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Andromeda realy worth to get???

Andromeda realy worth to get???

2003-01-13 by RENGA Moreno

Hi all,

I am maybe in the proces of buying a 100% Analog synth.
But for the price it costs, i realy have to think twice and need advise.
I already have these very good synths:
- Waldorf Q
- Waldorf Microwave XTk.
I was wandering if there is a real noticable difference between the VA of
this synth (Q) and the real analog stuff.
In wich terms would the difference be noticable???
I already listened a A6...
the thing is that i can't realy judge as the store has another kind of
environement room compared to my homestudio.

Would my Q become obsolete if i get a A6???

Thanks for your help guys,
Best regards.

Moreno

Re: [Andromeda_A6] Andromeda realy worth to get???

2003-01-13 by peabreu@isa.utl.pt

Not that the Q ges obsolete, it will still be very good in the "absolutly"
digital kind of sounds...you know the "comb filter and Fm kind of stuff".
I have both, and love them but...I am starting to think about selling my
Qkbd...
One are where the Q shines and the A6 "not very much" is in the "electro"
percussion area...lke, extremely fast modulated stuff...that's one point I
think the Q outwins the A6.
BUT  for pads, strings, warm ambience, bass, leads...thats A6 ;)

Best,
Paulo



RENGA Moreno said:
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> Hi all,
>
> I am maybe in the proces of buying a 100% Analog synth.
> But for the price it costs, i realy have to think twice and need advise.
> I already have these very good synths:
> - Waldorf Q
> - Waldorf Microwave XTk.
> I was wandering if there is a real noticable difference between the VA
> of this synth (Q) and the real analog stuff.
> In wich terms would the difference be noticable???
> I already listened a A6...
> the thing is that i can't realy judge as the store has another kind of
> environement room compared to my homestudio.
>
> Would my Q become obsolete if i get a A6???
>
> Thanks for your help guys,
> Best regards.
>
> Moreno
>
>
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RE: [Andromeda_A6] Andromeda realy worth to get???

2003-01-13 by RENGA Moreno

That's great that you have both...
But is there realy a BIG difference???
Maybe than i should just get a simple monophonic synth like the pulse than
(one or two devices)...

Moreno
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: peabreu@... [mailto:peabreu@...]
>Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:18 PM
>To: Andromeda_A6@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Andromeda_A6] Andromeda realy worth to get???
>
>
>Not that the Q ges obsolete, it will still be very good in the "absolutly"
>digital kind of sounds...you know the "comb filter and Fm kind of stuff".
>I have both, and love them but...I am starting to think about selling my
>Qkbd...
>One are where the Q shines and the A6 "not very much" is in the "electro"
>percussion area...lke, extremely fast modulated stuff...that's one point I
>think the Q outwins the A6.
>BUT  for pads, strings, warm ambience, bass, leads...thats A6 ;)
>
>Best,
>Paulo
>
>
>
>RENGA Moreno said:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am maybe in the proces of buying a 100% Analog synth.
>> But for the price it costs, i realy have to think twice and need advise.
>> I already have these very good synths:
>> - Waldorf Q
>> - Waldorf Microwave XTk.
>> I was wandering if there is a real noticable difference between the VA
>> of this synth (Q) and the real analog stuff.
>> In wich terms would the difference be noticable???
>> I already listened a A6...
>> the thing is that i can't realy judge as the store has another kind of
>> environement room compared to my homestudio.
>>
>> Would my Q become obsolete if i get a A6???
>>
>> Thanks for your help guys,
>> Best regards.
>>
>> Moreno
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>>
>>
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>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
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RE: [Andromeda_A6] Andromeda realy worth to get???

2003-01-16 by Paulo Abreu

Yes, there is really a BIG difference bettween the Q and A6... THe 
filters (above all IMHO) make all the difference!!!!

Especially if you are talking about analog tones, despite the fact 
that the A6 can be made to sound digital, with a very cutting edge 
sound.

If your option is a mono synth, than it means you are mostly 
interested in leads and bass...just  for that specific goal, I would 
not spend all that money on an A6, I would buy one pulse and one ATC 
and still would have money for other stuff, and would keep the Q.

As for the Q, I would also recommend you to spend some quality time 
with the A6 to see if you like the basic tone (that can always be 
made to change), because one of my main criticisms of the Q are its 
OSCs that are a bit to bright, and in that regard the ones in the A6 
are of the same type, despite better as these are real VCOs and that 
is clearly noticeable...and on the A6 you get real analog filters to 
atenuate that brightness factor, while on the Q...that is probably 
why on the Q the sonorities I prefer are the brighter tones and HPF 
and BPF sounds, as also the comb and the "wavetable" sounds of its 
ALT waves...I always asked for some sort of pre-filter parametric EQ 
on the Q...just to attenuate...or to make smoother/duller/holower 
sounds...think old Roland like...but I have long quited to ask about 
it as Waldorf always seemed much more focused in getting advantage of 
the edgier caracter of the Q...it seems that "trance"and some "IDM" 
people prefer it that way... not me... except for percussive, fast 
sounds.
Other area I don't like on the Q its the Envelopes..to rigid, and IMO 
without the best response curves...I know one can change that by 
using the modulation matrix (one of the most ridiculous 
implementations in terms of UI I ever seen...compare that with the 
MWxt and there is a big difference...yes they should at least have 
made the screen bigger) modulating the stage of the ENVs with the 
EnVs them selfes but its to much of a pain...if you get to use the A6 
envelopes than you will see whats a real flexible and good 
implementation of Envelopes...despite the fact that the Q has a 
faster/quicker rsponse time...in that regard it is very good.

So, you see, there are these and a lot more things in favor and 
against the Q when compared with the A6...and don't forget that for 
pads on the Q you have this fantastic HMT intonation thing that is 
indeed amazing...I think that to get that you can only find it on the 
old MW1 and on the Wave...and it really can be put to use in some 
wonderful ways. Ahh...and don't forget the FX on the Q, especially 
the reverd that I think is very well implemented...much better than 
on the A6, actually one of the better for synths if you forget the 
almighty Kurweil K2600/2500 with KDFX...


Paulo



> That's great that you have both...
> But is there realy a BIG difference???
> Maybe than i should just get a simple monophonic synth like the pulse than
> (one or two devices)...
> 
> Moreno
> 
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: peabreu@... [mailto:peabreu@...]
> >Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:18 PM
> >To: Andromeda_A6@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Andromeda_A6] Andromeda realy worth to get???
> >
> >
> >Not that the Q ges obsolete, it will still be very good in the
> >"absolutly" digital kind of sounds...you know the "comb filter and Fm
> >kind of stuff". I have both, and love them but...I am starting to think
> >about selling my Qkbd... One are where the Q shines and the A6 "not very
> >much" is in the "electro" percussion area...lke, extremely fast modulated
> >stuff...that's one point I think the Q outwins the A6. BUT  for pads,
> >strings, warm ambience, bass, leads...thats A6 ;)
> >
> >Best,
> >Paulo
> >
> >
> >
> >RENGA Moreno said:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I am maybe in the proces of buying a 100% Analog synth.
> >> But for the price it costs, i realy have to think twice and need
> >> advise. I already have these very good synths: - Waldorf Q - Waldorf
> >> Microwave XTk. I was wandering if there is a real noticable difference
> >> between the VA of this synth (Q) and the real analog stuff. In wich
> >> terms would the difference be noticable??? I already listened a A6...
> >> the thing is that i can't realy judge as the store has another kind of
> >> environement room compared to my homestudio.
> >>
> >> Would my Q become obsolete if i get a A6???
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help guys,
> >> Best regards.
> >>
> >> Moreno
> >>
> >>
> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >> Andromeda_A6-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> 


Paulo Abreu


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RE: [Andromeda_A6] Andromeda realy worth to get???

2003-01-16 by RENGA Moreno

Hey Pablo,

Thanks for all your precisions.
It is of great Help.
Maybe i should get a Q+ with it's analog Filters.
Q is already THE machine that fits my needs.
I just love the filter routing and the way to work with it.
I just miss the Analog feeling and fatness...
But i am wondering how many times the audio is converted AD/DA??? Lol...
DIgital (Osc) > Analog (Filt) > Digital (Fxs or whatever...)
Would on that machine still be a Fat Analog Feeling???

I hate those typical European Bright Trance leads!!!
You see watt i mean? Beeeeeerk!!!
Maybe it's only the way they play it....... Mmmmhhh.
But i love the trance from Sasha.

I am not specificaly into Trance...
I am a fellow into Electro everything.
Electro Industrial, Electro Hip Hop, Electro Techno/House/Trance, Electro
Pop...
All... but just with a good Electro Feeling.
=: )

Moreno


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paulo Abreu [mailto:peabreu@...]
>Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:35 PM
>To: Andromeda_A6@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Andromeda_A6] Andromeda realy worth to get???
>
>
>Yes, there is really a BIG difference bettween the Q and A6... THe
>filters (above all IMHO) make all the difference!!!!
>
>Especially if you are talking about analog tones, despite the fact
>that the A6 can be made to sound digital, with a very cutting edge
>sound.
>
>If your option is a mono synth, than it means you are mostly
>interested in leads and bass...just  for that specific goal, I would
>not spend all that money on an A6, I would buy one pulse and one ATC
>and still would have money for other stuff, and would keep the Q.
>
>As for the Q, I would also recommend you to spend some quality time
>with the A6 to see if you like the basic tone (that can always be
>made to change), because one of my main criticisms of the Q are its
>OSCs that are a bit to bright, and in that regard the ones in the A6
>are of the same type, despite better as these are real VCOs and that
>is clearly noticeable...and on the A6 you get real analog filters to
>atenuate that brightness factor, while on the Q...that is probably
>why on the Q the sonorities I prefer are the brighter tones and HPF
>and BPF sounds, as also the comb and the "wavetable" sounds of its
>ALT waves...I always asked for some sort of pre-filter parametric EQ
>on the Q...just to attenuate...or to make smoother/duller/holower
>sounds...think old Roland like...but I have long quited to ask about
>it as Waldorf always seemed much more focused in getting advantage of
>the edgier caracter of the Q...it seems that "trance"and some "IDM"
>people prefer it that way... not me... except for percussive, fast
>sounds.
>Other area I don't like on the Q its the Envelopes..to rigid, and IMO
>without the best response curves...I know one can change that by
>using the modulation matrix (one of the most ridiculous
>implementations in terms of UI I ever seen...compare that with the
>MWxt and there is a big difference...yes they should at least have
>made the screen bigger) modulating the stage of the ENVs with the
>EnVs them selfes but its to much of a pain...if you get to use the A6
>envelopes than you will see whats a real flexible and good
>implementation of Envelopes...despite the fact that the Q has a
>faster/quicker rsponse time...in that regard it is very good.
>
>So, you see, there are these and a lot more things in favor and
>against the Q when compared with the A6...and don't forget that for
>pads on the Q you have this fantastic HMT intonation thing that is
>indeed amazing...I think that to get that you can only find it on the
>old MW1 and on the Wave...and it really can be put to use in some
>wonderful ways. Ahh...and don't forget the FX on the Q, especially
>the reverd that I think is very well implemented...much better than
>on the A6, actually one of the better for synths if you forget the
>almighty Kurweil K2600/2500 with KDFX...
>
>
>Paulo
>
>
>
>> That's great that you have both...
>> But is there realy a BIG difference???
>> Maybe than i should just get a simple monophonic synth like the
>pulse than
>> (one or two devices)...
>>
>> Moreno
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: peabreu@... [mailto:peabreu@...]
>> >Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:18 PM
>> >To: Andromeda_A6@yahoogroups.com
>> >Subject: Re: [Andromeda_A6] Andromeda realy worth to get???
>> >
>> >
>> >Not that the Q ges obsolete, it will still be very good in the
>> >"absolutly" digital kind of sounds...you know the "comb filter and Fm
>> >kind of stuff". I have both, and love them but...I am starting to think
>> >about selling my Qkbd... One are where the Q shines and the A6 "not very
>> >much" is in the "electro" percussion area...lke, extremely fast
>modulated
>> >stuff...that's one point I think the Q outwins the A6. BUT  for pads,
>> >strings, warm ambience, bass, leads...thats A6 ;)
>> >
>> >Best,
>> >Paulo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >RENGA Moreno said:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I am maybe in the proces of buying a 100% Analog synth.
>> >> But for the price it costs, i realy have to think twice and need
>> >> advise. I already have these very good synths: - Waldorf Q - Waldorf
>> >> Microwave XTk. I was wandering if there is a real noticable difference
>> >> between the VA of this synth (Q) and the real analog stuff. In wich
>> >> terms would the difference be noticable??? I already listened a A6...
>> >> the thing is that i can't realy judge as the store has another kind of
>> >> environement room compared to my homestudio.
>> >>
>> >> Would my Q become obsolete if i get a A6???
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your help guys,
>> >> Best regards.
>> >>
>> >> Moreno
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>> >> Andromeda_A6-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>> >
>> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Paulo Abreu


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Re: [Andromeda_A6] Andromeda realy worth to get???

2003-01-16 by Paulo Abreu

Hi

> Maybe i should get a Q+ with it's analog Filters.

I don't know..if you have the Q...but if you can sell it by good money, than
that can make sence...here I can not sell a Q...Waldorf is not that well
known...

Still, for the price difference (with the associated $ loss to sell the Q
and buy the overpriced Q+) then I think its wiser to keep the Q and buy the
A6.

> Q is already THE machine that fits my needs.
> I just love the filter routing and the way to work with it.
> I just miss the Analog feeling and fatness...
> But i am wondering how many times the audio is converted AD/DA??? Lol...
> DIgital (Osc) > Analog (Filt) > Digital (Fxs or whatever...)
> Would on that machine still be a Fat Analog Feeling???


I don't know...never been near one...still I think they are asking a
stupidly high premium price for the Q+, and now with ttheir new ABF then it
really makes no sence as it may mean that in 1 year or 2 we will be able to
get much more powerful soft synths like reaktor (or whatever) with Waldorf
Q+ analog filters..in fact that was a genious idea from Waldorf, only had
they put in the ABF a firewire interface instead of USB2.0...

> I am a fellow into Electro everything.
> Electro Industrial, Electro Hip Hop, Electro Techno/House/Trance, Electro
> Pop...
> All... but just with a good Electro Feeling.

Than the Q its for you ;)
Well, one of the reasons I always quit trying  to sell my Q is exactly
because I also love Electroanything (especialy house/glitch house) and in
that regard the Q has very hight marks indeed...I would even say, that its
one of the fields where it rules over the A6.

Paulo

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