Hi Scott, On 26 Aug 2005 at 19:30, Scott Nordlund wrote: > > > It's really pretty limited for straight FM- the voice structure is > > > versitile enough in theory, but when operator pairs are strictly > > > limited to a modulator:carrier ratio of 2:1, it really constricts > > > things. It works well enough for a 2-operator pair ring-modulated > > > with another wave, but it doesn't have near the flexibility of FM > > > algorithms. Well, it can do most of the DX7 Algorithms, even same a DX7 can't do... > I know how that works, it's just not as nice as the algorithm > structure of a DX7, which I think included most useful combinations. The algorithms of the DX7 work within the limitation of its architecture, what means no Operator will have more than 3 inputs. They're not the most usefull ones, having worked a lot with FMHeaven and FM7 I create some quite even more usefull connections that a DX7 can't do.. > So yeah, I can get FM with two modulators and one carrier, or longer > multi-operator chains, but it doesn't cover all of the DX7 territory. Algorithms are not the most essential part of the FM, I tend to use about a hand full quite often the other ones are needed for some more exotic purposes... > At least on the VZ though the pitch menu is much nicer... The VZ has quite some abilities that surpass the DX7, for instance that it can pitch the operator frequency down to 0Hz, what the DX can't, what can be used for very nice moving pad sounds or as sine waveshaper (it's not working with other waveforms than sine, since those are no real operator waveforms an the VZ as they aren't on the FS1R). Another thing is the 2nd LFO per Voice... > I know the feedback is cool (particularly multiple-operator feedback > loops which do wonderful strange things)- but I remember messing with > this for quite a while, FM really isn't much good for broad-spectrum > sounds, it does an okay impersonation of a resonant filter sweep, but > it acts more like a bandpass filter. If going the simple way with for instance 2 Operators, but with one more between carrier and feedback modulator, you can create more than just saw or square waveforms, even ringmod style timbres are possible, when having the right frequency relations... A good thing is adding a tiny little chorus to the DX sound while sounddesigning, since it makes it easier for the ear to recognise the waveform you create. What is in general a good advice when creating new timbres on waveform basis... > You can get a "sort of" saw wave > using feedback but it's either got not enough bass or not enough > trebel. > Fiddling with it a bunch and layering waveforms does some > good but it's much easier to get full-spectrum waves on the VZ > (...though as I said, no filter, which limits usefulness). Well, it's less the character of the feedback that causes a problem with the DX7 but having only one per algorithm. I like the waveforms created by FM feedback very much, even used in small doses and even on operators in the middle of an algorithm can enhance the sound a lot... > Anyway the > DX7 is never going to do PWM, Well, not real one, but some nice PWM style sounds are possible with the DX7 too. I think the SY77 and 99 can do it but in > a different way. Yep, I think it's using 2 saws, one of them inverted and bot layered with a little detune (the old workstation/PCM based synth trick). To be honest I haven't tried that with my TG77 yet... Other than that on the SY77/99 one can change the Phase of the waveforms, what with layering and detuning can create PWM like effects as well or by using a fixed frequency carrier at LFO frequency (0Hz waveshaping thing)... > >Shouldn't be ones first synth and one should be a passionate FM geek > >to get along with it. But I could imagine making a song with this > >synth only... > > making a song, sure, but I wouldn't want to do much more than one, I'd > end up beating my head against the wall trying to get a certain sound > on the VZ when the ESQ-M can do it much easier and much better. I for sure wouldn't go for an ESQ-M, I'm too much an FM geek and prefere real synthesis to taylor the waveforms instaed of simply layering them... I'm pretty much know my FM, so it wouldn't end up in headbanging... ;) ...Summa -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator Wellenform Chat So and Do 22.00 CET: http://chat.moogulator.com/
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Re: [CZsynth] VZ users-would you please say "I"
2005-08-27 by Summa