-3B


Jon