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Hi Reggie,

Hmm... let me see, I'd go for a Apple G4 Titanium PowerBook in conjunction
with the MotU 828 FireWire audio interface. ;-)

Here's a few interesting and useful links:
http://www.rme-audio.com/english/techinfo/hdsp/notehare.htm
http://www.rme-audio.com/english/techinfo/hdsp/notetabe.htm
http://www.rme-audio.com/english/techinfo/hdsp/notetune.htm
http://www.rme-audio.com/english/techinfo/hdsp/notebase.htm

There also (used to be?) a laptop comparison guide on the site but I can't
find it for now. It would be definitely worth tracking down though.

Good luck,

Phil

From: Reggie <reggie@...>
Reply-To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:05:53 +0000
To: Cubase@yahoogroups.com, AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com,
sw1000xg@yahoogroups.com, dspfact-list@...
Subject: [AN1x-list] [OT] My freind needs to buy a Laptop for his studio,
can I have some advice please.


Hello All, My friend Ralph has just come into some money, He wants to
buy a Laptop to produce Audio with.  He has around £2000 UKP to spend on
it, So, I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on a few
points.


1. He lives in the UK, So, can anyone recommend 'Red submarine', as they
appear to make some good laptops for audio?  Or has anyone had any bad
experiences with this shop?


2. If he goes for a 'normal' off the peg Laptop from the High Street,
What sort of things should he look out for?  Is there anything in
particular that he should avoid like the plague?


3. What sort of processor should he use in one?  Intel PIII, PIV or AMD
Athlon?


4. What should he use to produce the Sound?  PCMCIA card?  USB Box or
Firewire/MLan?  He needs multiple outs on whatever he buys to feed into
his 01v.

5. This one may be daft, but I have never seen anything about Graphics
for Laptops, So what is the consideration here?

Please reply direct to me and not the list if you can help it, I don't
want to clutter the lists :-)

Thanks in advance.
See ya,

Reggie


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I always liked IBM ThinkPads

-----Original Message-----
From: Reggie [mailto:reggie@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 4:06 AM
To: Cubase@yahoogroups.com; AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com;
sw1000xg@yahoogroups.com; dspfact-list@...
Subject: [AN1x-list] [OT] My freind needs to buy a Laptop for his
studio, can I have some advice please.


Hello All, My friend Ralph has just come into some money, He wants to
buy a Laptop to produce Audio with.  He has around \ufffd2000 UKP to spend on
it, So, I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on a few
points.


1. He lives in the UK, So, can anyone recommend 'Red submarine', as they
appear to make some good laptops for audio?  Or has anyone had any bad
experiences with this shop?


2. If he goes for a 'normal' off the peg Laptop from the High Street,
What sort of things should he look out for?  Is there anything in
particular that he should avoid like the plague?


3. What sort of processor should he use in one?  Intel PIII, PIV or AMD
Athlon?


4. What should he use to produce the Sound?  PCMCIA card?  USB Box or
Firewire/MLan?  He needs multiple outs on whatever he buys to feed into
his 01v.

5. This one may be daft, but I have never seen anything about Graphics
for Laptops, So what is the consideration here?

Please reply direct to me and not the list if you can help it, I don't
want to clutter the lists :-)

Thanks in advance.
See ya,

Reggie


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I agree. I use a thinkpad in my live setup running ShowPlay software serial
output to an MU128. Flawless performances thus far. I like the idea that you
can still get parts and setup software for old thinkpads.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:05 PM
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AN1x-list] [OT] My freind needs to buy a Laptop for his
studio, can I have some advice please.


I always liked IBM ThinkPads

-----Original Message-----
From: Reggie [mailto:reggie@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 4:06 AM
To: Cubase@yahoogroups.com; AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com;
sw1000xg@yahoogroups.com; dspfact-list@...
Subject: [AN1x-list] [OT] My freind needs to buy a Laptop for his
studio, can I have some advice please.


Hello All, My friend Ralph has just come into some money, He wants to
buy a Laptop to produce Audio with.  He has around \ufffd2000 UKP to spend on
it, So, I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on a few
points.


1. He lives in the UK, So, can anyone recommend 'Red submarine', as they
appear to make some good laptops for audio?  Or has anyone had any bad
experiences with this shop?


2. If he goes for a 'normal' off the peg Laptop from the High Street,
What sort of things should he look out for?  Is there anything in
particular that he should avoid like the plague?


3. What sort of processor should he use in one?  Intel PIII, PIV or AMD
Athlon?


4. What should he use to produce the Sound?  PCMCIA card?  USB Box or
Firewire/MLan?  He needs multiple outs on whatever he buys to feed into
his 01v.

5. This one may be daft, but I have never seen anything about Graphics
for Laptops, So what is the consideration here?

Please reply direct to me and not the list if you can help it, I don't
want to clutter the lists :-)

Thanks in advance.
See ya,

Reggie


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At 09:42 AM 11/15/01 +0000, Thomas wrote:
>At the Sonar Festival in Barcelona i´ve noticed that a lot of
>musicians, who used a Notebook on stage, used a Apple Powerbook, so i
>guess this must be a good purchase for portable computer music.
>Computer Jockeys use one, Mouse on Mars do and a couple of others too.
>
>Don´t bother with PC technology. As someone already said, if you go
>for a good brandname, Apple is not much more expensive than a IBM
>Thinkpad.

Okay, so by that logic if I see lots of other people on the street wearing 
shirts they bought at the GAP, does that mean I have to wear a shirt from 
the GAP too?



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At the Sonar Festival in Barcelona i´ve noticed that a lot of 
musicians, who used a Notebook on stage, used a Apple Powerbook, so i 
guess this must be a good purchase for portable computer music. 
Computer Jockeys use one, Mouse on Mars do and a couple of others too.

Don´t bother with PC technology. As someone already said, if you go 
for a good brandname, Apple is not much more expensive than a IBM 
Thinkpad.

--Tom

"Okay, so by that logic if I see lots of other people on the street wearing 
shirts they bought at the GAP, does that mean I have to wear a shirt from 
the GAP too?"

Errrm, No...

I think the point was that if loads of other musicians use it on stage then
it must be reliable and a good choice. He didn't say you should copy their
T-shirts though.

-----Original Message-----
From: Elson Trinidad [mailto:elson@...]
Sent: 15 November 2001 09:43
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com; AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Re: [OT] My freind needs to buy a Laptop for
his studio, can I have some advice please.


At 09:42 AM 11/15/01 +0000, Thomas wrote:
>At the Sonar Festival in Barcelona i´ve noticed that a lot of
>musicians, who used a Notebook on stage, used a Apple Powerbook, so i
>guess this must be a good purchase for portable computer music.
>Computer Jockeys use one, Mouse on Mars do and a couple of others too.
>
>Don´t bother with PC technology. As someone already said, if you go
>for a good brandname, Apple is not much more expensive than a IBM
>Thinkpad.

Okay, so by that logic if I see lots of other people on the street wearing 
shirts they bought at the GAP, does that mean I have to wear a shirt from 
the GAP too?



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www.mp3.com/etrinity


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--- In AN1x-list@y..., Elson Trinidad <elson@w...> wrote:
> Okay, so by that logic if I see lots of other people on the street 
wearing 
> shirts they bought at the GAP, does that mean I have to wear a 
shirt from 
> the GAP too?

Erm...yes. You are right, if i follow the logic...;)
What i mean is, that i am dealing with PC´s and it´s flaws now since 
those came out, 20 years ago. And i´ve never seen a Notebook operate 
without a flaw, neither at presentations, where only Powerpoint ran 
on the Notebook, or at musical events, where the musician(s) were 
using a PC notebook. Windows is simply not stable enough, and it 
won´t any more stable with XP. 
Apple computer have their own flaws too, but AFAIK do they operate 
more stable, and that a lot of live-musicians use a powerbook should 
tell you something about it. Another example, a lot of people in 
Germany buy the Volkswagen Golf. For sure they don´t do it, because 
it´s a very fancy car, indeed it´s quite ugly, but the Golf is 
despite it´s outlook very popular because of it´s quality.
So Reggie´s friend should take a look at a Powerbook, because that´s 
a quality product that a lot of musicians already use live. Quod erat 
demonstrandum.

Cogito ergo sum? 

Confused, as always,

--Tom

Thomas wrote:

>>
Windows is simply not stable enough, and it won´t any more stable with
XP.
Apple computer have their own flaws too, but AFAIK do they operate 
more stable 
<<

FWIW: I use both Mac and Windows machines here (both on desktop and
notebook). In practice I wouldn't go anywhere near Win9x implementations
anymore. However I find XP to be far more stable than MacOS, plus if
something does go, it generally doesn't take the whole OS with it.
For low latency audio Win2K and XP perform really well. 

Regards

Gary Gregson

Email:gary@...
http://www.yme.co.uk/yme

All,

>Erm...yes. You are right, if i follow the logic...;)
>What i mean is, that i am dealing with PC´s and it´s flaws now since
>those came out, 20 years ago. And i´ve never seen a Notebook operate
>without a flaw, neither at presentations, where only Powerpoint ran
>on the Notebook, or at musical events, where the musician(s) were
>using a PC notebook. Windows is simply not stable enough, and it
>won´t any more stable with XP.

Can we please not turn this into a Mac vs. Windows war?  I didn't think 
this was the forum for OS debates.

I know musicians who use Macs successfully on stage.  I also know musicians 
who use PCs successfully on stage, including yours truly -- at least I did; 
I'm not playing MIDI'ed music at the moment.  I use a Compaq Armada M700 
laptop for MIDI, and for presentations, too.  I'm teaching a course on 
Sunday called "MIDI and Computerized Music" at a local university, and I 
expect the PC will work flawlessly as both the presentation tool and MIDI 
controller, as it did last year.  I can't really recommend Compaq to most 
users -- not because the PC platform in unsuitable for music, but because 
Compaq has a long-standing track record of making subtle "improvements" to 
the PC software (and sometimes, hardware) to try to make it stand out from 
the pack, which is counter to the safety-in-numbers design philosophy of 
the PC.  If these changes are backed out, a Compaq laptop can work well, 
too.  For the average user, IBM, who still establishes the standards; Dell, 
who follows them; or Sony, who cares deeply about the musical aspects, are 
probably better choices.

I designed PCs for a living for eleven years, including 
laptops.  Historically, one of the big reasons that so many musicians use 
Macs is that the IBM-PC side of things refused to take music seriously 
until about five years ago.  I know:  I was a vocal proponent of adding 
quality audio and MIDI to the designs as early as 1991-1992, and NO ONE 
would take me seriously.  This gave Apple a huge edge in terms of defining 
musicians' preferences, since Apple recognized the musician-computer 
connection early on.  This also translated into more musical software 
packages for the Mac, which made the platform even more enticing.  Windows 
has been catching up in the last few years, but let's face it:  If you've 
been using Macs for ten years, and you know and understand all the quirks 
and major applications, why would you want to switch platforms now?  That's 
a big part of the musical "preference" for Mac computers, which translates 
into large numbers of Macs on stage -- but it shouldn't be confused with 
reliability.

Regards,

-BW

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--- In AN1x-list@y..., Bruce Wahler <bruce@a...> wrote:
> Can we please not turn this into a Mac vs. Windows war?  

Noone has the intention for that here. Every OS and every platform 
has it´s purpose. And Linux is better anyway...;) j/k.

The most stable OS so far is anyway the one inside the AN1x, isn´t 
it? ;)
...as long as you don´t connect a MIDI-sequencer...

--Tom

From: "Thomas" <tomfinegan@...>

> The most stable OS so far is anyway the one inside the AN1x, isn\ufffdt
> it? ;)

Well, actually...

> ...as long as you don\ufffdt connect a MIDI-sequencer...

Exactly. I've had very weird problems with my AN1x that I could only solve
with a factory reset. Not the foggiest idea what happened. It really
deteriorated over time and that was kind of scary.

- Peter

From: "Gary Gregson" <gary@...>

> For low latency audio Win2K and XP perform really well.

Speaking of which, Mac OS X has the lowest audio latency of them all. Linux
with some fancy (and experimental) software does a little better with no
system load, but Mac OS X keeps the same latency under high load, whereas
the others all get higher latencies.

Software and drivers also seem to be coming to OS X, so this will be
interesting to look at in due time.

I have a PC at the moment, but the thing that attracts me about OS X is its
Unix based kernel.

- Peter

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Peter Korsten" <peterk@i...> wrote:
> > ...as long as you don´t connect a MIDI-sequencer...
> 
> Exactly. I've had very weird problems with my AN1x that I could 
only solve
> with a factory reset. Not the foggiest idea what happened. It really
> deteriorated over time and that was kind of scary.

Hm, it happened to me too a few (seldom) times, that my AN1x froze on 
me, while connected to my MIDI-sequencer. But my MicroModular also 
froze up a few times also connected to the sequencer...so is it now 
the fault of the AN1x and MM the way they handle MIDI, or is it the 
sequencer´s fault (RS7000/Cubasis VST 3.7)? Or is it the nature of 
MIDI to produce sometimes SYSEX trash-data, that let´s your synth 
crash?

--Tom

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Peter Korsten" <peterk@i...> wrote:
> From: "Gary Gregson" <gary@y...>
> 
> > For low latency audio Win2K and XP perform really well.
> 

I'd visited a local music store this past Monday and the salesperson 
took it upon himself to inform me how poorly XP performs with MIDI and 
Audio apps?!? Since I've no first hand experience in this area I'm 
inclined to take Gary's experiences more seriously and this should go 
to show how *silly* this topic can become :-P

I don't doubt that we're all capable of respecting each others 
intelligence to determine the platform which suits our individual 
requirements (and budget!)


> Speaking of which, Mac OS X has the lowest audio latency of them all. Linux
> with some fancy (and experimental) software does a little better with no
> system load, but Mac OS X keeps the same latency under high load, whereas
> the others all get higher latencies.

I'm VERY excited about MIDI and Audio under Mac OS X. So much so that 
I've started scheming, uh, I meant 'budgeting', yeah that's it -  
'budgeting' ;-) for a new G4 to replace my G3 with its sloooow 66 Mhz 
system bus. Damn, even a 400 Mhz iMac has 100 Mhz system bus!!! :-#  

> 
> Software and drivers also seem to be coming to OS X, so this will be
> interesting to look at in due time.

TC Works http://www.tcworks.de/ has announced a freeware audio editor - 
Spark ME - that was to be made available as of today. Very, very cool 
IMO.

> 
> I have a PC at the moment, but the thing that attracts me about OS X is its
> Unix based kernel.
> 
> - Peter

regards,

Jon

p.s. - two demerits to Reggie for starting this thread ;-)
p.p.s. - two more demerits for anybody who ignored his plea to respond 
*offline* ;-)
p.p.s.s. - let's move on to another subject now...

I would like to say that XP has been a nice experience for me so far, I
haven't done any heavy work yet, but I have 2 PC's 1 intel, 1 AMD, both
running 98 and XP dualboots, so we'll see how they both fare over the
next few months.

Sorry for starting the thread Jon :-)

BTW. He is also looking at a Sony VAIO as that got a good write up on
RME, and they come in a little bit cheaper than the Red submarine.  I
think that it is a really hard decision for anyone to make, Especially
as he is going to spend 2 or 3 times the amount of money for a similarly
spec'ed PC.


In article <9t18di+td9k@...>, Jon <jondl_2000@...> writes
>--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Peter Korsten" <peterk@i...> wrote:
>> From: "Gary Gregson" <gary@y...>
>> 
>> > For low latency audio Win2K and XP perform really well.
>> 
>
>I'd visited a local music store this past Monday and the salesperson 
>took it upon himself to inform me how poorly XP performs with MIDI and 
>Audio apps?!? Since I've no first hand experience in this area I'm 
>inclined to take Gary's experiences more seriously and this should go 
>to show how *silly* this topic can become :-P
>
>I don't doubt that we're all capable of respecting each others 
>intelligence to determine the platform which suits our individual 
>requirements (and budget!)
>
>
>> Speaking of which, Mac OS X has the lowest audio latency of them all. Linux
>> with some fancy (and experimental) software does a little better with no
>> system load, but Mac OS X keeps the same latency under high load, whereas
>> the others all get higher latencies.
>
>I'm VERY excited about MIDI and Audio under Mac OS X. So much so that 
>I've started scheming, uh, I meant 'budgeting', yeah that's it -  
>'budgeting' ;-) for a new G4 to replace my G3 with its sloooow 66 Mhz 
>system bus. Damn, even a 400 Mhz iMac has 100 Mhz system bus!!! :-#  
>
>> 
>> Software and drivers also seem to be coming to OS X, so this will be
>> interesting to look at in due time.
>
>TC Works http://www.tcworks.de/ has announced a freeware audio editor - 
>Spark ME - that was to be made available as of today. Very, very cool 
>IMO.
>
>> 
>> I have a PC at the moment, but the thing that attracts me about OS X is its
>> Unix based kernel.
>> 
>> - Peter
>
>regards,
>
>Jon
>
>p.s. - two demerits to Reggie for starting this thread ;-)
>p.p.s. - two more demerits for anybody who ignored his plea to respond 
>*offline* ;-)
>p.p.s.s. - let's move on to another subject now...
>
>
>
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See ya,

Reggie

On Thursday, November 15, 2001, at 02:26 PM, Jon wrote:
>
> p.p.s. - two more demerits for anybody who ignored his plea to respond
> *offline* ;-)
> p.p.s.s. - let's move on to another subject now...

Yeah, that's what I was about to say. Poo-poo on you all for taking this 
thread so far down a well-beaten path. :)

OS X 10.1.1 rocks. I haven't had anything crash yet. My system has been 
up for days. Damn stable.

I'm downloading SparkME for OS X as I write this. Poo-poo on them for 
calling it Spark "ME". Oops, no more mac vs. Win remarks...

mark

Hello All, My friend Ralph has just come into some money, He wants to
buy a Laptop to produce Audio with.  He has around \ufffd2000 UKP to spend on
it, So, I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on a few
points.


1. He lives in the UK, So, can anyone recommend 'Red submarine', as they
appear to make some good laptops for audio?  Or has anyone had any bad
experiences with this shop?


2. If he goes for a 'normal' off the peg Laptop from the High Street,
What sort of things should he look out for?  Is there anything in
particular that he should avoid like the plague? 


3. What sort of processor should he use in one?  Intel PIII, PIV or AMD
Athlon?


4. What should he use to produce the Sound?  PCMCIA card?  USB Box or
Firewire/MLan?  He needs multiple outs on whatever he buys to feed into
his 01v.

5. This one may be daft, but I have never seen anything about Graphics
for Laptops, So what is the consideration here?

Please reply direct to me and not the list if you can help it, I don't
want to clutter the lists :-)

Thanks in advance.
See ya,

Reggie