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Re: [ATARI-MIDI-ARCHIVES] Digest Number 370

2013-12-17 by Daniel Forró

Isn't it loss of time? There are zillions of Xmas songs MIDI files on  
the net... GM, GS, XG... some of them have very good arrangements.

Daniel Forro
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On 16 Dec, 2013, at 10:27 PM, atari-midi-archives@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> There are 2 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1a. Re: Question about Hotz Christmas Songs Vol. 1
>    From: Steve Weber
> 1b. Re: Question about Hotz Christmas Songs Vol. 1
>    From: charlie midi gfa
>
>
> Messages
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1a. Re: Question about Hotz Christmas Songs Vol. 1
>    Posted by: "Steve Weber" ittman_83687@... ittman_83687
>    Date: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:16 pm ((PST))
>
> To all who are concerned, or maybe just a question.  Many years when  
> the Hotz Player was popular back in the lated 90's, I had received  
> the Christmas Songs Vol. 1 from Hotz Interactive which I had  
> purchased many years around that time.  I would like to hear the  
> songs in midi foprmat because I really enjoy Christmas music around  
> The Christmas season.  Does anyone have a way for me to get these  
> songs into midi format?  When inserting the floppy disk, it says I  
> need the Hotz Translator II or the U Play Music programs, but they  
> are for outdated OS's.  I have downloaded the U Play Music demo for  
> my Windows ME computer, but still unable to play the files.  I can  
> send the setup file for the Christmas Music Vol. 1 I have on my  
> floppy disk if anyone can help.  I so wish they still had the Hotz  
> Player still around.  Thanks for listening.
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (2)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1b. Re: Question about Hotz Christmas Songs Vol. 1
>    Posted by: "charlie midi gfa" charles.copp@... charleschop
>    Date: Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:09 pm ((PST))
>
> i dont know but i think i have the hotz program
> and will be able to translate these into midi files for you
>
> you can send to my email and ill get back to you in a day or two
> charlie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Weber" <ittman_83687@...>
> To: <atari-midi-archives@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:16 PM
> Subject: [ATARI-MIDI-ARCHIVES] Re: Question about Hotz Christmas  
> Songs Vol.
> 1
>
>
> To all who are concerned, or maybe just a question. Many years when  
> the Hotz
> Player was popular back in the lated 90's, I had received the  
> Christmas
> Songs Vol. 1 from Hotz Interactive which I had purchased many years  
> around
> that time. I would like to hear the songs in midi foprmat because I  
> really
> enjoy Christmas music around The Christmas season. Does anyone have  
> a way
> for me to get these songs into midi format? When inserting the  
> floppy disk,
> it says I need the Hotz Translator II or the U Play Music programs,  
> but they
> are for outdated OS's. I have downloaded the U Play Music demo for my
> Windows ME computer, but still unable to play the files. I can send  
> the
> setup file for the Christmas Music Vol. 1 I have on my floppy disk  
> if anyone
> can help. I so wish they still had the Hotz Player still around.  
> Thanks for
> listening.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (2)
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>

Re: [ATARI-MIDI-ARCHIVES] Digest Number 370

2013-12-17 by Steve Weber

Not really Daniel, because when I first had heard these particular midi files, some of these arrangements sounded particularly like some brass quintet arrangements I had played before and was interested in seeing how they were scored.  Plus I really had enjoyed playing around with the Hotz Program on my computer.  Steve Weber



On Monday, December 16, 2013 5:48 PM, Daniel Forró <dan.for@...> wrote:
 
  
Isn't it loss of time? There are zillions of Xmas songs MIDI files on 
the net... GM, GS, XG... some of them have very good arrangements.

Daniel Forro
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On 16 Dec, 2013, at 10:27 PM, atari-midi-archives@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> There are 2 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1a. Re: Question about Hotz Christmas Songs Vol. 1
>    From: Steve Weber
> 1b. Re: Question about Hotz Christmas Songs Vol. 1
>    From: charlie midi gfa
>
>
> Messages
> __________________________________________________________
> 1a. Re: Question about Hotz Christmas Songs Vol. 1
>    Posted by: "Steve Weber" ittman_83687@... ittman_83687
>    Date: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:16 pm ((PST))
>
> To all who are concerned, or maybe just a question.  Many years when 
> the Hotz Player was popular back in the lated 90's, I had received 
> the Christmas Songs Vol. 1 from Hotz Interactive which I had 
> purchased many years around that time.  I would like to hear the 
> songs in midi foprmat because I really enjoy Christmas music around 
> The Christmas season.  Does anyone have a way for me to get these 
> songs into midi format?  When inserting the floppy disk, it says I 
> need the Hotz Translator II or the U Play Music programs, but they 
> are for outdated OS's.  I have downloaded the U Play Music demo for 
> my Windows ME computer, but still unable to play the files.  I can 
> send the setup file for the Christmas Music Vol. 1 I have on my 
> floppy disk if anyone can help.  I so wish they still had the Hotz 
> Player still around.  Thanks for listening.
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (2)
> __________________________________________________________
> 1b. Re: Question about Hotz Christmas Songs Vol. 1
>    Posted by: "charlie midi gfa" charles.copp@... charleschop
>    Date: Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:09 pm ((PST))
>
> i dont know but i think i have the hotz program
> and will be able to translate these into midi files for you
>
> you can send to my email and ill get back to you in a day or two
> charlie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Weber" <ittman_83687@...>
> To: <atari-midi-archives@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:16 PM
> Subject: [ATARI-MIDI-ARCHIVES] Re: Question about Hotz Christmas 
> Songs Vol.
> 1
>
>
> To all who are concerned, or maybe just a question. Many years when 
> the Hotz
> Player was popular back in the lated 90's, I had received the 
> Christmas
> Songs Vol. 1 from Hotz Interactive which I had purchased many years 
> around
> that time. I would like to hear the songs in midi foprmat because I 
> really
> enjoy Christmas music around The Christmas season. Does anyone have 
> a way
> for me to get these songs into midi format? When inserting the 
> floppy disk,
> it says I need the Hotz Translator II or the U Play Music programs, 
> but they
> are for outdated OS's. I have downloaded the U Play Music demo for my
> Windows ME computer, but still unable to play the files. I can send 
> the
> setup file for the Christmas Music Vol. 1 I have on my floppy disk 
> if anyone
> can help. I so wish they still had the Hotz Player still around. 
> Thanks for
> listening.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (2)
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>

Re: [ATARI-MIDI-ARCHIVES] Digest Number 370

2013-12-17 by David Wildsmith

Music is very personal.  I for one, understand your quest.





On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 12:15:00 AM, Steve Weber <ittman_83687@...> wrote:
 
  
Not really Daniel, because when I first had heard these particular midi files, some of these arrangements sounded particularly like some brass quintet arrangements I had played before and was interested in seeing how they were scored.  Plus I really had enjoyed playing around with the Hotz Program on my computer.  Steve Weber



On Monday, December 16, 2013 5:48 PM, Daniel Forró <dan.for@...> wrote:
 
  
Isn't it loss of time? There are zillions of Xmas songs MIDI files on 
the net... GM, GS, XG... some of them have very good arrangements.

Daniel Forro
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On 16 Dec, 2013, at 10:27 PM, atari-midi-archives@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> There are 2 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1a. Re: Question about Hotz Christmas Songs Vol. 1
>    From: Steve Weber
> 1b. Re: Question about Hotz Christmas Songs Vol. 1
>    From: charlie midi gfa
>
>
> Messages
> __________________________________________________________
> 1a. Re: Question about Hotz Christmas Songs Vol. 1
>    Posted by: "Steve Weber" ittman_83687@... ittman_83687
>    Date: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:16 pm ((PST))
>
> To all who are concerned, or maybe just a question.  Many years when 
> the Hotz Player was popular back in the lated 90's, I had received 
> the Christmas Songs Vol. 1 from Hotz Interactive which I had 
> purchased many years around that time.  I would like to hear the 
> songs in midi foprmat because I really enjoy Christmas music around 
> The Christmas season.  Does anyone have a way for me to get these 
> songs into midi format?  When inserting the floppy disk, it says I 
> need the Hotz Translator II or the U Play Music programs, but they 
> are for outdated OS's.  I have downloaded the U Play Music demo for 
> my Windows ME computer, but still unable to play the files.  I can 
> send the setup file for the Christmas Music Vol. 1 I have on my 
> floppy disk if anyone can help.  I so wish they still had the Hotz 
> Player still around.  Thanks for listening.
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (2)
> __________________________________________________________
> 1b. Re: Question about Hotz Christmas Songs Vol. 1
>    Posted by: "charlie midi gfa" charles.copp@... charleschop
>    Date: Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:09 pm ((PST))
>
> i dont know but i think i have the hotz program
> and will be able to translate these into midi files for you
>
> you can send to my email and ill get back to you in a day or two
> charlie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Weber" <ittman_83687@...>
> To: <atari-midi-archives@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:16 PM
> Subject: [ATARI-MIDI-ARCHIVES] Re: Question about Hotz Christmas 
> Songs Vol.
> 1
>
>
> To all who are concerned, or maybe just a question. Many years when 
> the Hotz
> Player was popular back in the lated 90's, I had received the 
> Christmas
> Songs Vol. 1 from Hotz Interactive which I had purchased many years 
> around
> that time. I would like to hear the songs in midi foprmat because I 
> really
> enjoy Christmas music around The Christmas season. Does anyone have 
> a way
> for me to get these songs into midi format? When inserting the 
> floppy disk,
> it says I need the Hotz Translator II or the U Play Music programs, 
> but they
> are for outdated OS's. I have downloaded the U Play Music demo for my
> Windows ME computer, but still unable to play the files. I can send 
> the
> setup file for the Christmas Music Vol. 1 I have on my floppy disk 
> if anyone
> can help. I so wish they still had the Hotz Player still around. 
> Thanks for
> listening.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (2)
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>

Re: [ATARI-MIDI-ARCHIVES] Digest Number 370

2013-12-17 by Daniel Forró

After some study about this particular software I see it's really something special and it can give interesting results. Question is how to convert data. I don't think it's possible to do directly from the floppy disk, if I understand well it uses special codes for scales, chords etc., and some kind of interactivity. I doubt the format was somewhere published...

So maybe the only possibility would be to record MIDI output from Hotz software to the second sequencer in real time, and save or export it as MIDI file. At least one version (variation) of the music could be done this way - it's possible when played for the second time, music will be somehow different in some details.

And if I'm not wrong this software is still offered for 199 USD, let's suppose it's a version for newer Windows... It still should be compatible with older data files, or not?

Daniel Forro

On 17 Dec, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Steve Weber wrote:

Not really Daniel, because when I first had heard these particular midi files, some of these arrangements sounded particularly like some brass quintet arrangements I had played before and was interested in seeing how they were scored. Plus I really had enjoyed playing around with the Hotz Program on my computer. Steve Weber


On Monday, December 16, 2013 5:48 PM, Daniel Forró <dan.for@...> wrote:
Isn't it loss of time? There are zillions of Xmas songs MIDI files on
the net... GM, GS, XG... some of them have very good arrangements.

Daniel Forro


Re: Hotz

2013-12-17 by Simon Kunath

Hi Daniel,
Did you find this page? 
Might be useful.

http://tamw.atari-users.net/hotz.htm

Regards
Simon

Re: [ATARI-MIDI-ARCHIVES] Digest Number 370

2013-12-17 by David Wildsmith

Come to think of it, Daniel, I would say you are right.  The Hotts controller's output would be like a combination of one of those keyboards (where you hold down one key and it jams in C major; hold down the key next to it and it jams in C minor) - and Band-In-A-Box.  

Expect much more musical, of course.  But your point about it's output being a bit different each time is probably correct.

This may be part of the magic of why Steven is trying to re-create it.

David




On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:49:29 AM, Daniel Forró <dan.for@...> wrote:
 
  
After some study about this particular software I see it's really something special and it can give interesting results. Question is how to convert data. I don't think it's possible to do directly from the floppy disk, if I understand well it uses special codes for scales, chords etc., and some kind of interactivity. I doubt the format was somewhere published... 

So maybe the only possibility would be to record MIDI output from Hotz software to the second sequencer in real time, and save or export it as MIDI file. At least one version (variation) of the music could be done this way - it's possible when played for the second time, music will be somehow different in some details.

And if I'm not wrong this software is still offered for 199 USD, let's suppose it's a version for newer Windows... It still should be compatible with older data files, or not?

Daniel Forro 

On 17 Dec, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Steve Weber wrote:

Not really Daniel, because when I first had heard these particular midi files, some of these arrangements sounded particularly like some brass quintet arrangements I had played before and was interested in seeing how they were scored.  Plus I really had enjoyed playing around with the Hotz Program on my computer.  Steve Weber
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>
>
>On Monday, December 16, 2013 5:48 PM, Daniel Forró <dan.for@tiscali.cz> wrote:
>
>Isn't it loss of time? There are zillions of Xmas songs MIDI files on 
>the net... GM, GS, XG... some of them have very good arrangements.
>
>Daniel Forro
>
>

Re: [ATARI-MIDI-ARCHIVES] Digest Number 370

2013-12-18 by Steve Weber

Yes Daniel - the floppy disk that I have is only a setup.exe file that will setup the Christmas Hotz midi files only as long as you have the  Hotz Trax 2, The Hotz Translator 2 Program , or the U Play Music Program on your computer.  And I do enjoy playing with the U Play Music demo program on my Windows Me computer, but don't think $ 199 is that cost effective in my book, and unfortunately, the setup file will not setup on the computer with just a demo program.  The U Play Music program allows you to play along with the program and using your keyboard that plays various notes from the given chord being played at the particular time.  And thanks for your input David.



On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:54 AM, David Wildsmith <davidwildsmith@...> wrote:
 
  
Come to think of it, Daniel, I would say you are right.  The Hotts controller's output would be like a combination of one of those keyboards (where you hold down one key and it jams in C major; hold down the key next to it and it jams in C minor) - and Band-In-A-Box.  

Expect much more musical, of course.  But your point about it's output being a bit different each time is probably correct.

This may be part of the magic of why Steven is trying to re-create it.

David




On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:49:29 AM, Daniel Forró <dan.for@...> wrote:
 
  
After some study about this particular software I see it's really something special and it can give interesting results. Question is how to convert data. I don't think it's possible to do directly from the floppy disk, if I understand well it uses special codes for scales, chords etc., and some kind of interactivity. I doubt the format was somewhere published... 

So maybe the only possibility would be to record MIDI output from Hotz software to the second sequencer in real time, and save or export it as MIDI file. At least one version (variation) of the music could be done this way - it's possible when played for the second time, music will be somehow different in some details.

And if I'm not wrong this software is still offered for 199 USD, let's suppose it's a version for newer Windows... It still should be compatible with older data files, or not?

Daniel Forro 

On 17 Dec, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Steve Weber wrote:

Not really Daniel, because when I first had heard these particular midi files, some of these arrangements sounded particularly like some brass quintet arrangements I had played before and was interested in seeing how they were scored.  Plus I really had enjoyed playing around with the Hotz Program on my computer.  Steve Weber
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>On Monday, December 16, 2013 5:48 PM, Daniel Forró <dan.for@...> wrote:
>
>Isn't it loss of time? There are zillions of Xmas songs MIDI files on 
>the net... GM, GS, XG... some of them have very good arrangements.
>
>Daniel Forro
>
>

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