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soldering iron

2005-01-12 by Eric

Has anybody heard of these soldering irons?
Hope it not iron you throw out after 100 solder joints (if you get the flow)



An interesting soldering iron - The Cold Heat Soldering Tool is a cordless
tool that heats quickly and cools down nearly as fast. It creates the heat
right in the proprietary tip material, making the tool 20 times more
efficient than the average conventional soldering iron. The tip reaches
500ºF in less than 1 second for many types of joints and cools to the touch
in 1-5 seconds so you can put it away - without any waiting.

More info @ http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/69d3/





From Eric

Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron

2005-01-12 by Dave VanHorn

At 02:40 PM 1/12/2005, Eric wrote:


>Has anybody heard of these soldering irons?
>Hope it not iron you throw out after 100 solder joints (if you get the flow)

Cute, but I wouldn't use it for electronics.
It works by pumping large currents through the things that it's heating.

Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron

2005-01-12 by Ralph Hilton

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:40:32 +1300 you wrote:

>
>Has anybody heard of these soldering irons?
>Hope it not iron you throw out after 100 solder joints (if you get the flow)
>
>
>
>An interesting soldering iron - The Cold Heat Soldering Tool is a cordless
>tool that heats quickly and cools down nearly as fast. It creates the heat
>right in the proprietary tip material, making the tool 20 times more
>efficient than the average conventional soldering iron. The tip reaches
>500ºF in less than 1 second for many types of joints and cools to the touch
>in 1-5 seconds so you can put it away - without any waiting.
>
>More info @ http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/69d3/

Looks disgusting!

I just tried setting my iron to 500F and I'm sure it woud create lots of bad
joints as standard solder only melts at 460F.

I usually use around 650F for soldering - it gives very fast reliable joints.


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Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron

2005-01-12 by Dave VanHorn

>
>Looks disgusting!
>
>I just tried setting my iron to 500F and I'm sure it woud create lots of bad
>joints as standard solder only melts at 460F.
>
>I usually use around 650F for soldering - it gives very fast reliable joints.
>
>
>--
>Ralph Hilton
>http://www.ralphhilton.org
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Freezoner AND AVR freak!  How bizarre!

Also: Don't you use 63/37 eutectic solder? I thought everyone did.

Do I see an AVR based E-Meter in the offing?

Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron

2005-01-12 by Jeffrey Engel

I got one for Christmas, but haven't had it out of the
box. . .  It's powered by 4 AA cells, so I think it's
going to be very 'power limited'.

Jeff Engel
Arlington, TX
--- Eric <erichards@clear.net.nz> wrote:

> 
> Has anybody heard of these soldering irons?
> Hope it not iron you throw out after 100 solder
> joints (if you get the flow)
> 
> 
> 
> An interesting soldering iron - The Cold Heat
> Soldering Tool is a cordless
> tool that heats quickly and cools down nearly as
> fast. It creates the heat
> right in the proprietary tip material, making the
> tool 20 times more
> efficient than the average conventional soldering
> iron. The tip reaches
> 500�F in less than 1 second for many types of joints
> and cools to the touch
> in 1-5 seconds so you can put it away - without any
> waiting.
> 
> More info @
> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/69d3/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From Eric
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> 
>     AVR-Chat-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> 
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> 
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> 


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Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron

2005-01-12 by Ralph Hilton

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:47:14 -0500 Dave VanHorn <dvanhorn@dvanhorn.org> wrote:

>>
>>Looks disgusting!
>>
>>I just tried setting my iron to 500F and I'm sure it woud create lots of bad
>>joints as standard solder only melts at 460F.
>>
>>I usually use around 650F for soldering - it gives very fast reliable joints.
>>
>>
>>--
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>>http://www.ralphhilton.org
>>C-Meter: http://www.cmeter.org
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>
>Freezoner AND AVR freak!  How bizarre!

Perhaps even unique:-)

>Also: Don't you use 63/37 eutectic solder? I thought everyone did.

I used to - I don't actually notice much difference. Mostly I use 0.46mm 60/40
and it melts instantly. Soon it gets worse with lead free solder regulations
coming in.

>Do I see an AVR based E-Meter in the offing? 

Indeed so! 

Dual ATmega32 processors, PLED display, LTC2440 A/D converter, DS1302 RTC,
optically isolated RS232 interface to display on a PC and lots of other goodies.
I think it'll be ready in about 4 weeks.
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Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron

2005-01-12 by Dave VanHorn

>
> >Freezoner AND AVR freak!  How bizarre!
>
>Perhaps even unique:-)

No stranger to ARS here.

> >Also: Don't you use 63/37 eutectic solder? I thought everyone did.
>
>I used to - I don't actually notice much difference. Mostly I use 0.46mm 60/40
>and it melts instantly. Soon it gets worse with lead free solder regulations
>coming in.

Errgg.. Don't remind me.

Actually, there is a large temperature difference, plus it's about 
impossible to make a "cold" joint with 63/37. All the assembly houses use it.

>Dual ATmega32 processors, PLED display, LTC2440 A/D converter, DS1302 RTC,
>optically isolated RS232 interface to display on a PC and lots of other 
>goodies.
>I think it'll be ready in about 4 weeks.

You PTS you! :)

Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron

2005-01-13 by Kathy Quinlan

Ralph Hilton wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:47:14 -0500 Dave VanHorn <dvanhorn@dvanhorn.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>Looks disgusting!
>>>
>>>I just tried setting my iron to 500F and I'm sure it woud create lots of bad
>>>joints as standard solder only melts at 460F.
>>>
>>>I usually use around 650F for soldering - it gives very fast reliable joints.
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Ralph Hilton
>>>http://www.ralphhilton.org
>>>C-Meter: http://www.cmeter.org
>>>FZAOINT http://www.fzaoint.net
>>
>>Freezoner AND AVR freak!  How bizarre!
> 
> 
> Perhaps even unique:-)
> 
> 
>>Also: Don't you use 63/37 eutectic solder? I thought everyone did.
> 
> 
> I used to - I don't actually notice much difference. Mostly I use 0.46mm 60/40
> and it melts instantly. Soon it gets worse with lead free solder regulations
> coming in.
> 
> 
>>Do I see an AVR based E-Meter in the offing? 
> 
> 
> Indeed so! 
> 
> Dual ATmega32 processors, PLED display, LTC2440 A/D converter, DS1302 RTC,
> optically isolated RS232 interface to display on a PC and lots of other goodies.
> I think it'll be ready in about 4 weeks.
> --
> Ralph Hilton
> http://www.ralphhilton.org
> C-Meter: http://www.cmeter.org
> FZAOINT http://www.fzaoint.net
> 
> 
>  
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> 
> 
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Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron

2005-01-13 by Kathy Quinlan

Dave VanHorn wrote:

> 
>>>Freezoner AND AVR freak!  How bizarre!
>>
>>Perhaps even unique:-)
> 
> 
> No stranger to ARS here.

ARS ???

Regards,

Kat.

PS sorry for the last message, lack of coffee induced premature click ;)


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Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron

2005-01-13 by Ralph Hilton

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:02:13 +0800 you wrote:

>
>Dave VanHorn wrote:
>
>> 
>>>>Freezoner AND AVR freak!  How bizarre!
>>>
>>>Perhaps even unique:-)
>> 
>> 
>> No stranger to ARS here.
>
>ARS ???
>
>Regards,
>
>Kat.

ARS = the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology

I practice Scientology outside the somewhat money grabbing so called Church of
Scientology as I have personally found many of the basic beliefs to be workable
for me.

I would rather refrain from introducing religion into a list that has nothing to
do with it.

I am happy to respond to questions in private mail on the subject but have no
interest in seeking uninterested converts nor in controversial discussions here
or elsewhere.

Otherwise I'm usually quite friendly talking about AVR chips.

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Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron

2005-01-13 by Kathy Quinlan

Ralph Hilton wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:02:13 +0800 you wrote:
> 
> 
>>Dave VanHorn wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>Freezoner AND AVR freak!  How bizarre!
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps even unique:-)
>>>
>>>
>>>No stranger to ARS here.
>>
>>ARS ???
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Kat.
> 
> 
> ARS = the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology
> 
> I practice Scientology outside the somewhat money grabbing so called Church of
> Scientology as I have personally found many of the basic beliefs to be workable
> for me.
> 
> I would rather refrain from introducing religion into a list that has nothing to
> do with it.
> 
> I am happy to respond to questions in private mail on the subject but have no
> interest in seeking uninterested converts nor in controversial discussions here
> or elsewhere.
> 
> Otherwise I'm usually quite friendly talking about AVR chips.

Not so much into discussing, but an Abreviation I have never heard of lol

I was thinking things like ARPS etc lol

I live and learn, and probably will take you up on the offer of a side 
line chat once things get quiet, work is flowing thick and fast lol

Regards,

Kat.


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Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE

2005-01-13 by Leon Heller

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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:13 PM
Subject: [AVR-Chat] ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE


I am trying to make a ohm-meter using Atmega16.  The
problem is that the ADC is reading values that change
all the time (at least the five less significant bits
change all the time).  I think there are several
factors that affect the precision of the ADC.  Some of
these factors are hardware related, an other has to do
with the firmware.  I know the lower the ADC clock is,
the better precision you get.  Also, the AD conversion
can be done in sleep mode.  Any suggestions?

How does it behave if you are simply reading an input voltage, from a pot, 
say? I don't have any problems with that, using a Mega8535. The reading is 
very stable.

Leon 



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ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE

2005-01-13 by Jose Fuentes

I am trying to make a ohm-meter using Atmega16.  The
problem is that the ADC is reading values that change
all the time (at least the five less significant bits
change all the time).  I think there are several
factors that affect the precision of the ADC.  Some of
these factors are hardware related, an other has to do
with the firmware.  I know the lower the ADC clock is,
the better precision you get.  Also, the AD conversion
can be done in sleep mode.  Any suggestions?

Regards,

Jose


	

	
		
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Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE

2005-01-13 by Jose Fuentes

It happens when I try to read the voltage in a voltage
divider (two resistors) connected between VCC and GND.
 Also, I have separated VCC from a AVCC by using a LC
filter.

What clock frequency are you using?

Jose

 --- Leon Heller <leon.heller@dsl.pipex.com> escribió:

> How does it behave if you are simply reading an
> input voltage, from a pot, 
> say? I don't have any problems with that, using a
> Mega8535. The reading is 
> very stable.
> 
> Leon 

> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Jose Fuentes
> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:13 PM
> Subject: [AVR-Chat] ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE
> 
> 
> I am trying to make a ohm-meter using Atmega16.  The
> problem is that the ADC is reading values that
> change
> all the time (at least the five less significant
> bits
> change all the time).  I think there are several
> factors that affect the precision of the ADC.  Some
> of
> these factors are hardware related, an other has to
> do
> with the firmware.  I know the lower the ADC clock
> is,
> the better precision you get.  Also, the AD
> conversion
> can be done in sleep mode.  Any suggestions?
> 



	

	
		
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Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE

2005-01-13 by Leon Heller

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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE


It happens when I try to read the voltage in a voltage
divider (two resistors) connected between VCC and GND.
Also, I have separated VCC from a AVCC by using a LC
filter.

What clock frequency are you using?


I'm using 8 MHz. I've got the filter as well. Have you by-passed the 
reference voltage, that might be picking up noise?

Leon 



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Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron

2005-01-13 by Mike Murphree

Ralph Hilton said:
>
> ARS = the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology
>

And I was thinking Amateur Radio Service, oh well...

Mike

Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE

2005-01-13 by Ralph Hilton

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:13:34 -0300 (ART) you wrote:

>
>I am trying to make a ohm-meter using Atmega16.  The
>problem is that the ADC is reading values that change
>all the time (at least the five less significant bits
>change all the time).  I think there are several
>factors that affect the precision of the ADC.  Some of
>these factors are hardware related, an other has to do
>with the firmware.  I know the lower the ADC clock is,
>the better precision you get.  Also, the AD conversion
>can be done in sleep mode.  Any suggestions?

I get a rock steady ADC reading using AVR chips with 2 resistors on the input.
That is without sleep mode or an LC filter. That is using a 115.2KHz ADC clock.
Anything lower than 200KHz should be fine.

Perhaps you could post the code.
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Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE

2005-01-13 by Dave VanHorn

>
>I get a rock steady ADC reading using AVR chips with 2 resistors on the input.
>That is without sleep mode or an LC filter. That is using a 115.2KHz ADC 
>clock.
>Anything lower than 200KHz should be fine.

Indeed.

There are constraints to be observed, like when you change channels, and 
making sure that your Vref is quiet.

You should filter the input though, no sense having anything on the input 
that is significantly faster than your sample rate, or even any where near 
your sample rate.
I get a couple of bits dither, but the systems that I'm working in aren't 
really designed for low noise, nor do they care.  The upper 8 bits is 
plenty, so I didn't bother cleaning up the stuff that's below the noise floor.

Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE

2005-01-14 by Leon Heller

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Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE


I solved some hardware problems and now the ADC is
more stable.  This is the source code:

void init_adc(void)
{
      ADMUX |= (0x01 << 6);
      ADMUX &= (~ (0x01 << 7));
      ADCSRA = 0xE0;
      DDRA = 0x00;
}

unsigned int read_adc(void)
{
      int adc;
      adc = (ADCW & 0x03FF);
      return adc;
}

I tried to improve the accuracy by lowering the adc
clock:
      ADCSRA = 0xE0 | 0x07;//set last 3 bits
that was to set bits ADPS2, ADPS1, ADPS0.  Doing that
the prescaler is set to use a division factor of 128.
But it doesn't make the ADC more stable.  Actually, it
makes it less accurate, do you know why?


I've just checked my code for M8535. I'm using the default ADC clock 
prescaler division value, which is 2 (xtal is 8 MHz), and getting very 
stable values. Here's the code, extracted from my test program:

 ldi  temp,(1<<URSEL)|(1<<USBS)|(3<<UCSZ0);set comms parameters
 out  UCSRC,temp
 sbi  ADCSRA,ADEN ;enable ADC
 ldi  temp,(1<<REFS0)|(1<<REFS1);use AREF, left justify, ADC0
 out  ADMUX,temp
 ldi  ZL,low(buffer)    ; Load Z register low
    ldi  ZH,high(buffer)   ; Load Z register high


main:
  sbi  ADCSRA,ADSC ;start conversion
main1:
 sbic ADCSRA,ADSC ;ADSC clear?
 rjmp main1  ;no, loop back
 in  rBin1L,ADCL ;read low bits of ADC value
 in  rBin1H,ADCH ;read high bits of ADC value
 lsr  rBin1H  ;divide 16 bit value by 4 (unsigned)
 ror  rBin1L
 lsr  rBin1H
 ror  rBin1L
 rcall Bin2ToAsc5
 ldi  temp,5
main2:
 ld  byte,Z+
 rcall serout
 dec  temp
 brne main2
 rcall new_line
 rjmp main  ;go round again 



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Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE

2005-01-14 by Jose Fuentes

I solved some hardware problems and now the ADC is
more stable.  This is the source code:

void init_adc(void)
{
	ADMUX |= (0x01 << 6);
	ADMUX &= (~ (0x01 << 7));
	ADCSRA = 0xE0;
	DDRA = 0x00;
}

unsigned int read_adc(void)
{
	int adc;
	adc = (ADCW & 0x03FF);
	return adc;
}

I tried to improve the accuracy by lowering the adc
clock:
	ADCSRA = 0xE0 | 0x07;//set last 3 bits
that was to set bits ADPS2, ADPS1, ADPS0.  Doing that
the prescaler is set to use a division factor of 128. 
But it doesn't make the ADC more stable.  Actually, it
makes it less accurate, do you know why?

Jose




 --- Dave VanHorn <dvanhorn@dvanhorn.org> escribió: 
> 
> 
> >
> >I get a rock steady ADC reading using AVR chips
> with 2 resistors on the input.
> >That is without sleep mode or an LC filter. That is
> using a 115.2KHz ADC 
> >clock.
> >Anything lower than 200KHz should be fine.
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> There are constraints to be observed, like when you
> change channels, and 
> making sure that your Vref is quiet.
> 
> You should filter the input though, no sense having
> anything on the input 
> that is significantly faster than your sample rate,
> or even any where near 
> your sample rate.
> I get a couple of bits dither, but the systems that
> I'm working in aren't 
> really designed for low noise, nor do they care. 
> The upper 8 bits is 
> plenty, so I didn't bother cleaning up the stuff
> that's below the noise floor.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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RE: [AVR-Chat] ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE

2005-01-14 by Lasse Madsen

Hi Fuentes.

>I tried to improve the accuracy by lowering the adc
>clock:
> ADCSRA = 0xE0 | 0x07;//set last 3 bits
>that was to set bits ADPS2, ADPS1, ADPS0. Doing that
>the prescaler is set to use a division factor of 128.
>But it doesn't make the ADC more stable. Actually, it
>makes it less accurate, do you know why?

Yes this is because you charge the capacitors inside the ADC with the outside manipulation and when you convert at high speed you will be able to read the value of the capacitor almost instantaneously BUT if you read it at a slower speed it will begin to discharge and you will loose precision.

Best regards

L. Madsen

From: Jose Fuentes [mailto:josecarlosfuentes@yahoo.com.ar]
Sent: 14. januar 2005 16:25
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ADC ACCURACY AND NOISE

I solved some hardware problems and now the ADC is
more stable. This is the source code:

void init_adc(void)
{
ADMUX
|= (0x01 << 6);
ADMUX &= (~ (0x01 << 7));
ADCSRA = 0xE0;
DDRA = 0x00;
}

unsigned int read_adc(void)
{
int adc;
adc = (ADCW & 0x03FF);
return adc;
}

I tried to improve the accuracy by lowering the adc
clock:
ADCSRA = 0xE0 | 0x07;//set last 3 bits
that was to set bits ADPS2, ADPS1, ADPS0. Doing that
the prescaler is set to use a division factor of 128.
But it doesn't make the ADC more stable. Actually, it
makes it less accurate, do you know why?

Jose




--- Dave VanHorn
>
>
> >
> >I get a rock steady ADC reading using AVR chips
> with 2 resistors on the input.
> >That is without sleep mode or an LC filter. That is
> using a 115.2KHz ADC
> >clock.
> >Anything lower than 200KHz should be fine.
>
> Indeed.
>
> There are constraints to be observed, like when you
> change channels, and
> making sure that your Vref is quiet.
>
> You should filter the input though, no sense having
> anything on the input
> that is significantly faster than your sample rate,
> or even any where near
> your sample rate.
> I get a couple of bits dither, but the systems that
> I'm working in aren't
> really designed for low noise, nor do they care.
> The upper 8 bits is
> plenty, so I didn't bother cleaning up the stuff
> that's below the noise floor.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> AVR-Chat-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron

2005-01-15 by Franco

Realy i don't know what temp my solder go, but i used
it a lot of years to solder and repair a los of SMD
PCB, i used it to solder McU and a lot of SMD shift
registers memories and others.

I'm using a Good TQ-77, this solder is about 20Watts
and have a pushbutton to get more than 200W, is full
insolated from the 220Vac line becose the heater is
encapsuled in a ceramic cilinder, you can use it with
the equipment turned on and nothing hapend.

The only problem with this is the manufacturer go down
the quality of the ceramic end isn't the quality few
years ago and if you use all the day in a couple of
month the end broken.

This is a over temp problem, i use it with a simple
diode in serial and the temp go a little down and
fixed it.

i'm tired of use it to repair pcb's, all in smd, i
have a friend who use it and i dont know how he does,
but can desolder and solder a Sony CCD ic controler,
this device have 9x9 mm and and 20 legs for each
side!!!

In the lab we use it, the live cicle for the ceramic
end is about six month using it five days a week with
more than ten hours connecter for each day.

Best Regards
Frank-.


 --- Ralph Hilton <ralph@ralphhilton.org> escribió: 
> 
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:47:14 -0500 Dave VanHorn
> <dvanhorn@dvanhorn.org> wrote:
> 
> >>
> >>Looks disgusting!
> >>
> >>I just tried setting my iron to 500F and I'm sure
> it woud create lots of bad
> >>joints as standard solder only melts at 460F.
> >>
> >>I usually use around 650F for soldering - it gives
> very fast reliable joints.
> >>
> >>
> >>--
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> >Freezoner AND AVR freak!  How bizarre!
> 
> Perhaps even unique:-)
> 
> >Also: Don't you use 63/37 eutectic solder? I
> thought everyone did.
> 
> I used to - I don't actually notice much difference.
> Mostly I use 0.46mm 60/40
> and it melts instantly. Soon it gets worse with lead
> free solder regulations
> coming in.
> 
> >Do I see an AVR based E-Meter in the offing? 
> 
> Indeed so! 
> 
> Dual ATmega32 processors, PLED display, LTC2440 A/D
> converter, DS1302 RTC,
> optically isolated RS232 interface to display on a
> PC and lots of other goodies.
> I think it'll be ready in about 4 weeks.
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Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron

2005-01-15 by Ralph Hilton

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:04:08 -0300 (ART) you wrote:


>i'm tired of use it to repair pcb's, all in smd, i
>have a friend who use it and i dont know how he does,
>but can desolder and solder a Sony CCD ic controler,
>this device have 9x9 mm and and 20 legs for each
>side!!!

That's about the spacing on smd ATmega chips too. I had my first go at soldering
one up yesterday. It needs a thin tip, thin solder and desoldering braid for the
botch ups. I got a 3x head fitting magnifier for use while soldering and a 10x
jeweller's magnifier to check the connections. I was actually rather surprised
that it worked!


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[AVR-Chat] soldering iron : part II

2005-01-24 by Eric

Interesting how we don't read all the story


I posted this;
"
Has anybody heard of these soldering irons?
Hope it not iron you throw out after 100 solder joints (if you get the flow)



An interesting soldering iron - The Cold Heat Soldering Tool is a cordless
tool that heats quickly and cools down nearly as fast. It creates the heat
right in the proprietary tip material, making the tool 20 times more
efficient than the average conventional soldering iron. The tip reaches
500ºF in less than 1 second for many types of joints and cools to the touch
in 1-5 seconds so you can put it away - without any waiting.

More info @ http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/69d3/
"



There is says very clearly "The tip reaches 500ºF in less than 1 second".
I just had another look at it the wording it  "The tip reaches 500ºF in less than 1 second" with a "out
of the square thinking".
It does not say "The tip reaches 500ºF in less than 1 second AND STOPS HEATING AT 500ºF".
And guess what everyone in including myself thought "The tip reaches 500ºF in less than 1 second AND
STOPS HEATING AT 500ºF".


I just downloaded the FAQ pdf file from the web site and it says
"Q: What temperatures does the tip reach?
A: It all depends on the size of the joint. For a small joint, the tip may reach 800ºF in less than
one second and may exceed 1,000ºF. We do not recommend applying the tip to a small
joint for longer than a few seconds, as the temperature may keep rising. For large joints,
the temperature will likely be significantly lower."


But now here is the next problem, could it be too hot now?
Interesting should I go to a optometrist or a good family doctor?


From Eric

Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron : part II

2005-01-24 by Dave VanHorn

>
>
>There is says very clearly "The tip reaches 500ºF in less than 1 second".
>I just had another look at it the wording it  "The tip reaches 500ºF in 
>less than 1 second" with a "out of the square thinking".
>It does not say "The tip reaches 500ºF in less than 1 second AND STOPS 
>HEATING AT 500ºF".
>And guess what everyone in including myself thought "The tip reaches 500ºF 
>in less than 1 second AND STOPS HEATING AT 500ºF".
>
>The way it's stated does imply that it stops there. They could have said 
>something like: "The tip reaches 500ºF in less than 1 second and 
>temperature continues to increase the longer you hold it on the joint"

Re: [AVR-Chat] soldering iron : part II

2005-01-24 by Ralph Hilton

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:09:24 +1300 you wrote:

>
>Interesting how we don't read all the story
>
>
>I posted this;
>"
>Has anybody heard of these soldering irons?
>Hope it not iron you throw out after 100 solder joints (if you get the flow)
>
>
>
>An interesting soldering iron - The Cold Heat Soldering Tool is a cordless
>tool that heats quickly and cools down nearly as fast. It creates the heat
>right in the proprietary tip material, making the tool 20 times more
>efficient than the average conventional soldering iron. The tip reaches
>500ºF in less than 1 second for many types of joints and cools to the touch
>in 1-5 seconds so you can put it away - without any waiting.
>
>More info @ http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/69d3/
>"
>
>
>
>There is says very clearly "The tip reaches 500ºF in less than 1 second".
>I just had another look at it the wording it  "The tip reaches 500ºF in less than 1 second" with a "out
>of the square thinking".
>It does not say "The tip reaches 500ºF in less than 1 second AND STOPS HEATING AT 500ºF".
>And guess what everyone in including myself thought "The tip reaches 500ºF in less than 1 second AND
>STOPS HEATING AT 500ºF".
>
>
>I just downloaded the FAQ pdf file from the web site and it says
>"Q: What temperatures does the tip reach?
>A: It all depends on the size of the joint. For a small joint, the tip may reach 800ºF in less than
>one second and may exceed 1,000ºF. We do not recommend applying the tip to a small
>joint for longer than a few seconds, as the temperature may keep rising. For large joints,
>the temperature will likely be significantly lower."
>
>
>But now here is the next problem, could it be too hot now?
>Interesting should I go to a optometrist or a good family doctor?

Probably go visit your bank manager for a loan to buy new chips.


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