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2005-07-29 by Jim Wagner
Just logged into Freaks site. Big window saying "Attacked by Banezz". Bloody sick! Jim --------------------------------------------------------------- The Think Different Store http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/ For All Your Mac Gear ---------------------------------------------------------------
2005-07-29 by Jesper Hansen
That's pretty sad, and judging from the messages and spelling and the page source, it's a typical script kiddie attack by either an 11 year old or a total retard (or both). These intelligence challenged wannabees really should go play with some high voltages instead. /Jesper ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Wagner" <jim_d_wagner@applelinks.net> To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:47 AM Subject: [AVR-Chat] Freaks Attacked > Just logged into Freaks site. Big window saying "Attacked > by Banezz". Bloody sick! > > Jim
2005-08-02 by alan_probandt
I read the AVRfreaks.org website often and often post answers to question messages (under a different name). I too am saddened to see its operation disrupted. Perhaps some of the more advanced technical web experts can track down the parties responsible for this attack so that they may be visited in person and persuaded to cease and desist from all future activity of this nature. I don't want to sound like a gangster. A better metaphor would be an FCC (the government oversight agency for broadcasting in the USA) visit to someone making pirate broadcasts on commercial frequencies from their home. They confiscate their equipment and explain the legal consequences of further violations. If this attack on our community website is the work of juvenile prankster, then the AVRfreaks should express our outrage to whoever has responsibility for this person's actions. If a student is responsible, e-mails from the AVR community all over the world calling for their expulsion should be sent to the school that they attend. A hacker-for-hire should be sued for damages in the civil court of the country of the hack's origin by an AVRfreak member who is a citizen of that country. We do have options and we don't have to take this kind of nonsense from these jerks. --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Hansen" <jesperh@t...> wrote: > That's pretty sad, and judging from the messages and spelling and the page > source, > it's a typical script kiddie attack by either an 11 year old or a total > retard (or both). > These intelligence challenged wannabees really should go play with some high
> voltages instead. > > /Jesper > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Wagner" <jim_d_wagner@a...> > To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:47 AM > Subject: [AVR-Chat] Freaks Attacked > > > > Just logged into Freaks site. Big window saying "Attacked > > by Banezz". Bloody sick! > > > > Jim
2005-08-02 by stevech
The Internet is becoming replete with petty vandals, cheats, swindlers great and small, and fools. Those of us who are not so, are increasingly victimized.
-----Original Message----- From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of alan_probandt Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:48 PM To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AVR-Chat] Re: Freaks Attacked I read the AVRfreaks.org website often and often post answers to question messages (under a different name). I too am saddened to see its operation disrupted. Perhaps some of the more advanced technical web experts can track down the parties responsible for this attack so that they may be visited in person and persuaded to cease and desist from all future activity of this nature. I don't want to sound like a gangster. A better metaphor would be an FCC (the government oversight agency for broadcasting in the USA) visit to someone making pirate broadcasts on commercial frequencies from their home. They confiscate their equipment and explain the legal consequences of further violations. If this attack on our community website is the work of juvenile prankster, then the AVRfreaks should express our outrage to whoever has responsibility for this person's actions. If a student is responsible, e-mails from the AVR community all over the world calling for their expulsion should be sent to the school that they attend. A hacker-for-hire should be sued for damages in the civil court of the country of the hack's origin by an AVRfreak member who is a citizen of that country. We do have options and we don't have to take this kind of nonsense from these jerks. --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Hansen" <jesperh@t...> wrote: > That's pretty sad, and judging from the messages and spelling and the page > source, > it's a typical script kiddie attack by either an 11 year old or a total > retard (or both). > These intelligence challenged wannabees really should go play with some high > voltages instead. > > /Jesper > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Wagner" <jim_d_wagner@a...> > To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:47 AM > Subject: [AVR-Chat] Freaks Attacked > > > > Just logged into Freaks site. Big window saying "Attacked > > by Banezz". Bloody sick! > > > > Jim Yahoo! Groups Links
2005-08-02 by Dennis Clark
Hmph, I'm starting to see a reason for the invention of William Gibson's "Black Ice", which is a killing attack on viral or hacking attempts. I think a visit with baseball bats is indeed in order, but not to the dweebs, hit 'em where it hurts, to their computers! After we discover all their handles and aliases of course. IMO, DLC alan_probandt wrote: > I read the AVRfreaks.org website often and often post answers to > question messages (under a different name). I too am saddened to see > its operation disrupted. > > Perhaps some of the more advanced technical web experts can track > down the parties responsible for this attack so that they may be > visited in person and persuaded to cease and desist from all future > activity of this nature. I don't want to sound like a gangster. A > better metaphor would be an FCC (the government oversight agency for > broadcasting in the USA) visit to someone making pirate broadcasts on > commercial frequencies from their home. They confiscate their > equipment and explain the legal consequences of further violations. > > If this attack on our community website is the work of juvenile > prankster, then the AVRfreaks should express our outrage to whoever > has responsibility for this person's actions. If a student is > responsible, e-mails from the AVR community all over the world calling > for their expulsion should be sent to the school that they attend. > A hacker-for-hire should be sued for damages in the civil court of the > country of the hack's origin by an AVRfreak member who is a citizen of > that country. > > We do have options and we don't have to take this kind of nonsense > from these jerks. > > --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Hansen" <jesperh@t...> wrote: > >>That's pretty sad, and judging from the messages and spelling and > > the page > >>source, >>it's a typical script kiddie attack by either an 11 year old or a total >>retard (or both). >>These intelligence challenged wannabees really should go play with > > some high > >>voltages instead. >> >>/Jesper >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jim Wagner" <jim_d_wagner@a...> >>To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:47 AM >>Subject: [AVR-Chat] Freaks Attacked >> >> >> >>>Just logged into Freaks site. Big window saying "Attacked >>>by Banezz". Bloody sick! >>> >>>Jim > -- --------------------------------------- Dennis Clark TTT Enterprises ---------------------------------------
2005-08-02 by Thomas Keller
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 09:16 -0700, Dennis Clark wrote: > Hmph, I'm starting to see a reason for the invention of William > Gibson's > "Black Ice", which is a killing attack on viral or hacking attempts. > I > think a visit with baseball bats is indeed in order, but not to the > dweebs, hit 'em where it hurts, to their computers! After we > discover > all their handles and aliases of course. I understand and share the frsutration, and let's be honest, anger all of you feel regarding these attacks. Let us keep our perspective, however. If we resort to what amounts to viliglantism, we are no better than those about whom we are complaining. There are a variety of reasons this is true, but a few of the most important are: 1) we have no reasonable means of ensuring that the parties we retaliate against are truly the guilt parties (one of the greatest weaknesses of vigillantism). 2) we have no ethical authority upon which to base such counter-attacks. No. If we are indeed going to take any action at all, it should be one of intensive investigation, identification of the guilty parties the the extent possible, and contact with the ISPs of the guilty parties, and with the parents (if they are minors), threatening them with civil consequences if they fail to reign in their children's behaviour. Most ISPs, when provided with substantial evidence of such abuses, will not hesitate to rescind access to abusive users. While it may feel good emotionally to shout and make threats of physical violence, it is uncivilized and counter-productive to do so in public., It merely perpetuates the culture oif casual violence which led to the attacks in the first place. Tom Keller aka avrFreak aka CurlyEars
2005-08-02 by Roy E. Burrage
I suspect, Tom, that you would have a different perspective on this subject if you were ever hit with a virus/worm/what-ever and put out of business for a period of time as our company was last year...for a month all we could do was manual record keeping, not to mention the data that were lost because it even got into backups before we knew what was happening. Both hardware and software firewalls as well as virus scanners were in place. But this too probably goes into the same category with those who feel it's okay to steal hardware designs, software, movies, music, and other intellectual property as is done daily just by downloading from other thieves... REB Thomas Keller wrote:
>On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 09:16 -0700, Dennis Clark wrote: > > >>Hmph, I'm starting to see a reason for the invention of William >>Gibson's >>"Black Ice", which is a killing attack on viral or hacking attempts. >>I >>think a visit with baseball bats is indeed in order, but not to the >>dweebs, hit 'em where it hurts, to their computers! After we >>discover >>all their handles and aliases of course. >> >> > > I understand and share the frsutration, and let's be honest, anger >all of you feel regarding these attacks. Let us keep our perspective, >however. > > If we resort to what amounts to viliglantism, we are no better than >those about whom we are complaining. There are a variety of reasons >this is true, but a few of the most important are: > >1) we have no reasonable means of ensuring that the parties we retaliate >against are truly the guilt parties (one of the greatest weaknesses of >vigillantism). > >2) we have no ethical authority upon which to base such counter-attacks. > > > No. If we are indeed going to take any action at all, it should be >one of intensive investigation, identification of the guilty parties >the the extent possible, and contact with the ISPs of the guilty >parties, and with the parents (if they are minors), threatening them >with civil consequences if they fail to reign in their children's >behaviour. > > Most ISPs, when provided with substantial evidence of such abuses, >will not hesitate to rescind access to abusive users. > > While it may feel good emotionally to shout and make threats of >physical violence, it is uncivilized and counter-productive to do so in >public., It merely perpetuates the culture oif casual violence which >led to the attacks in the first place. > > >Tom Keller >aka avrFreak >aka CurlyEars > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >
2005-08-03 by Lasse Madsen
Hi All, I have a problem and maybe you can help me. I've designed a board with two LM1117 LDO regulators which are set to 3.3V and 1.8V they work fine... except that they both draw 5.1mA in quiescent current which makes my battery driven application useless... (I know it is stated in the datasheet but I didn't think when I made the decision to use it) The housing for these monsters are TO-252 arranged in this way: Pin: 3 Voltage input 2 Voltage output 1 Adjust pin Where pin 2, is the tap and the footprint is viewed from above. I will never draw more than 75mA in my application on the 3.3V rail and about 5mA on the 1.8V rail If you've heard of any regulator with a lower quiescent current please speak up I've been searching the net for hours now but unable to find anything... Even a leaded TO92 style regulator would be fine as I'm desperate... Best regards Lasse Madsen
2005-08-03 by wbounce
In order to take any action you need to have access to the log files of at least the web servers and maybe routers/firewalls. Without them nothing is possible. Even with these if you can find the right information it will probably only lead you to the next victim in the chain where you again would need to have access to the logs etc. it is a process that could take some time. Chances are that even if the trail leads to a person's PC that person may themselves be a victim.
-----Original Message----- From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of alan_probandt Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:48 AM To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AVR-Chat] Re: Freaks Attacked I read the AVRfreaks.org website often and often post answers to question messages (under a different name). I too am saddened to see its operation disrupted. Perhaps some of the more advanced technical web experts can track down the parties responsible for this attack so that they may be visited in person and persuaded to cease and desist from all future activity of this nature. I don't want to sound like a gangster. A better metaphor would be an FCC (the government oversight agency for broadcasting in the USA) visit to someone making pirate broadcasts on commercial frequencies from their home. They confiscate their equipment and explain the legal consequences of further violations. If this attack on our community website is the work of juvenile prankster, then the AVRfreaks should express our outrage to whoever has responsibility for this person's actions. If a student is responsible, e-mails from the AVR community all over the world calling for their expulsion should be sent to the school that they attend. A hacker-for-hire should be sued for damages in the civil court of the country of the hack's origin by an AVRfreak member who is a citizen of that country. We do have options and we don't have to take this kind of nonsense from these jerks. --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Hansen" <jesperh@t...> wrote: > That's pretty sad, and judging from the messages and spelling and the page > source, > it's a typical script kiddie attack by either an 11 year old or a > total > retard (or both). > These intelligence challenged wannabees really should go play with some high > voltages instead. > > /Jesper > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Wagner" <jim_d_wagner@a...> > To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:47 AM > Subject: [AVR-Chat] Freaks Attacked > > > > Just logged into Freaks site. Big window saying "Attacked by > > Banezz". Bloody sick! > > > > Jim Yahoo! Groups Links
2005-08-03 by Francisco Silva
Check these: http://www.torex.co.jp/english/product/pro02/pro_02.html Farnell carries some of them. Regards, -- Francisco 2005/8/2, Lasse Madsen <Lasse.Madsen@elektronik.dk>: > Hi All, ..... snip .....
> If you've heard of any regulator with a lower quiescent current please speak > up I've been searching the net for hours now but unable to find anything... > > Even a leaded TO92 style regulator would be fine as I'm desperate... > > Best regards > Lasse Madsen
2005-08-03 by Pigeon
----- Original Message -----From: Thomas KellerSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:04 PMSubject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Freaks AttackedOn Tue, 2005-08-02 at 09:16 -0700, Dennis Clark wrote:
> Hmph, I'm starting to see a reason for the invention of William
> Gibson's
> "Black Ice", which is a killing attack on viral or hacking attempts.
> I
> think a visit with baseball bats is indeed in order, but not to the
> dweebs, hit 'em where it hurts, to their computers! After we
> discover
> all their handles and aliases of course.
I understand and share the frsutration, and let's be honest, anger
all of you feel regarding these attacks. Let us keep our perspective,
however.
If we resort to what amounts to viliglantism, we are no better than
those about whom we are complaining. There are a variety of reasons
this is true, but a few of the most important are:
1) we have no reasonable means of ensuring that the parties we retaliate
against are truly the guilt parties (one of the greatest weaknesses of
vigillantism).
2) we have no ethical authority upon which to base such counter-attacks.
No. If we are indeed going to take any action at all, it should be
one of intensive investigation, identification of the guilty parties
the the extent possible, and contact with the ISPs of the guilty
parties, and with the parents (if they are minors), threatening them
with civil consequences if they fail to reign in their children's
behaviour.
Most ISPs, when provided with substantial evidence of such abuses,
will not hesitate to rescind access to abusive users.
While it may feel good emotionally to shout and make threats of
physical violence, it is uncivilized and counter-productive to do so in
public., It merely perpetuates the culture oif casual violence which
led to the attacks in the first place.
Tom Keller
aka avrFreak
aka CurlyEars
2005-08-03 by stevech
I see in the news that the German court did NOT substantially punish the person who gleefully vandalized thousands of computers with a virus. This is distressing. I'll bet the judge has rarely or never relied on a computer and the Internet for his livelihood. _____
From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Roy E. Burrage
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:22 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Freaks Attacked
I suspect, Tom, that you would have a different perspective on this subject
if you were ever hit with a virus/worm/what-ever and put out of business for
a period of time as our company was last year...for a month all we could do
was manual record keeping, not to mention the data that were lost because it
even got into backups before we knew what was happening. Both hardware and
software firewalls as well as virus scanners were in place.
But this too probably goes into the same category with those who feel it's
okay to steal hardware designs, software, movies, music, and other
intellectual property as is done daily just by downloading from other
thieves...
REB
Thomas Keller wrote:
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 09:16 -0700, Dennis Clark wrote:
Hmph, I'm starting to see a reason for the invention of William
Gibson's
"Black Ice", which is a killing attack on viral or hacking attempts.
I
think a visit with baseball bats is indeed in order, but not to the
dweebs, hit 'em where it hurts, to their computers! After we
discover
all their handles and aliases of course.
I understand and share the frsutration, and let's be honest, anger
all of you feel regarding these attacks. Let us keep our perspective,
however.
If we resort to what amounts to viliglantism, we are no better than
those about whom we are complaining. There are a variety of reasons
this is true, but a few of the most important are:
1) we have no reasonable means of ensuring that the parties we retaliate
against are truly the guilt parties (one of the greatest weaknesses of
vigillantism).
2) we have no ethical authority upon which to base such counter-attacks.
No. If we are indeed going to take any action at all, it should be
one of intensive investigation, identification of the guilty parties
the the extent possible, and contact with the ISPs of the guilty
parties, and with the parents (if they are minors), threatening them
with civil consequences if they fail to reign in their children's
behaviour.
Most ISPs, when provided with substantial evidence of such abuses,
will not hesitate to rescind access to abusive users.
While it may feel good emotionally to shout and make threats of
physical violence, it is uncivilized and counter-productive to do so in
public., It merely perpetuates the culture oif casual violence which
led to the attacks in the first place.
Tom Keller
aka avrFreak
aka CurlyEars
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_____2005-08-03 by Zack Widup
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Pigeon wrote: > I say beat them! :) > No, I say give them 20 years in the electric chair and then hamg them. :-) The problem with these people is they're extremely difficult to pin down. Hopefully as technology advances we will also develop better ways of tracking down the people who do these sort of things. Zack
2005-08-03 by Kevin
Well, heck. Lets get busy! Lone gunmen though will have problems back-tracking the dweebs. We'll need permission to sniff logs and such. Practically it will require bots or crawlers that will sniff back the trail to the goobers. Hmm. A combination of 'net worm and web bot, hmm... DLC Zack Widup wrote: > On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Pigeon wrote: > > >>I say beat them! :) >> > > > No, I say give them 20 years in the electric chair and then hamg them. :-) > > The problem with these people is they're extremely difficult to pin down. > Hopefully as technology advances we will also develop better ways of > tracking down the people who do these sort of things. > > Zack > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------- Dennis Clark TTT Enterprises www.techtoystoday.com -------------------------------------------------