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charles midi gfa pascal schrieb:
pewei think we got steinberg twenty - four v.3uploaded,its copy right ..???this atari stuff is getting real old,and cannot be found anywhere.
I´m pretty sure it is copyright protected, unless it´s on the Steini ftp legacy products server and declared as free.
I know, Avalon is on that server, but only for the guys who have a dongle and need a replacement disk content AFAIK.
In the case of Steini, probably there would be more on the server for download, but they lost the Atari stuff in a fire several years ago.
But maybe you have to differ between products/apps and the code itself eventually.
The Atari products they had in stock are definitely lost but I think the code is still there and I´m pretty sure all belongs to Yamaha now.
Not supporting a computer platform anymore and not selling the products for this platform doesn´t mean they don´t hold the rights.
At least it depends on if someone cares on this or not,- you never know.
Have in mind all the Steini apps need dongles, so if a program runs without a dongle, it´s a crack,- that´s a fact.
Also, it makes no sense to upload dongle protected software to any files sections if there is no dongle available.
As w/ every company in the pioneer times, all started like a small family which slowly grew up and 1st there was the idealism and money was 2nd row. I can imagine they worked a lot and hard and the income was small for years.
The 1st generation were freaky guys, musicians too,- and often there were more people existing who participated on the rights of the early generation programs as it is the case today where a monstrous companys hire the coders all over the world for a fee.
Most old coders of those companys are gone since years,- but did they abdicate their rights which they eventually had or have up to now ? Can be, cannot be ...
In fact, the old founders aren´t in the company today anymore and no one knows how the legal department of Yamaha behaves in such cases. Have in mind the possibility, the leaving guys got a compensation and all belongs to the trust now,- the knowledge, the experience and the creativity of the work of that people, the functionality, concept and graphical design of the apps,- everything you can imagine. All this generally can be used in upcoming products and concepts as part of a idea p.ex.
I´m surprised how many people think about the products of software developers in the terms of "separate products".
The Steini sequencers we have today are all based on the very 1st sequencer they started to develope, on the Commodore, then the Atari ST, the Falcon, then the Mac and PC.
The stuff grew up and changed, became more and more complex, audio came up, the code was ported to other platforms and so on, but there was a beginning and I don´t believe the intention of companies is to publish their knowledge for free.
And they want you to buy their todays products and not to use their old ones for free because these were good enough too,- and they were,- how in the world should we have recorded and produced succesfull music in the past,- just w/ midi, tape machines and SMPTE ?
That´s the way how economy works folks.
if somebody has some of this hard to find stuff, email me or put in files sections ,the atari midi needs no boundries!!charles