AVR-Chat

I suspect, Tom, that you would have a different perspective on this 
subject if you were ever hit with a virus/worm/what-ever and put out of 
business for a period of time as our company was last year...for a month 
all we could do was manual record keeping, not to mention the data that 
were lost because it even got into backups before we knew what was 
happening.  Both hardware and software firewalls as well as virus 
scanners were in place.

But this too probably goes into the same category with those who feel 
it's okay to steal hardware designs, software, movies, music, and other 
intellectual property as is done daily just by downloading from other 
thieves...


REB


Thomas Keller wrote:

>On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 09:16 -0700, Dennis Clark wrote:
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>>Hmph, I'm starting to see a reason for the invention of William
>>Gibson's 
>>"Black Ice", which is a killing attack on viral or hacking attempts.
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>>think a visit with baseball bats is indeed in order, but not to the 
>>dweebs, hit 'em where it hurts, to their computers!  After we
>>discover 
>>all their handles and aliases of course.
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>   I understand and share the frsutration, and let's be honest, anger
>all of you feel regarding these attacks.  Let us keep our perspective,
>however.
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>   If we resort to what amounts to viliglantism, we are no better than
>those about whom we are complaining.  There are a variety of reasons
>this is true, but a few of the most important are:
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>1) we have no reasonable means of ensuring that the parties we retaliate
>against are truly the guilt parties (one of the greatest weaknesses of
>vigillantism).
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>2) we have no ethical authority upon which to base such counter-attacks.
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>  No.  If we are indeed going to take any action at all, it should be
>one  of intensive investigation, identification of the guilty parties
>the the extent possible, and contact with the ISPs of the guilty
>parties, and with the parents (if they are minors), threatening them
>with civil consequences if they fail to reign in their children's
>behaviour.
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>   Most ISPs, when provided with substantial evidence of such abuses,
>will not hesitate to rescind access to abusive users.
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>  While it may feel good emotionally to shout and make threats of
>physical violence, it is uncivilized and counter-productive to do so in
>public.,  It merely perpetuates the culture oif casual violence which
>led to the attacks in the first place.
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>Tom Keller
>aka avrFreak
>aka CurlyEars
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