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----- Original Message ----- 

  From: jondl_2000 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 6:36 PM
  Subject: [AN1x] Re: ribbon assign centering


  --- In AN1x-list@y..., "pixie130672" <frederic.chen@w...> wrote:
  > Hi all,
  >  I know it's been asked before but couldn't see any answers.
  > my prob is the following .
  > 
  > When assigning cut off to ribbon-X controller in the matrix 
  control 
  > routing, the ribbon position never acts the same.
  > according to the operation manual it should hold its position 
  after 
  > being released and not go center ( operation manual p75).
  > Well, at least in my case, it's not true, sometime the cutoff 
  > assigned ribbon keeps its position sometimes it reset to 
  center.
  > a few patches tend to be more "reset centered" than "held to 
  the 
  > their last ribbon position", but you never know.
  > 
  > When the performance goes through editing (neither-ribbon 
  nor cuttof 
  > related editings BTW) these "tendencies" might  swap to one 
  another.
  > 
  > Am I missing anything, has anybody noticed the same problem 
  ?
  > thx for your help
  > 
  > fred

  Hi Fred,

  Yes, I've managed to recreate your problem as described. Very 
  odd indeed.

  I leave my AN1x in Mode 2 99% of the time so I thought perhaps 
  the problem was specific to Mode 2. I rebooted my AN1x into 
  Mode 1 and the problem disappeared. My edited voice retained 
  the Filter Cutoff value when I removed my finger from the Ribbon.

  I rebooted back into Mode 2 and the problem did NOT reappear, 
  i.e., the voice behaved correctly with the Ribbon X assigned to 
  Filter Cutoff. Very strange?!?! Guess the problem is not specific 
  to Mode 1 or 2.

  So I edited another voice - making the identical Matrix 
  assignment - and of course it did not work! The Filter Cutoff 
  setting returned to 'center' whenever I removed my finger from 
  the controller. Aaargh!

  So, I powered off and on my AN1x and the problem disappeared 
  - again. BUT once I issued a program change the problem 
  reappeared! Very confusing...I rebooted BACK into Mode 1 and 
  the behavior was identical to Mode 2.

  I'm at a loss to explain this irradicate behavior :-( Perhaps we 
  need to report this to Yamaha.

  As a work around I suggest you use the Ribbon controller only 
  for dynamic changes and assign the Mod Wheel or an Assign 
  Knob to the same parameter when you require a fixed value.

  When I have time I'll boot up LOGIC AUDIO and place a Monitor 
  into my Environment Layer to see what MIDI CC's are coming 
  and going - and maybe test with LOCAL=OFF too.

  regards,

  Jon

  thx Jon for taking the time to check.

  IMO it really looks like an OS related bug. I think it's not worth spending too much time into this.
  at least I'm not alone having this very odd problem. BTW you did refer to mode1 and mode2 boot. Can you elaborate on this ?





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Jon,
    Thanks for taking the time to investigate this - I've posted to the group
about it in the past but never took a logical persuit in trying to isolate the
source like you did.  You have solidly identified that the ribbon centering is a
REAL problem, not an imagined one, or just an isolated case based on patch
parameters.

Group,
    Aren't you glad this is not a guitar discussion group?  Have you ever
experienced the self-centered vanity and inflated egos of a guitar list?
Wow....  I just subscribed to one, and after following a few threads I had to go
blow my nose to get the stink out of my head.  Thanks to you all for being a
generally mellow and helpful bunch of people.

Ed Edwards
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--- In AN1x-list@y..., "fred chen" <frederic.chen@w...> wrote:
>   thx Jon for taking the time to check.
> 
>   IMO it really looks like an OS related bug. I think it's not worth 
spending too much time into this.
>   at least I'm not alone having this very odd problem. BTW you 
did refer to mode1 and mode2 boot. Can you elaborate on this ?
> 

See page 96 of the Owners Manual for details. To summarize, 
the AN1x has two Control Change modes - Mode 1 is the MIDI 
standard and Mode 2 is specific to the AN1x. You can swap 
between the two modes by powering off the AN1x, hold the 
[ASSIGN] button and press the ]POWER] button.

On Page 9 of the Data List you'll find a table that details the MIDI 
CC number assignments. This is useful for automating just 
about all the AN1x parameters from your sequencing 
environment. As a matter of fact, you'll find resources for LOGIC 
Audio, Cubase and Cakewalk in the Files Section here at Yahoo! 
Groups along with copies of the Owners Manual and Data List 
as PDFs http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files

regards,

Jon

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@v...> 
wrote:
> Jon,
>     Thanks for taking the time to investigate this - I've posted to 
the group
> about it in the past but never took a logical persuit in trying to 
isolate the
> source like you did.  You have solidly identified that the ribbon 
centering is a
> REAL problem, not an imagined one, or just an isolated case 
based on patch
> parameters.
> 

I submitted the following problem report to Yamaha Customer 
Support :

"Intermittent bug in AN1x OS:  when [RIBBON] Controller is 
assigned to a parameter other than Pitch Up/Pitch Down the 
controller value resets to center. Problems can be temporarily 
resolved by powering off/on AN1x but reoccurs as soon as a 
program change is issued to inc/dec the current Voice. Is this 
issue addressed in an OS update subsequent to v1.04?  Many 
thanks in advance, Jon Levinson"

Usually takes a 24 hours to receive an acknowledgement - we'll 
see what they have to say...

> Group,
>     Aren't you glad this is not a guitar discussion group?  Have 
you ever
> experienced the self-centered vanity and inflated egos of a 
guitar list?
> Wow....  I just subscribed to one, and after following a few 
threads I had to go
> blow my nose to get the stink out of my head.  Thanks to you all 
for being a
> generally mellow and helpful bunch of people.
> 

BWAH haha ha LOL :-) and your welcome...

Jon

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@v...> 
wrote:
> Jon,
>     Thanks for taking the time to investigate this - I've posted to 
the group
> about it in the past but never took a logical persuit in trying to 
isolate the
> source like you did.  You have solidly identified that the ribbon 
centering is a
> REAL problem, not an imagined one, or just an isolated case 
based on patch
> parameters.
> 

I submitted the following problem report to Yamaha Customer 
Support :

"Intermittent bug in AN1x OS:  when [RIBBON] Controller is 
assigned to a parameter other than Pitch Up/Pitch Down the 
controller value resets to center. Problems can be temporarily 
resolved by powering off/on AN1x but reoccurs as soon as a 
program change is issued to inc/dec the current Voice. Is this 
issue addressed in an OS update subsequent to v1.04?  Many 
thanks in advance, Jon Levinson"

Usually takes a 24 hours to receive an acknowledgement - we'll 
see what they have to say...

> Group,
>     Aren't you glad this is not a guitar discussion group?  Have 
you ever
> experienced the self-centered vanity and inflated egos of a 
guitar list?
> Wow....  I just subscribed to one, and after following a few 
threads I had to go
> blow my nose to get the stink out of my head.  Thanks to you all 
for being a
> generally mellow and helpful bunch of people.
> 

BWAH haha ha LOL :-) and your welcome...

Jon

In a message dated 21/7/02 6:03:23 pm, jondl_2000@... writes:

>>     Aren't you glad this is not a guitar discussion group?  Have 
>you ever
>> experienced the self-centered vanity and inflated egos of a 
>guitar list?
>> Wow....  I just subscribed to one, and after following a few 
>threads I had to go
>> blow my nose to get the stink out of my head.  Thanks to you all 
>for being a
>> generally mellow and helpful bunch of people.
>> 
What do you expect??- IME guitarists prefer Alcohol and synthheads- Pot 
hehehe!!!

Tom %-)