AVR-Chat

Dennis Clark wrote:
> [See to end]
> 
> Wael Abd Elgilil wrote:
>> --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Clark <dlc@...> wrote:
>>
>>>   I feel an attack of "old fartism" coming on...  For those that have 
>>> kids and have seen "Clifford, The Big Red Dog", use the voice of the 
>>> fellow who talks about "when I was a boy..." here:
>>>
>>>   Back when I was a student we didn't have the WWW, we read books and 
>>> experimented using solderless breadboards.  <Sounds of gasps>"No WWW? 
>>> How did you survive?!"
>>>   Well, we read data sheets and looked at example code (if there was 
>>> any), then we (whisper quietly) hand-assembled code from assembly
>> sheets 
>>
>>> and keyed it in.  In other words, we learned to look data up and 
>>> interpret it.  This means you need to know the parts of a micro 
>>> controller and how it works.  I'm sure that your class has provided
>> said 
>>
>>> data sheets and manuals.  It is now up to you to "connect the dots" and 
>>> learn the steps we use in the real world to solve problems.  Getting 
>>> help is fine, asking for the answers without even trying to understand 
>>> the problem is going to lead you down the path to failure.  If you get 
>>> stuck and would like an explanation on some detail, we're happy to
>> help, 
>>
>>> there are some sticking points with the AVR controllers that are not 
>>> obvious to the beginner.
>>>
>>> Go for it and have fun,
>>> DLC
>>>
>>> mido glgl wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Tom Becker, 
>>>>        Me and Youssef are student in the same class and we are
>> begginer in MCU and try to study ,
>>
>>>> We begun but need for help
> 
> [snip]
> 
>> back they invented the lamp as they owned few tools , they do a great
>>  thing  , nowadays we have more tools so we should achieve more quickly  
>> by using any possible tools we have   
>>  
> 
>    That is a "slippery slope" argument.  You aren't using tools, you are 
> asking someone else to do the work without you understanding what was 
> done.  I could have leaned over and asked the guy next to me how he did 
> it, and copied it.  But I would not have learned anything and would have 
> failed the tests.  I saw this happen many times.  Do your own work, ask 
> your own questions.  By struggling through it you will learn something. 
>   We don't learn from our successes, we learn through our mistakes.
> 
> DLC

Let me add this:

Dear Wael, mido, et al:

The greatest tool you will ever own is already in your possession.  It 
is that computer behind your eyeballs.  Develop it.  Without it, all 
the other tools will be worthless, and in fact, could not even have 
been made.

-- 
erikc
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incompetence, gross negligence, misconduct and consistent failure
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in the till..."