Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

I know why that is unfortunately, it's because Casio implemented Sysx back
then a little differently than the rest of the world. Basically they
expected for there to be 2 way communication in the middle of 1 sysx stream
of data,  no one else does this. I believe that windows (I'm not sure about
98, 2000 and above, but 3.1 and 95 were like this) actually did some kind of
error checking in its midi subsystem, so that when it got these half formed
sysx streams it would generate an error. Since all Windows MIDI apps depend
on the Windows MIDI subsystem then none of them would work with the CZ. I
don't believe that this was problem with the VZ though, it's sysx was
somewhat reengineered. The reason that DOS/Atari/C64 apps worked is because
the app directly handled all MIDI and the OS couldn't mess it up.  Early on
a lot of Windows MIDI apps just didn't work with the CZ. I remember back
when you had to boot 3.1 in a special mode to get MIDIQuest to work with the
CZ, some apps try to use special timing loops to get around the problem.
About 5 years ago, right when Unisyn came out for PC, I tried to get it
working with my CZs. Of course it didn't, which pissed me off because the
reason I bought it was for the CZ support and I was pretty explicit when I
asked about it working and I was assured that it would. I was lucky though
and managed to get a hold of the editor for Unisyn and found a simple mod to
fix the troubles there so I got working Unisyn profiles for all my CZ's.
Unisyn is a pretty nifty program once you get it working, I can't imagine
using it without access to the profile editor though. I've tweaked almost
every profile that I use to either just work or work better. The editor only
runs on a Mac though,  so I got a Quadra sitting under my desk next to the
PC for when I'm  in the profile editing mood. Sorry guys this was probably a
lot more than you wanted to hear about CZ sysx and Windows MIDI apps....


I'm the other, 
Jon

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	turnthatdamnthingoff@...
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	Sent:	Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:29 PM
	To:	CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
	Subject:	[CZsynth] Re: patches loaded via C64


	> gift, so I never opened a C64 like I did with all my other 
	computers...  
	> If you have a picture the power transformer is working... it's
maybe 
	a
	> problem with the computer other then that it's quite unlikely that

	both have
	> the same problem. Have you tried to use a TV instead of the
monitor,
	> sometimes those monitors have switches for this and that. Maybe 
	turning the
	> computer on without having the the disk drive attached will
help...
	> 
	> Summa

	Hi Summa,
	  Well all this stuff has been collecting and collecting and one of 
	the best feelings in the world is to get rid of all the useless junk

	and clutter that one piles on in life. Since I can't get these
things 
	to work and are obsolete, I took the oppurtunity to trash them and 
	relieve myself of the burden of having to cart  this stuff around
for 
	the rest of life. If they were useful in some way I would have gave 
	them to charity but they're less useful as a doorstop or an ashtray.
	Did you ever want to do that. Grab all the crap that you're saving
for 
	absolutely no reason at all and are never going to use and just
chuck 
	it?  ;)
	I think soundiver has random functions and maybe I'll build some
more 
	sounds when I'm in the mood. Funny thing is most of this "old" midi 
	synths apparently are a pain to get working right in a modern
software 
	application. I once asked on the soundiver list how come all those
old 
	editor/librarians for the C64 and the Atari all worked great with
the 
	Casio's and now all of a sudden they're so terribly hard to
implement.  
	I forgot what they said, though.  

	Jon









































































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