Boss VF-1 Effect Processor

I have  a VF-1 which am delighted with, but sone ran off with, so was 
able to round up an SE-70 its predecessor.

Anyone use the SE-70, and have any comments?

It will be interesting to compare them side by side when son gets 
bsack from university end of April.

I auditioned an Eventide Eclipse yesterday, cool unit, needs a lot of 
setup would think tho, but quality of some things is excellent

Hi,
I have both a VF-1 and an SE-70.  When I first got the VF-1, I 
pretty much dropped using the SE70.  The VF has a number of effects 
not available in the SE.  Plus the distortions in the VF are a lot 
more over the top before they hit the noise overload threshold.  
BUT... (drum roll), now I'm back with the SE70 and haven't used the 
VF in a year or so.  Why?  To my ears, the distortions in the SE are 
way more natural and organic sounding.  I can get some very smooth 
Eric Johnson and Robben Ford sounds out of the SE that I could never 
seem to coax out of the VF.  As you probably know, the SE 
distortions are supposedly all pure analog, and that may be the root 
of the difference.

I suspect that if I went back to the VF and really dug in for some 
serious tweaking, I'd get what I wanted out of it.  That is what I 
intend to do sometime soon.  A potential drawback about the SE is 
something Scott Henderson said regarding its lack of transparency.  
He uses the SE70 only for effects (reverbs, delays, and filters) and 
he keeps his straight signal completely separate (he mixes the two 
signals back together with a one-channel mixer).  According to 
Scott, "The SE-70 will ruin your dry sound."  But I just don't hear 
the degradation he hears, and since I'm using the SE for 
distortions, keeping a separate dry signal is pointless.

I'd be interested in hearing how it goes for you.

Bert




--- In BossVF1@yahoogroups.com, "ervenj" <ervenj@r...> wrote:
> 
> I have  a VF-1 which am delighted with, but sone ran off with, so 
was 
> able to round up an SE-70 its predecessor.
> 
> Anyone use the SE-70, and have any comments?
> 
> It will be interesting to compare them side by side when son gets 
> bsack from university end of April.
> 
> I auditioned an Eventide Eclipse yesterday, cool unit, needs a lot 
of 
> setup would think tho, but quality of some things is excellent

I am using both the SE-70 and VF-1 as well in conjuction.
I see some distortions and special FX in SE-70 that I can't get on VF-
1. The SE-70 is quite a bit more tedious to program, but I find the 
distortions and compressor better. However, being a jack-of-all 
trades musician, who plays both bass, keys and guitar, I think VF-1 
is better off as an all around swiss knife unit for bass and 
keyboards. Especially bass.

That's why I still use Se-70 and VF-1 regardless whatever has happend 
through all these years. They  both, sure have been surpassed many 
times over, from most new fx including modelling is geared towards 
only ONE instrument. But I want to use both vocals, bass, keys TOO in 
addition to guitar. Not that many units today encompass patches or 
sounds for everything.

My main gripe is the +4db -20db attenuator. On every other gear I own 
(including the SE-70) it is +4db and -10db attenuation. 

I've tried the Eric Johnsson patches on both, and even with enough 
serious tweaking, I can't get them both units to sound exactly alike. 
There's some more punch and attack in SE-70, i e front end of each 
note, that seems to cut through better in a dense mix. That, the VF-1 
is lacking but only ever so slightly.

/Mats

--- In BossVF1@...m, "stratoskier" <stratoskier@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi,
> I have both a VF-1 and an SE-70.  When I first got the VF-1, I 
> pretty much dropped using the SE70.  The VF has a number of effects 
> not available in the SE.  Plus the distortions in the VF are a lot 
> more over the top before they hit the noise overload threshold.  
> BUT... (drum roll), now I'm back with the SE70 and haven't used the 
> VF in a year or so.  Why?  To my ears, the distortions in the SE 
are 
> way more natural and organic sounding.  I can get some very smooth 
> Eric Johnson and Robben Ford sounds out of the SE that I could 
never 
> seem to coax out of the VF.  As you probably know, the SE 
> distortions are supposedly all pure analog, and that may be the 
root 
> of the difference.
> 
> I suspect that if I went back to the VF and really dug in for some 
> serious tweaking, I'd get what I wanted out of it.  That is what I 
> intend to do sometime soon.  A potential drawback about the SE is 
> something Scott Henderson said regarding its lack of transparency.  
> He uses the SE70 only for effects (reverbs, delays, and filters) 
and 
> he keeps his straight signal completely separate (he mixes the two 
> signals back together with a one-channel mixer).  According to 
> Scott, "The SE-70 will ruin your dry sound."  But I just don't hear 
> the degradation he hears, and since I'm using the SE for 
> distortions, keeping a separate dry signal is pointless.
> 
> I'd be interested in hearing how it goes for you.
> 
> Bert
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In BossVF1@yahoogroups.com, "ervenj" <ervenj@r...> wrote:
> > 
> > I have  a VF-1 which am delighted with, but sone ran off with, so 
> was 
> > able to round up an SE-70 its predecessor.
> > 
> > Anyone use the SE-70, and have any comments?
> > 
> > It will be interesting to compare them side by side when son gets 
> > bsack from university end of April.
> > 
> > I auditioned an Eventide Eclipse yesterday, cool unit, needs a 
lot 

> of 
> > setup would think tho, but quality of some things is excellent
>