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> bug? - and received a callback today. The tech confirmed there is
> no fix other than what we've already discussed - use an Assign
> Knob or Mod Wheel when a fixed value is necessary and the the
> Ribbon Controller for dynamic changes.

CRAP!
I was *sure* that the ribbon software was buggy when I got mine new.  I should
have YELLED LOUDER to the group and to Yamaha.  It's such a cool function to
have a "return to default" or "remain at last level" for a controller like the
manual claims.

Optimist view: at least we know of the problem and can program around it.
Pessimist view: CRAP!  (My father used to call this anal-optic-itis, the
condition of always looking at the world through your butt hole.)

Ed Edwards
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In a message dated 26/7/02 1:36:41 am, edward.edwards@... writes:

>CRAP!
>
>I was *sure* that the ribbon software was buggy when I got mine new.  I
>should
>
>have YELLED LOUDER to the group and to Yamaha.  It's such a cool function
>to
>
>have a "return to default" or "remain at last level" for a controller like
>the
>
>manual claims.
>
>
Yeah it is crap- but most software companies are doing this very thing today- 
for eg- there's no plans for NI Reaktor to run in OSX (all developement is on 
PC), and the playback module dosen't work- it's things like this that bore 
me, piss me off, and Yamaha- although really should know better- have always 
had this attitude. 
- I'm considering selling Reaktor and getting Reason (+ Cellsynth)- because 
the development is so much better and Cellsynth is British and shareware- 
therefore cheaper! (And I'm getting really tired of having to build something 
everytime I turn it on-I want to make music not mathematics!- oh well that's 
enough ranting for this morning as far as I'm concerned heheh!).

Tom :-| 

Analogue- I think it has a great future- LOL!

--- In AN1x-list@y..., terryfunken@a... wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 26/7/02 1:36:41 am, edward.edwards@v... 
writes:
> 
> >CRAP!
> >
> >I was *sure* that the ribbon software was buggy when I got 
mine new.  I
> >should
> >
> >have YELLED LOUDER to the group and to Yamaha.  It's 
such a cool function
> >to

I wish I'd heard what you were trying to say:-( Sometimes the 
significance just doesn't 'click' if you don't make use of the 
feature yourself...


> >
> >have a "return to default" or "remain at last level" for a 
controller like
> >the
> >
> >manual claims.
> >
> >
> Yeah it is crap- but most software companies are doing this 
very thing today- 
> for eg- there's no plans for NI Reaktor to run in OSX (all 
developement is on 
> PC), and the playback module dosen't work- it's things like this 
that bore 
> me, piss me off, and Yamaha- although really should know 
better- have always 
> had this attitude. 

I kind of agree with this which is why I believe it's up to us to help 
them, i.e., Yamaha, NI, etc, understand our expcetations. 
Granted the AN1x is five years old and it *did* see a couple of 
minor bug fixes. Too bad more of us did have more on the ball a 
couple of years ago :-(

> - I'm considering selling Reaktor and getting Reason (+ 
Cellsynth)- because 
> the development is so much better and Cellsynth is British and 
shareware- 
> therefore cheaper! (And I'm getting really tired of having to build 
something 
> everytime I turn it on-I want to make music not mathematics!- 
oh well that's 
> enough ranting for this morning as far as I'm concerned 
heheh!).
> 

There was some NI discussion on the Absynth list and the plan 
is supposedly to have OS X ports completed by end of year - end 
of year 2003! Ha ha ha Eighteen months? Are they kidding? ha 
haha 

I think NI may have bitten off more than they can chew - they're 
product update schedule is not at al 'Mac friendly.' You've already 
heard me gripe about the lack of updates to BATTERY and 
Absynth. Granted there are valid technical reasons for the 
Absynth delay (going cross platform and enhacing the uderlying 
audio engine for *future* updates) but BATTERY is just out & out 
being neglected in favor of KONTAKT. How is that going to 
persuade me to buy KONTAKT? It's not I tell you.

Jon

Sorry...my own fault, I hadn't been paying attention and then I saw this and
perked up.
Is this in regard to when you assign some parameter to the ribbon controller
that
actually you always want to have the same value but want to "jiggle" a
little with the ribbon?

Cause I, still relatively a newbie in synth programming, have sometimes
tended to use parameters that while they sound cool on the ribbon, often am
unlucky and when I let go I have the parameter in a state that makes the
patch bad....

So I really would love a switch to tell it that when I stop using the
ribbon, go back to a set value.
Was there supposedly a way to do that, but it doesn't work or was there
never plans for it?

Sorry for coming in so late in the thread....I have been in "delete mode"
lately and it is entirely my own fault.

Thanks,

Jim

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] Ribbon Controller Assign follow up


> > bug? - and received a callback today. The tech confirmed there is
> > no fix other than what we've already discussed - use an Assign
> > Knob or Mod Wheel when a fixed value is necessary and the the
> > Ribbon Controller for dynamic changes.
>
> CRAP!
> I was *sure* that the ribbon software was buggy when I got mine new.  I
should
> have YELLED LOUDER to the group and to Yamaha.  It's such a cool function
to
> have a "return to default" or "remain at last level" for a controller like
the

> manual claims.
>
> Optimist view: at least we know of the problem and can program around it.
> Pessimist view: CRAP!  (My father used to call this anal-optic-itis, the
> condition of always looking at the world through your butt hole.)
>
> Ed Edwards
> Leader: Ezekiel's Wheel      \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffdRetro-Progressive Rock\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd
> http://www.untiedmusic.com/ezekiel
> http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/227/ezekiels_wheel.html
> \ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd
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--- In AN1x-list@y..., "James R. Acker" <jacker@o...> wrote:
> Sorry...my own fault, I hadn't been paying attention and then I 
saw this and
> perked up.
> Is this in regard to when you assign some parameter to the 
ribbon controller
> that
> actually you always want to have the same value but want to 
"jiggle" a
> little with the ribbon?

James,

You'll find the entire thread available for review on the list 
archives - which can found here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/message/6028

and the follow up thread here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/message/6107

To summarize, there is an intermittent bug which makes the 
Ribbon Controller X value return to center regardless of which 
parameter is assigned to Ribbon X. There is no fix forthcoming 
from Yamaha.

regards,

Jon