RE: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone?
2014-05-02 by Mike Bronosky
I use Ubuntu, a distro of Linux, almost exclusively. The last I looked at AS it wasn't available for Linux.
Mike
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RE: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone?
Re: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone?
2014-05-02 by Jim Wagner
Correct, and I have been told that it will not work on wine.
However, there are versions of the up to date toolchain (command line) that have been prepared for several flavors of linux by Bingo600. He has been doing an excellent job of keeping that current. See: http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=42631 While the topic appears old, it has been updated many times.
Jim Wagner
Oregon Research Electronics
On May 2, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Mike Bronosky wrote:
I use Ubuntu, a distro of Linux, almost exclusively. The last I looked at AS it wasn't available for Linux.
Mike
Free IDE for any micro-Controller family (was: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone?)
2014-05-02 by Cat C
So, so far everybody that CAN use it (sorry Windows challenged people :-) has no better freeware alternative for ANY micro-controller family out there.
I've used CooCox a little and I can't say it's bad but it has "holes" in coverage and porting samples is a PITA.
Some versions seem to work and other break things.
I followed instructions to make an Eclipse environment for an STM chip that also sort of works.
It took a long time, and it's not so easy to use and not all of it works and I'm afraid of breaking it every time I use it.
So Atmel Studio (any version) wins hands down as there is nothing else that even compares, at least for people who are not Eclipse/build tools (or alternative) specialists :-)
Stop whining :-)
Cat
I've used CooCox a little and I can't say it's bad but it has "holes" in coverage and porting samples is a PITA.
Some versions seem to work and other break things.
I followed instructions to make an Eclipse environment for an STM chip that also sort of works.
It took a long time, and it's not so easy to use and not all of it works and I'm afraid of breaking it every time I use it.
So Atmel Studio (any version) wins hands down as there is nothing else that even compares, at least for people who are not Eclipse/build tools (or alternative) specialists :-)
Stop whining :-)
Cat
RE: Free IDE for any micro-Controller family (was: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone?)
2014-05-03 by Dave McLaughlin
I concur, it still needs work.
Try creating and empty project and drop in all the libraries you need. At this point a proper compiler will build without any errors, at least those that don't need any special defines for some libraries. Codevision for example will compile without errors for any Code wizard builds.
But Coocox fails with lots of errors in the code itself. It takes a fair bit of work to get it going.
Dave…
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From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cat C
Sent: 03 May 2014 02:54
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Free IDE for any micro-Controller family (was: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone?)
I've used CooCox a little and I can't say it's bad but it has "holes" in coverage and porting samples is a PITA.
Some versions seem to work and other break things.
Cat
IDE and toolchains (was re: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone?)
2014-05-03 by Steve Boak
Another lurker here...
I've been using several of the ATmega series chips for the last year or so since I decided to abandon my retirement and get back into hardware and software design to save my brain from fading away. So far it's working :-)
I have spent 30-odd years working in assembler and C with 8080's and 68000's, through windows programming which I disliked, back to 'pure' C coding embedded micros and avr-gcc.
I can't say I ever got the hang of AVR Studio. I don't like the way it gets in my way talking directly to the hardware.
My platform of choice these days is KDevelop on Debian Linux (KDE desktop). KDevelop is relatively easy to configure to use avr-gcc compiler and avrdude programmer. With not too much work a makefile can be created which allows one- button compile and download functionality. KDevelop has a fairly easy project management system and smart code editor with all the handy stuff like syntax highlighting and code completion. Both the IDE and compiler toolchain are included as Debian installer packages.
When working on a Mac laptop I use Eclipse with the same toolchain, but I find Eclipse much harder to customise to my liking. Unfortunately the current Eclipse website is incomprehensible and almost impossible to navigate if all you want is to find out about the IDE.
http://www.nongnu.org/avr-libc/
http://kdevelop.org/
http://www.eclipse.org/
Steve
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Re: Free IDE for any micro-Controller family (was: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone?)
2014-05-03 by Martin McKee
Actually, the LPCXpresso IDE is quite usable and stable, at this point ( version 7.0 ). It is Eclipse based, so there is some bloat and it's not as quick as it absolutely could be, but it handles the creation of C and C++ applications and libraries well, debugging progresses without incident, and it is updated regularly to fix bugs and support the latest devices. Of course, it isn't all roses. It only supports the NXP LPC series ARM devices, so you are stuck with those ( although, I like them, and am perfectly willing to pay the slight premium for my low-volume work ). Also, the free version is debug limited to 256k. In cases that smaller devices are sufficient ( almost all of the work that I do ), that is well more than enough; were it not, one can buy the Pro version, but it certainly isn't free. Against that, there is the fact that ( being Eclipse based ) it runs on Windows/Mac/Linux, and installation ( on Linux, at any rate ) is dead simple. It just works.
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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Dave McLaughlin <dave@embeddedcomputer.co.uk> wrote:
I concur, it still needs work.
Try creating and empty project and drop in all the libraries you need. At this point a proper compiler will build without any errors, at least those that don't need any special defines for some libraries. Codevision for example will compile without errors for any Code wizard builds.
But Coocox fails with lots of errors in the code itself. It takes a fair bit of work to get it going.
Dave…
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From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cat C
Sent: 03 May 2014 02:54
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Free IDE for any micro-Controller family (was: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone?)
I've used CooCox a little and I can't say it9;s bad but it has "holes" in coverage and porting samples is a PITA.Cat
Some versions seem to work and other break things.
RE: Free IDE for any micro-Controller family (was: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone?)
2014-05-03 by Cat C
If it's limited I think it doesn't really count.
One may spend years getting to know it and growing with it only to have to spend thousands when the limit is reached.
One may spend years getting to know it and growing with it only to have to spend thousands when the limit is reached.
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From: martinjaymckee@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 08:37:20 -0600
Subject: Re: Free IDE for any micro-Controller family (was: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone?)
From: martinjaymckee@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 08:37:20 -0600
Subject: Re: Free IDE for any micro-Controller family (was: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone?)
Actually, the LPCXpresso IDE is quite usable and stable, at this point ( version 7.0 ). It is Eclipse based, so there is some bloat and it's not as quick as it absolutely could be, but it handles the creation of C and C++ applications and libraries well, debugging progresses without incident, and it is updated regularly to fix bugs and support the latest devices. Of course, it isn't all roses. It only supports the NXP LPC series ARM devices, so you are stuck with those ( although, I like them, and am perfectly willing to pay the slight premium for my low-volume work ). Also, the free version is debug limited to 256k. In cases that smaller devices are sufficient ( almost all of the work that I do ), that is well more than enough; were it not, one can buy the Pro version, but it certainly isn't free. Against that, there is the fact that ( being Eclipse based ) it runs on Windows/Mac/Linux, and installation ( on Linux, at any rate ) is dead simple. It just works.
Martin Jay McKeeRE: Free I DE for any micro-Con troller fa mily (was: [AVR-Chat ] Where ha s everyone gone?)
2014-05-03 by larryvc@hotmail.com
LPCXpresso Pro is only US $495.00 for a single user license, not the thousands that you mention. We have done some very large projects here and have yet to need the Pro version.
@JS, I am still alive and well. Super busy these days.
Re: [AVR-Chat] RE: Free I DE for any micro-Con troller fa mily (was: [AVR-Chat ] Where ha s everyone gone?â)
2014-05-03 by John Samperi
At 04:42 AM 4/05/2014, you wrote: >@JS, I am still alive and well. Super busy these days. I'm glad on all accounts. :-) Regards John Samperi ******************************************************** Ampertronics Pty. Ltd. 11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA Tel. (02) 9674-6495 Website http://www.ampertronics.com.au *Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly ********************************************************
Re: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone?
2014-05-04 by Philippe Habib
I'm using 6.2 and I can vouch for the slowness of it. Booting is slow and responsiveness is bad enough that I've repeated commands thinking they got lost. I haven't figured out how to get DS 6 to have libraries outside of the project the way I did with IAR. Having libraries in the project and having to update multiple projects sort of runs against what libraries are supposed to do for you. I've also used a couple of the free Eclipse based IDEs for TI, Silabs, and ST Micro. They're not as slow as Dev Studio 6, but I'm still getting used to them as far as commands and usage.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Wagner" <wagnejam99@comcast.net> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 11:47:40 AM Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Where has everyone gone? Correct, and I have been told that it will not work on wine. However, there are versions of the up to date toolchain (command line) that have been prepared for several flavors of linux by Bingo600. He has been doing an excellent job of keeping that current. See: http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=42631 While the topic appears old, it has been updated many times. Jim Wagner Oregon Research Electronics On May 2, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Mike Bronosky wrote: I use Ubuntu, a distro of Linux, almost exclusively. The last I looked at AS it wasn't available for Linux. Mike
Re: [AVR-Chat] RE: Free I DE for any micro-Con troller fa mily (was: [AVR-Chat ] Where ha s everyone gone?)
2014-05-04 by Martin McKee
I would certainly agree that "limited" versions are useless. However, given that very likely half of all LPC series products come in well under the 256k debug limit, I feel it is perfectly reasonable to consider. I guess I would think of the free version of LPCXpresso as "constrained," not "limited."
And, it's not the same, of course. But it is a debug/emulation limit. It will happily compile projects of any size. It's then up to the user to get it into the product though. And you'd better hope it works. But, it might still allow for fewer Pro seats needed.Martin Jay McKee
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On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:42 PM, <larryvc@hotmail.com> wrote:
LPCXpresso Pro is only US $495.00 for a single user license, not the thousands that you mention. We have done some very large projects here and have yet to need the Pro version.
@JS, I am still alive and well. Super busy these days.
Re: [AVR-Chat] RE: Free I DE for any micro-Con troller fa mily (was: [AVR-Chat ] Where ha s everyone gone?†)
2014-05-04 by Martin McKee
The bloat is not as bad as AS6. AS6 looks to be about twice the size. It's not small though, nor as zippy as it could be if they had reduced the "slickness" factor of the UI.
Martin Jay McKee
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On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM, John Samperi <samperi@ampertronics.com.au> wrote:
At 04:42 AM 4/05/2014, you wrote:
>@JS, I am still alive and well. Super busy these days.
I'm glad on all accounts. :-)
Regards
John Samperi
********************************************************
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
Tel. (02) 9674-6495
Website http://www.ampertronics.com.au
*Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly
********************************************************
Re: [AVR-Chat] RE: Free I DE for any micro-Con troller fa mily (was: [AVR-Chat ] Where ha s everyone gone?)
2014-05-04 by Jim Wagner
To dredge up an old-horse, of sorts, any recommendations for free IDE for 8051 family? Or, even a compiler and programming mechanism that works?
Thanks
Jim Wagner
Oregon Research Electronics
On May 3, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Martin McKee wrote:
I would certainly agree that "limited" versions are useless. However, given that very likely half of all LPC series products come in well under the 256k debug limit, I feel it is perfectly reasonable to consider. I guess I would think of the free version of LPCXpresso as "constrained," not "limited."And, it's not the same, of course. But it is a debug/emulation limit. It will happily compile projects of any size. It's then up to the user to get it into the product though. And you'd better hope it works. But, it might still allow for fewer Pro seats needed.
Martin Jay McKeeOn Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:42 PM, <larryvc@hotmail.com> wrote:
LPCXpresso Pro is only US $495.00 for a single user license, not the thousands that you mention. We have done some very large projects here and have yet to need the Pro version.
@JS, I am still alive and well. Super busy these days.
Re: [AVR-Chat] RE: Free I DE for any micro-Con troller fa mily
2014-05-04 by tim gilbert
Everyone,
When will the chip manufacturers realize that they're selling chips and not software?
Having worked for a major semiconductor house, I can tell you that the cost of spinning a new chip completely dwarfs the cost of developing a complete IDE from scratch!
The first micro manufacturer that decides to "give away the razor and sell them the blades" will crush everyone else!
Tim
When will the chip manufacturers realize that they're selling chips and not software?
Having worked for a major semiconductor house, I can tell you that the cost of spinning a new chip completely dwarfs the cost of developing a complete IDE from scratch!
The first micro manufacturer that decides to "give away the razor and sell them the blades" will crush everyone else!
Tim
-- Tim Gilbert JEM Innovation Inc. 303-926-9053 (office) 303-437-4342 (cell) www.jeminnovation.com www.pdksolutions.com
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On 5/3/2014 7:05 PM, Jim Wagner wrote:
To dredge up an old-horse, of sorts, any recommendations for free IDE for 8051 family? Or, even a compiler and programming mechanism that works?
Thanks
Jim WagnerOregon Research Electronics
On May 3, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Martin McKee wrote:
I would certainly agree that "limited" versions are useless. However, given that very likely half of all LPC series products come in well under the 256k debug limit, I feel it is perfectly reasonable to consider. I guess I would think of the free version of LPCXpresso as "constrained," not "limited."And, it's not the same, of course. But it is a debug/emulation limit. It will happily compile projects of any size. It's then up to the user to get it into the product though. And you'd better hope it works. But, it might still allow for fewer Pro seats needed.
Martin Jay McKee
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:42 PM, <larryvc@hotmail.com> wrote:
LPCXpresso Pro is only US $495.00 for a single user license, not the thousands that you mention. We have done some very large projects here and have yet to need the Pro version.
@JS, I am still alive and well. Super busy these days.
Re: [AVR-Chat] RE: Free I DE for any micro-Con troller fa mily
2014-05-04 by Jim Wagner
Atmel has done that, and so far, they are not crushing anyone.
Jim Wagner
Oregon Research Electronics
On May 3, 2014, at 7:36 PM, tim gilbert wrote:
Everyone,
When will the chip manufacturers realize that they're selling chips and not software?
Having worked for a major semiconductor house, I can tell you that the cost of spinning a new chip completely dwarfs the cost of developing a complete IDE from scratch!
The first micro manufacturer that decides to "give away the razor and sell them the blades" will crush everyone else!
Tim
-- Tim Gilbert JEM Innovation Inc. 303-926-9053 (office) 303-437-4342 (cell) www.jeminnovation.com www.pdksolutions.com
On 5/3/2014 7:05 PM, Jim Wagner wrote:
To dredge up an old-horse, of sorts, any recommendations for free IDE for 8051 family? Or, even a compiler and programming mechanism that works?
Thanks
Jim WagnerOregon Research Electronics
On May 3, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Martin McKee wrote:
I would certainly agree that "limited" versions are useless. However, given that very likely half of all LPC series products come in well under the 256k debug limit, I feel it is perfectly reasonable to consider. I guess I would think of the free version of LPCXpresso as "constrained," not "limited."And, it's not the same, of course. But it is a debug/emulation limit. It will happily compile projects of any size. It's then up to the user to get it into the product though. And you'd better hope it works. But, it might still allow for fewer Pro seats needed.
Martin Jay McKee
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:42 PM, <larryvc@hotmail.com> wrote:
LPCXpresso Pro is only US $495.00 for a single user license, not the thousands that you mention. We have done some very large projects here and have yet to need the Pro version.
@JS, I am still alive and well. Super busy these days.
Re: [AVR-Chat] RE: Free I DE for any micro-Con troller fa mily
2014-05-04 by tim gilbert
This thread started with people complaining about the short comings
of AVR studio 6. I tried it a year or so ago and after a week of
frustration, sent a payment to codevision for the upgrade.
So let me qualify: when someone comes out with a razor that doesn't leave your skin raw, they will crush everyone else.
Tim
So let me qualify: when someone comes out with a razor that doesn't leave your skin raw, they will crush everyone else.
Tim
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On 5/3/2014 8:45 PM, Jim Wagner wrote:
Atmel has done that, and so far, they are not crushing anyone.
Jim WagnerOregon Research Electronics
On May 3, 2014, at 7:36 PM, tim gilbert wrote:
Everyone,
When will the chip manufacturers realize that they're selling chips and not software?
Having worked for a major semiconductor house, I can tell you that the cost of spinning a new chip completely dwarfs the cost of developing a complete IDE from scratch!
The first micro manufacturer that decides to "give away the razor and sell them the blades" will crush everyone else!
Tim
-- Tim Gilbert JEM Innovation Inc. 303-926-9053 (office) 303-437-4342 (cell) www.jeminnovation.com www.pdksolutions.com
On 5/3/2014 7:05 PM, Jim Wagner wrote:
To dredge up an old-horse, of sorts, any recommendations for free IDE for 8051 family? Or, even a compiler and programming mechanism that works?
Thanks
Jim WagnerOregon Research Electronics
On May 3, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Martin McKee wrote:
I would certainly agree that "limited" versions are useless. However, given that very likely half of all LPC series products come in well under the 256k debug limit, I feel it is perfectly reasonable to consider. I guess I would think of the free version of LPCXpresso as "constrained," not "limited."And, it's not the same, of course. But it is a debug/emulation limit. It will happily compile projects of any size. It's then up to the user to get it into the product though. And you'd better hope it works. But, it might still allow for fewer Pro seats needed.
Martin Jay McKee
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:42 PM, <larryvc@hotmail.com> wrote:
LPCXpresso Pro is only US $495.00 for a single user license, not the thousands that you mention. We have done some very large projects here and have yet to need the Pro version.
@JS, I am still alive and well. Super busy these days.
-- Tim Gilbert JEM Innovation Inc. 303-926-9053 (office) 303-437-4342 (cell) www.jeminnovation.com www.pdksolutions.com
Re: [AVR-Chat] RE: Free I DE for any micro-Con troller fa mily (was: [AVR-Chat ] Where ha s everyone gone?)
2014-05-04 by Pradumn Joshi
Hello Jim,
I used MCU 8051 IDE earlier although my experience with 8051 was limited and have no idea with new developments in core(integration of RF and other modern peheriperals and higher clock frequencies last I heard).
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On Sunday, May 4, 2014 6:35 AM, Jim Wagner <wagnejam99@comcast.net> wrote:
To dredge up an old-horse, of sorts, any recommendations for free IDE for 8051 family? Or, even a compiler and programming mechanism that works?
Thanks
Jim Wagner
Oregon Research ElectronicsShow quoted textHide quoted text
On May 3, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Martin McKee wrote: > > >I would certainly agree that "limited" versions are useless. However, given that very likely half of all LPC series products come in well under the 256k debug limit, I feel it is perfectly reasonable to consider. I guess I would think of the free version of LPCXpresso as "constrained," not "limited." > >And, it's not the same, of course. But it is a debug/emulation limit. It will happily compile projects of any size. It's then up to the user to get it into the product though. And you'd better hope it works. But, it might still allow for fewer Pro seats needed. > > >Martin Jay McKee > > > > >On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:42 PM, <larryvc@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> >> >>LPCXpresso Pro is only US $495.00 for a single user license, not the thousands that you mention. We have done some very large projects here and have yet to need the Pro version. >> >> >>@JS, I am still alive and well. Super busy these days. >> >> >> > > >
Re: [AVR-Chat] RE: Free I DE for any micro-Con troller fa mily (was: [AVR-Chat ] Where ha s everyone gone?)
2014-05-04 by Jim Wagner
Thanks
Jim
On May 3, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Pradumn Joshi wrote:
Hello Jim,; I used MCU 8051 IDE earlier although my experience with 8051 was limited and have no idea with new developments in core(integration of RF and other modern peheriperals and higher clock frequencies last I heard).On Sunday, May 4, 2014 6:35 AM, Jim Wagner <wagnejam99@comcast.net> wrote:
To dredge up an old-horse, of sorts, any recommendations for free IDE for 8051 family? Or, even a compiler and programming mechanism that works?ThanksJim WagnerOregon Research ElectronicsOn May 3, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Martin McKee wrote:I would certainly agree that "limited" versions are useless. However, given that very likely half of all LPC series products come in well under the 256k debug limit, I feel it is perfectly reasonable to consider. I guess I would think of the free version of LPCXpresso as "constrained," not "limited."And, it's not the same, of course. ; But it is a debug/emulation limit. It will happily compile projects of any size. It's then up to the user to get it into the product though. And you'd better hope it works. But, it might still allow for fewer Pro seats needed.
Martin Jay McKeeOn Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:42 PM, <larryvc@hotmail.com> wrote:
LPCXpresso Pro is only US $495.00 for a single user license, not the thousands that you mention. We have done some very large projects here and have yet to need the Pro version.@JS, I am still alive and well. Super busy these days.