On 27 Aug 2005 at 14:37, Scott Nordlund wrote: > >Well, it can do most of the DX7 Algorithms, even same a DX7 can't > >do... > > How's that? Unless I'm missing something, the algorithms I'd consider > most useful (1, 3, 5, 12, 20, 21, and 22) don't seem to be possible on > the VZ architecture, at least without the fixed frequency limitation. #1 is possible, the complete 3-6 Operator line, if you can live with the 1:2 limitation for 1,2 and 5,6 even the complete algorithm.. #3 Same here with the 1:2 limitation...2,3 and 5,6 #5 1:2 limitation or dropping 1 line ... #12 both lines are possible but one of the lines will facing the 1:2 limitation for two of the operators, but that's depening on how you built it... #20 looks tricky but isn't since it's possible to part 1, 2, 3 in two new lines at the expense of needing an additional carrier, while 4, 5, 6 is easy to create ... #21 see #20 #22 see #20 > >The algorithms of the DX7 work within the limitation of its > >architecture, what means no Operator will have more than 3 inputs. > >They're not the most usefull ones, having worked a lot with FMHeaven > >and FM7 I create some quite even more usefull connections that a DX7 > >can't do.. > > I'm just wondering how an SY/TG-77/99 or FS1r improve things... One > day I'm going to have to pick one of those up... The FS1R isn't improving much algorithm wise, but using those modable/changable (frequency/bandwidth) formants as operator waveforms can do some nice tricks and FM get much more modable on that synth... TG77 is rather expanding the classic FM and has even a free algorithm, but with certain limitations like 3 feedbacks per algorithm... > >The VZ has quite some abilities that surpass the DX7, for instance > >that it can pitch the operator frequency down to 0Hz, what the DX > >can't, what can be used for very nice moving pad sounds or as sine > >waveshaper (it's not working with other waveforms than sine, since > >those are no real operator waveforms an the VZ as they aren't on the > >FS1R). Another thing is the 2nd LFO per Voice... > > 0 Hz? I've noticed it can go a lot lower than the DX but I don't > think it goes all the way down to 0 Hz... does it? It does go down to 0Hz... > The two LFOs are definately appreciated, though honestly I don't use > the tremolo much. Since it's possible to change its influence for single operators it can be the basis for moving/changing sounds and another way to create PWM type sounds... > I at least like the "multi" setting (but the TX802 > includes that, right?), and the way the controllers can change the > speed. No random wave though! T802 should be able to do what? Sorry, haven't had a good night sleep, so it might be my fault having problems understanding your question... > > I'm not saying the ESQ-M is the king of all synths any more than the > VZ is, but waveforms, when used with AM or sync, can do some radical AM before or after filter? > timbre changes that give very dynamic sounds. It's got more options > than you'd think, especially with modulation (which tends to be pretty > tame in FM synths, at least the ones I've used). For the VZ to > compete in that area, it would have to have multiple pitch envelopes > and LFOs that can be routed freely to control whatever (for instance, > LFOs in the ESQ-M can be used to crossfade oscillators, detune > oscillators against each other, modulate other LFOs, etc.). Sound like nice basic synthesis features to me, I still would prefere using an FM synth... Plus > filter overdrive, modulated panning (which I think the VZ-8M can do?), > and other nice little things like that. Well, I haven't tried that but the VZ-1 should be able to do panning too when layer a patch with tremolo settings with itsef and using the tremolo invert switch of the OP-Mems... > Of course, I got the Dave Smith Instruments Evolver recently, and it > has a totally sick modulation matrix that is way better... I have one too, but I'm pretty used working with a mod-matrix from other synths... ...Summa -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator Wellenform Chat So and Do 22.00 CET: http://chat.moogulator.com/
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Re: [CZsynth] VZ users-would you please say "I"
2005-08-27 by Summa