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I was experimenting yesterday, I just sold my OS 9 capable G4 and now
wanted to see if I could talk to the AN1x without using a really old 
iBook, which still runs OS 9. 

Anyway, I have an M-Audio USB Midisport 1x1 as MIDI interface. I
started up Classic, installed OMS 2.3.8 and subsequently the OS 9 
Midisport drivers (basically followed the instructions on the 
M-Audio website as though I was running OS 9). Finally, I installed 
an1xedit (first 1.02 and just now 1.1). The short answer is: it works
fine (both sending and receiving voices, real-time editing).

I couldn't find anything about this option on this site (and the FAQ
makes it look as though it is not going to work), so I thought I'd 
share this with you. It does seem to be that the M-Audio MIDI 
interfaces are particularly well-behaved, so it may not work with 
others.

I haven't yet tried using the AN1x to control OS X Software in 
parallel, but this is not essential for me.

Cheers,
Michiel

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "mpvh01" <mpvh01@y...> wrote:
> I was experimenting yesterday, I just sold my OS 9 capable G4 and now
> wanted to see if I could talk to the AN1x without using a really old 
> iBook, which still runs OS 9. 
> 
> Anyway, I have an M-Audio USB Midisport 1x1 as MIDI interface. I
> started up Classic, installed OMS 2.3.8 and subsequently the OS 9 
> Midisport drivers (basically followed the instructions on the 
> M-Audio website as though I was running OS 9). Finally, I installed 
> an1xedit (first 1.02 and just now 1.1). The short answer is: it works
> fine (both sending and receiving voices, real-time editing).
> 

You say 'started up Classic', but do you mean you started Classic within OS X or do you 
have a dual boot machine and used Classic as your boot OS?

AFAIK, and my hands on experience bears this out, there is no method by which a 
hardware MIDI Interface - USB or otherwise - can be addressed by OMS in Classic running 
under OS X without the assistance of a helper application such as MIDIBridge9X

http://www.troikatronix.com/midibridge9x.html

I have read reports of users running OMS in Classic under OS 9 who have successfully 
routed data between a Editor/Librarian in Classic to a Sequencer in OS X using virtual 
links. And while I've run AN1xEdit in Classic to convert Voices into SysEx, but you are the 
first and only user I know of who has established a link between the hardware and OS 
without a help app (see above comments.)

Were you able to perform a full bulk dump or only a few voices at a time from the AN1x to 
the MAc? Were you able to load a fulll bulk dump into the AN1x fromthe Mac or only 
individual voices one at a time? What release of OS X are you running? I assume you are 
running 9.2.2 for Classic? Which version of the M-Audio drivers did you install?

> I couldn't find anything about this option on this site (and the FAQ
> makes it look as though it is not going to work), so I thought I'd 
> share this with you. It does seem to be that the M-Audio MIDI 
> interfaces are particularly well-behaved, so it may not work with 
> others.
> 

My experienc with M-Audio MIDI Interfaces - particularly under OS 9 - is contradictory to 
yours. I happen to have a USB MIDISport 1x1 on hand and should be able to replicate your 
configuration on either or both of my two Macs (the BeigeG4 or new G5.)

> I haven't yet tried using the AN1x to control OS X Software in 
> parallel, but this is not essential for me.
> 

You can always use an add on specific to your sequencers: Mixer Maps or an Environment 
layer, etc. See the Files section here at Yahoo! Groups for a selection.

> Cheers,
> Michiel

regards,

Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "mpvh01" <mpvh01@y...> wrote:
> > I was experimenting yesterday, I just sold my OS 9 capable G4 and now
> > wanted to see if I could talk to the AN1x without using a really old 
> > iBook, which still runs OS 9. 
> > 
> > Anyway, I have an M-Audio USB Midisport 1x1 as MIDI interface. I
> > started up Classic, installed OMS 2.3.8 and subsequently the OS 9 
> > Midisport drivers (basically followed the instructions on the 
> > M-Audio website as though I was running OS 9). Finally, I installed 
> > an1xedit (first 1.02 and just now 1.1). The short answer is: it works
> > fine (both sending and receiving voices, real-time editing).

WOW! It actually works?!? Using a dual G5 Running OS X 10.3.5 with Classic 9.2.2 and OMS 
2.3.8 along with the MIDISport_9-3.0.8 drivers and AN1xEdit v1.1

Michiel, thanks for sharing your findings :-) Sorry to have been so sceptical.

I think it's fair to say something has changed with the update from Jaguar to Panther.

Exercise caution doing the install - the MIDISport install crashed my G5 :-( Suggest you 
install OMS 2.3.8, restart Classic, THEN install the MIDISport drivers and restart Classic 
again. I did one on top of the other - doh!, should have known better - and had to 
perform a hard reset :-/

Don't forget about the little 'bug' in AN1xEdit:

From within AN1xEdit, under the Setup menu select the MIDI Port  Setup...toggle between 
any devices other than the AN1x from the MIDI Port Setup... dialog then back again to 
AN1x will reestablish the dropped connection to OMS.

I found the MIDISport 1x1 to be somewhat more reliable under Classic + OS X using the 
3.0.8 driver then the last time I tried it stand alone under OS 9 - don't recall the driver 
version offhand, but I'll post back later when I find out :-/ 

I'm only able to Send/Receive 2-8 Voices at a time reliably but anymore than that will 
result in chronic 'Retry' prompts (which sometimes works!), but too many Voices at once 
will crash both AN1xEdit and Classic. Save early and save often. FWIW, I'm running the 
MIDISport off a powered USB hub NOT directly attached to a USB on the G5. I'll have to try 
my Emagic MT4 to compare its reliability with the MIDISport 1x1.

Obviously the FAQ is now in need of an update :-P Guess I'll have to get off my butt next 
week and finish version 2.

Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> WOW! It actually works?!? Using a dual G5 Running OS X 10.3.5 with
Classic 9.2.2 and 
OMS 
> 2.3.8 along with the MIDISport_9-3.0.8 drivers and AN1xEdit v1.1
> 
> Michiel, thanks for sharing your findings :-) Sorry to have been so
sceptical.
> 
> I think it's fair to say something has changed with the update from
Jaguar to Panther.
> 
> Exercise caution doing the install - the MIDISport install crashed
my G5 :-( Suggest you 
> install OMS 2.3.8, restart Classic, THEN install the MIDISport
drivers and restart Classic 
> again. I did one on top of the other - doh!, should have known
better - and had to 
> perform a hard reset :-/
> 
> Don't forget about the little 'bug' in AN1xEdit:
> 
> From within AN1xEdit, under the Setup menu select the MIDI Port 
Setup...toggle 
between 
> any devices other than the AN1x from the MIDI Port Setup... dialog
then back again to 
> AN1x will reestablish the dropped connection to OMS.
> 
> I found the MIDISport 1x1 to be somewhat more reliable under
Classic + OS X using the 
> 3.0.8 driver then the last time I tried it stand alone under OS 9 -
don't recall the driver 
> version offhand, but I'll post back later when I find out :-/ 
> 
> I'm only able to Send/Receive 2-8 Voices at a time reliably but
anymore than that will 
> result in chronic 'Retry' prompts (which sometimes works!), but too
many Voices at once 
> will crash both AN1xEdit and Classic. Save early and save often.
FWIW, I'm running the 
> MIDISport off a powered USB hub NOT directly attached to a USB on
the G5. I'll have to 
try 
> my Emagic MT4 to compare its reliability with the MIDISport 1x1.
> 
> Obviously the FAQ is now in need of an update :-P Guess I'll have
to get off my butt next 
> week and finish version 2.

I'm on a Dual G5 1.8 GHz machine - so it is all pure classic, no OS 9
booting possible. I did restart classic after installing OMS (in fact I 
think the installer insisted on doing it for me). Otherwise I'm using 
the same set-up you are: 10.3.5 with 9.2.2 and the 3.0.8 midisport 
drivers. 

I did discover the little AN1xEdit "bug" you mentioned (by accident)
since I was just playing around (also worth a mention in the FAQ!).

I've not yet tried to download many voices - but this was always
problematic for me even under (native) OS 9 with AN1xEdit (at 
the time I was using an Audiophile 2496 PCI card. I'll try it again 
soon.

Cheers,
Michiel

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "mpvh01" <mpvh01@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> > WOW! It actually works?!? Using a dual G5 Running OS X 10.3.5 with
> Classic 9.2.2 and 
> OMS 
> > 2.3.8 along with the MIDISport_9-3.0.8 drivers and AN1xEdit v1.1
> > 
> > Michiel, thanks for sharing your findings :-) Sorry to have been so
> sceptical.
> > 
> > I think it's fair to say something has changed with the update from
> Jaguar to Panther.
> > Obviously the FAQ is now in need of an update :-P Guess I'll have
> to get off my butt next 
> > week and finish version 2.
> 
> I'm on a Dual G5 1.8 GHz machine - so it is all pure classic, no OS 9
> booting possible. I did restart classic after installing OMS (in fact I 
> think the installer insisted on doing it for me). Otherwise I'm using 
> the same set-up you are: 10.3.5 with 9.2.2 and the 3.0.8 midisport 
> drivers. 
> 

Yes, dual G5 1.8 GHz here too...

> I did discover the little AN1xEdit "bug" you mentioned (by accident)
> since I was just playing around (also worth a mention in the FAQ!).
> 

It's already in there, thx.

> I've not yet tried to download many voices - but this was always
> problematic for me even under (native) OS 9 with AN1xEdit (at 
> the time I was using an Audiophile 2496 PCI card. I'll try it again 
> soon.
> 

I never used an Audiophile 2496, but I did use or test each of the following on OS 9:

Opcode Studio 128x (it was mostly reliable - OS 9)
Opcode Studio 4 (very reliable - OS 9)
Opcode Translator Pro (the most reliable I used - OS 9)
Opcode USB MIDIport 2x2 (so, so - OS 9)
MIDIMAN USB MIDISport 2x2 (no better than the MIDIport)
MIDIMAN USB MIDISPport 1x1 (okaaaay under OS 9 & OS X)
Emagic MT4 (very reliable under both OS 9 and OS X.)

> Cheers,
> Michiel

regards - and thanks again! I've already suuccessfully replicated the test results with an 
editor for my hardware sampler!

Jon

I'm really glad to hear this as I'm using a Mac here on this end now 
too.  I really need to hurry and get an interface now just so I can 
back up my voices.  They're just a few organ sounds but I've worked 
really hard on them to make them react like an organ with tabs or 
drawbars would.

On Oct 2, 2004, at 9:51 AM, Jon wrote:

>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
>> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "mpvh01" <mpvh01@y...> wrote:
>>> I was experimenting yesterday, I just sold my OS 9 capable G4 and now
>>> wanted to see if I could talk to the AN1x without using a really old
>>> iBook, which still runs OS 9.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I have an M-Audio USB Midisport 1x1 as MIDI interface. I
>>> started up Classic, installed OMS 2.3.8 and subsequently the OS 9
>>> Midisport drivers (basically followed the instructions on the
>>> M-Audio website as though I was running OS 9). Finally, I installed
>>> an1xedit (first 1.02 and just now 1.1). The short answer is: it works
>>> fine (both sending and receiving voices, real-time editing).
>
> WOW! It actually works?!? Using a dual G5 Running OS X 10.3.5 with 
> Classic 9.2.2 and OMS
> 2.3.8 along with the MIDISport_9-3.0.8 drivers and AN1xEdit v1.1
>
> Michiel, thanks for sharing your findings :-) Sorry to have been so 
> sceptical.
>
> I think it's fair to say something has changed with the update from 
> Jaguar to Panther.
>
> Exercise caution doing the install - the MIDISport install crashed my 
> G5 :-( Suggest you
> install OMS 2.3.8, restart Classic, THEN install the MIDISport drivers 
> and restart Classic
> again. I did one on top of the other - doh!, should have known better 
> - and had to
> perform a hard reset :-/
>
> Don't forget about the little 'bug' in AN1xEdit:
>
> From within AN1xEdit, under the Setup menu select the MIDI Port  
> Setup...toggle between
> any devices other than the AN1x from the MIDI Port Setup... dialog 
> then back again to
> AN1x will reestablish the dropped connection to OMS.
>
> I found the MIDISport 1x1 to be somewhat more reliable under Classic + 
> OS X using the
> 3.0.8 driver then the last time I tried it stand alone under OS 9 - 
> don't recall the driver
> version offhand, but I'll post back later when I find out :-/
>
> I'm only able to Send/Receive 2-8 Voices at a time reliably but 
> anymore than that will
> result in chronic 'Retry' prompts (which sometimes works!), but too 
> many Voices at once
> will crash both AN1xEdit and Classic. Save early and save often. FWIW, 
> I'm running the
> MIDISport off a powered USB hub NOT directly attached to a USB on the 
> G5. I'll have to try
> my Emagic MT4 to compare its reliability with the MIDISport 1x1.
>
> Obviously the FAQ is now in need of an update :-P Guess I'll have to 
> get off my butt next
> week and finish version 2.
>
> Jon
>
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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Pete Nalda <nalda@s...> wrote:
> I'm really glad to hear this as I'm using a Mac here on this end now 
> too.  I really need to hurry and get an interface now just so I can 
> back up my voices.  They're just a few organ sounds but I've worked 
> really hard on them to make them react like an organ with tabs or 
> drawbars would.


Okay, a couple more tidbits...

I installed the USB and OMS drivers for my Emagic MT4 under Classic (and did a restart) 
then configured a new Studio Setup Doc. AN1xEdit worked fine with the MT4 just as it did 
with the MIDISport 1x1. I found the MT4 more reliable than the MIDISport 1x1, but 
considering the price difference and my past experience with both vendors and I'm not 
surprised. If your funds are tight, go for the MIDISport 1x1 (it's only $40) - the MT4 is 
starting to show up on blowout on some websites but it's still more expensive then the 
1x1.

I ran a couple of tests.

First, I transfered voices from the AN1x to AN1xEdi as such: 8 voices individual voices, 
then 8 at once, then 16, the 32, then 64. Second, I performed a bulk dump of all 128 
voices. In both tests AN1xEdit did not crash under Classic, but after the first 12-16 voices 
the 'Retry' prompt occurs with some frequency. Just keep hitting the 'Retry' prompt and the  
dump will progress to the next voice after the current dump completes.

I also launced ReBirth under Classic and was able to 'teach' ReBirth the MIDI CC's 
transmitted from the AN1x Assign Knobs for the various parameters. There may very well 
be a way to route audio via ReWire from Classic to OS X, but darned if I know what how to 
make that work ;-)

---------------------
A few tips: 

First, you can't disable AppleTalk under Classic - you have to disable it from System 
Preferences > Network under OS X. If you don't run an AppleTalk network then you would 
have had no reason to enable this to begin with - I've been networking my old Mac with 
the new one so this is a minor inconvienance.

Second, under System Prefernces > Classic you might find it helpful to enable 'Show 
Classic status in menu bar' - this will allow you to use a shortcut from the menu bar in OS 
X to Start, Stop or Restart Classic AND it will display the 'Apple Menu Items' for Classic 
(very handy!)

Third, you don't HAVE to use AN1xEdit as a Librarian, you can use SysEx Librarian

http://www.snoize.com/SysExLibrarian/

native under OS X.

----------------------

You know, I'd been considering parting out my old 'BeigeG4' and selling it off on eBay and 
now this news makes that decision all the more likely!

regards,

Jon