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Display Options -Clarified

Display Options -Clarified

2005-11-03 by Shekiboy

all right I couldn't make myself clear enough.
What I specifically want to know is about the interfacing of common 
display devices like :
1.LCD Display,
2.television Screen.
If I develop some primitive game playing application(say checkers or 
any such thing) LED's won't be that effective.what options do I have 
then.
Kindly give details abt input options also,again apart from keyboard 
which i currently use. 
(I'm working on Mega-8 kit).
Thanks.

Re: [AVR-Chat] Display Options -Clarified

2005-11-03 by Dingo

LCDs are ok but do require a fair bit understanding before they will work. There are lots of libraries that will help you get started. The biggest issue is the fact that you can only show 32 characters on a 16x2 or 80 characters on a 20x4. With this limitation you might miss something if the LCD isn't big enough. I would recommend getting a backlight version where ever possible. Two good sources of cheaper LCDs Ifound are www.ebay.com and www.futurlec.com . Of course google will show you other good sources.
Terminal software running on a computer of some description (I prefer Bray's terminal over others like Hyperterminal) is a great place to start. You have almost unlimited number of characters available, you can dump the output to a log file easily for later recollection. The biggest advantage is that you need minimal setup to get it working. You can change transmision speed etc very easily to suit different situations.
TV or VGA output is also a good idea. There is one recent resource at www.avrfreaks.net called "Simple VGA/Video terminal" that has complete hardware and software to output serial data. (you'll need to login to access the academy section). There are other TV/ VGA solutions out there. Of course, you will need a whole TV or moniter dedicated to outputting info.
I'd say a TV is a good idea for a simple game of checkers etc.
Basically I use the PC terminal software as a debug tool and use LCDs and other output when the project calls for it.
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Subject: [AVR-Chat] Display Options -Clarified

all right I couldn't make myself clear enough.
What I specifically want to know is about the interfacing of common
display devices like :
1.LCD Display,
2.television Screen.
If I develop some primitive game playing application(say checkers or
any such thing) LED's won't be that effective.what options do I have
then.
Kindly give details abt input options also,again apart from keyboard
which i currently use.
(I'm working on Mega-8 kit).
Thanks.





Re: [AVR-Chat] Display Options -Clarified

2005-11-03 by Leon Heller

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> Dingo wrote:
>
> <elsnipo>
>
>> Terminal software running on a computer of some description (I prefer
>> Bray's terminal over others like Hyperterminal) is a great place to
>> start. You have almost unlimited number of characters available, you can
>> dump the output to a log file easily for later recollection. The biggest
>> advantage is that you need minimal setup to get it working. You can
>> change transmision speed etc very easily to suit different situations.
> <elsnipo>
>
> I love this terminal program:
> http://realterm.sourceforge.net/
>
> Realterm (apart from an odd way of sending data out), is soooooooo kewl
> :) It does everything I need :) and is OPEN SOURCE :)

I use it as well, on my desktop PC. It doesn't work on my laptop, with a 
USB-RS-232 converter. 8-(

Leon 

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Display Options -Clarified

2005-11-03 by Kathy Quinlan

Dingo wrote:

<elsnipo>

> Terminal software running on a computer of some description (I prefer 
> Bray's terminal over others like Hyperterminal) is a great place to 
> start. You have almost unlimited number of characters available, you can 
> dump the output to a log file easily for later recollection. The biggest 
> advantage is that you need minimal setup to get it working. You can 
> change transmision speed etc very easily to suit different situations.
<elsnipo>

I love this terminal program:
http://realterm.sourceforge.net/

Realterm (apart from an odd way of sending data out), is soooooooo kewl 
:) It does everything I need :) and is OPEN SOURCE :)

Regards,

Kat.



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Re: [AVR-Chat] Display Options -Clarified

2005-11-03 by Kathy Quinlan

Leon Heller wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kathy Quinlan" <kat-yahoo@kaqelectronics.dyndns.org>
> To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Display Options -Clarified
> 
> 
> 
>>Dingo wrote:
>>
>><elsnipo>
>>
>>>Terminal software running on a computer of some description (I prefer
>>>Bray's terminal over others like Hyperterminal) is a great place to
>>>start. You have almost unlimited number of characters available, you can
>>>dump the output to a log file easily for later recollection. The biggest
>>>advantage is that you need minimal setup to get it working. You can
>>>change transmision speed etc very easily to suit different situations.
>>
>><elsnipo>
>>
>>I love this terminal program:
>>http://realterm.sourceforge.net/
>>
>>Realterm (apart from an odd way of sending data out), is soooooooo kewl
>>:) It does everything I need :) and is OPEN SOURCE :)
> 
> 
> I use it as well, on my desktop PC. It doesn't work on my laptop, with a 
> USB-RS-232 converter. 8-(
> 
> Leon 

I have two by ST-Labs that use the Prolient (SP?) chip set, and it is 
not the best, but that is more to do with the USB spec, Laptops and 
SLEEP MODE :(

But I am moving to Unix soon (Fedora Core4 if it likes my laptop, then 
my desktops will change) (servers are FreeBSD V4.X and need to be 
upgraded soon (as I want mail filtering and virus detection)

Regards,

Kat.


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RE: [AVR-Chat] Display Options -Clarified

2005-11-03 by Darren Worley

<cynic_mode_on>
 
Is this a university research assignment ?? I remeber doing something like
that 20 odd years ago in first year electronics... 
 
Easiest answer is google.!
 
Oh,.. no!, my bad. Getting someone else to google and do the research for
you is much easier  ;) Shall we write the assignment... Nah!!
 
</>
 
/~darren
(feeling much better now after that reply <g,d,r>

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Subject: [AVR-Chat] Display Options -Clarified


all right I couldn't make myself clear enough.
What I specifically want to know is about the interfacing of common 
display devices like :
1.LCD Display,
2.television Screen.
If I develop some primitive game playing application(say checkers or 
any such thing) LED's won't be that effective.what options do I have 
then.
Kindly give details abt input options also,again apart from keyboard 
which i currently use. 
(I'm working on Mega-8 kit).
Thanks.

Re: [AVR-Chat] Display Options -Clarified

2005-11-03 by Zack Widup

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Shekiboy wrote:

> all right I couldn't make myself clear enough.
> What I specifically want to know is about the interfacing of common
> display devices like :
> 1.LCD Display,
> 2.television Screen.
> If I develop some primitive game playing application(say checkers or
> any such thing) LED's won't be that effective.what options do I have
> then.
> Kindly give details abt input options also,again apart from keyboard
> which i currently use.
> (I'm working on Mega-8 kit).
> Thanks.
> 


You have to get the data sheet for the particular part you are going to 
use.  

I've used several Optrex LCD displays with the HD44780 LCD driver chip.  I 
have data sheets both for the HD44780 and the Optrex data sheet for their 
displays telling how to set up and use them. 

But you have to start with the data sheet for the particular component you 
plan to use.

Typing in part numbers in Google search will often yield data sheets you 
can download.

Zack

Re: [AVR-Chat] Display Options -Clarified

2005-11-03 by Zack Widup

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Dingo wrote:

> LCDs are ok but do require a fair bit understanding before they will 
> work. There are lots of libraries that will help you get started. The 
> biggest issue is the fact that you can only show 32 characters on a 16x2 
> or 80 characters on a 20x4. With this limitation you might miss 
> something if the LCD isn't big enough. I would recommend getting a 
> backlight version where ever possible. Two good sources of cheaper LCDs 
> Ifound are www.ebay.com and www.futurlec.com . Of course google will 
> show you other good sources.

Do a search on eBay for the seller "petroelb".  He always seems to have 
several LCD displays for sale and I have bought many of them from him.

As I mentioned before, I have data sheets for the HD44780 and the Optrex 
manual.  I see one is already in the files section - "dmcman_full.pdf". I 
could contribute the HD44780 file for the files section if it would be 
useful.  

Zack

Re: [AVR-Chat] RealTerm

2005-11-04 by Don Ingram

Kathy Quinlan wrote:

> I love this terminal program:
> http://realterm.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Realterm (apart from an odd way of sending data out), is soooooooo kewl 
> :) It does everything I need :) and is OPEN SOURCE :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kat.


Kat,

Is there a way of changing the microscopic font in the terminal window? Looked 
everywhere & can't find anything. Don't have delphi to rebuild it.  Also would 
be nice to have a way of writing to excel from the terminal as opposed to the 
other way around.

First ever program which has crashed my WinXP box all the way back to a warm 
reboot. Pressed a button on the page with the GPIB stuff.

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Don

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