Boss VF-1 Effect Processor

I am using both the SE-70 and VF-1 as well in conjuction.
I see some distortions and special FX in SE-70 that I can't get on VF-
1. The SE-70 is quite a bit more tedious to program, but I find the 
distortions and compressor better. However, being a jack-of-all 
trades musician, who plays both bass, keys and guitar, I think VF-1 
is better off as an all around swiss knife unit for bass and 
keyboards. Especially bass.

That's why I still use Se-70 and VF-1 regardless whatever has happend 
through all these years. They  both, sure have been surpassed many 
times over, from most new fx including modelling is geared towards 
only ONE instrument. But I want to use both vocals, bass, keys TOO in 
addition to guitar. Not that many units today encompass patches or 
sounds for everything.

My main gripe is the +4db -20db attenuator. On every other gear I own 
(including the SE-70) it is +4db and -10db attenuation. 

I've tried the Eric Johnsson patches on both, and even with enough 
serious tweaking, I can't get them both units to sound exactly alike. 
There's some more punch and attack in SE-70, i e front end of each 
note, that seems to cut through better in a dense mix. That, the VF-1 
is lacking but only ever so slightly.

/Mats

--- In BossVF1@...m, "stratoskier" <stratoskier@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi,
> I have both a VF-1 and an SE-70.  When I first got the VF-1, I 
> pretty much dropped using the SE70.  The VF has a number of effects 
> not available in the SE.  Plus the distortions in the VF are a lot 
> more over the top before they hit the noise overload threshold.  
> BUT... (drum roll), now I'm back with the SE70 and haven't used the 
> VF in a year or so.  Why?  To my ears, the distortions in the SE 
are 
> way more natural and organic sounding.  I can get some very smooth 
> Eric Johnson and Robben Ford sounds out of the SE that I could 
never 
> seem to coax out of the VF.  As you probably know, the SE 
> distortions are supposedly all pure analog, and that may be the 
root 
> of the difference.
> 
> I suspect that if I went back to the VF and really dug in for some 
> serious tweaking, I'd get what I wanted out of it.  That is what I 
> intend to do sometime soon.  A potential drawback about the SE is 
> something Scott Henderson said regarding its lack of transparency.  
> He uses the SE70 only for effects (reverbs, delays, and filters) 
and 
> he keeps his straight signal completely separate (he mixes the two 
> signals back together with a one-channel mixer).  According to 
> Scott, "The SE-70 will ruin your dry sound."  But I just don't hear 
> the degradation he hears, and since I'm using the SE for 
> distortions, keeping a separate dry signal is pointless.
> 
> I'd be interested in hearing how it goes for you.
> 
> Bert
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In BossVF1@yahoogroups.com, "ervenj" <ervenj@r...> wrote:
> > 
> > I have  a VF-1 which am delighted with, but sone ran off with, so 
> was 
> > able to round up an SE-70 its predecessor.
> > 
> > Anyone use the SE-70, and have any comments?
> > 
> > It will be interesting to compare them side by side when son gets 
> > bsack from university end of April.
> > 
> > I auditioned an Eventide Eclipse yesterday, cool unit, needs a 
lot 
> of 
> > setup would think tho, but quality of some things is excellent
>