Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Narfman,

I was excited about it when I first ran across it.  So I signed up for
the board and offered to beta test it.  Since then I haven't heard
anything from anybody.  Checking the dates on the messages, there
hasn't been any activity in that thread since the beginning of
February.  So now I'm back to looking for my own solutions.

Anyway, I went over and bumped the thread just in case that helps.

m¡ke


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "narfman96" <narfman96@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> 
>  This is great!!! I helped Matt Gregory debug his TX81Z editor 
> because I actively use every Windoze operating system from 3.11 to XP 
> and now I'm starting to get exposed to Vista. You're in for a good 
> time...
> 
> If you can make sure he knows there's a bunch of us out here. Also 
> see if he knows the trick programming of the CZ's. The envelope 
> levels can top out at 127 not the 99 listed on the synth display. The 
> names can have lower case and quite a few more characters than the 
> synth will display too. 
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Fulfil Objective" <kasploosh@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Narfman,
> > 
> > Thanks for offering to rearrange some patches for me, but I'm afraid
> > it's one of those things I have to do myself.  When I get the urge 
> to
> > organize things, I have to do it myself or it doesn't scratch the
> > itch.  Don't worry about it, I'll figure out some way to do it.  
> Some
> > combination of DOS and Atari Emulators!
> > 
> > I was hopeful for a while that a new, modern patch editor was about 
> to
> > be released.  Read about it at this link:
> > http://www.em411.com/forum/1874/0//more_casio_cz1000queiries.html#
> > I posted there as "Organization" of course.
> > 
> > Also, thanks for the rundown of things that work for you.
> > 
> > m¡ke
> > 
> > 
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "narfman96" <narfman96@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey guys here's my experience with editors for my CZ-1 but these 
> > > editors are not free. 
> > > 
> > > MidiQuest works great for editing patches but will not edit the 
> Tone 
> > > Memory. They never wrote that part into their editor. I've tried 
> to 
> > > work with them on this but this synth is to obscure for them to 
> take 
> > > seriously. Also they had to send me an updated profile so I could 
> get 
> > > all 64 patches to and from the synth.
> > > 
> > > Unisyn works great for the CZ-1 but I have an old version of 
> > > Unisyn (V1.14) that only works up to Win98 and will not work with 
> XP 
> > > at all. Also I had to find an updated CZ-1 profile from a 
> programmer 
> > > that fixed the profile so it would work properly. I have these 
> > > profiles for the CZx000 and CZ-1 if anyone wants them. Motu won't 
> > > help with the XP thing at all. Grrrr!
> > > 
> > > I used every free editor I could find including the Atari ones 
> using 
> > > Steem and had the same luck. I could send patches back and forth 
> but 
> > > they never had all the parameters like velocity and aftertouch. 
> They 
> > > weren't specifically designed for the CZ-1. 
> > > 
> > > So here's the deal... If you give me a list of what types of 
> patches 
> > > or even specific ones I can put them in any order you need. I 
> will do 
> > > this to help out. I haven't played around with my CZ-1 in a while 
> so 
> > > I would like to. I'm working now on writing a bunch of patches 
> for a 
> > > Peavey Spectrum Synth module I just repaired. I could use a CZ 
> break.
> > > 
> > > Narfman   
> > > 
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Fulfil Objective" <kasploosh@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill,
> > > > 
> > > > I have never used a USB/MIDI interface, but it should work 
> fine.  If
> > > > it works for other MIDI applications, then it will work for 
> > > retrieving
> > > > patch data from your CZ-1.
> > > > 
> > > > I have a CZ-1 and I use Windows.  Here's what works for me:
> > > > 
> > > > Install this program on your computer:
> > > > http://www.midiox.com/
> > > > This program will be able to find your MIDI connection and will 
> be
> > > > able to talk to your CZ-1.
> > > > 
> > > > Next download the fabulous patches that Narfman made.  They 
> will 
> > > work
> > > > perfectly with your CZ-1.  They are located in the files 
> section of
> > > > this Yahoo Group.  Or you can find them at this link.
> > > > http://www.jz-
> > > server.de/forum/e107_files/public/1155731929_48_FT0_cz1vel01.zip
> > > > 
> > > > All you have to do after that is use MIDIOX to send the patches 
> from
> > > > your computer to the keyboard.  It's suprisingly easy.  If you 
> need
> > > > more detailed information, there is a tutorial on this website:
> > > > http://www.cosmosynthesizer.de/
> > > > 
> > > > m¡ke
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, bill bigrig <billbigrig@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Howdy,
> > > > > 
> > > > >  i have a Cz-1 and 2 cz-101s. My problem is, no midi
> > > > > port in computer. usb/midi interface only. I need to
> > > > > have aprogramthat will work with the CZ-1. Then i will
> > > > > download patches into the computer and send them out
> > > > > the usb port through the converter. after that,
> > > > > everything gets stored on an alesis midi disc. An
> > > > > editor would be nice too. My cz-101s have been modded
> > > > > to hold 4 banks of sounds on the ra-3 cartridge, so i
> > > > > think i could throw some in there too. I just need the
> > > > > download, librarian and editor stuff for the computer.
> > > > > i think the usb/midi box will work, i hope. THANX!
> > > > > Rig
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- Fulfil Objective <kasploosh@> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Mark,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Here is the general idea of how to use computers
> > > > > > along with your CZ
> > > > > > synthesizer:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The CZ synthesizer communicates with sysex data that
> > > > > > travels over a
> > > > > > midi cable.  A CZ synth can both send and receive
> > > > > > data.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If you have some sysex data, you can send it to your
> > > > > > computer.  And if
> > > > > > you have a keyboard full of sounds, you can send
> > > > > > them to your computer
> > > > > > and save them forever and ever.  Then reload them at
> > > > > > a later date.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > To do this, you need to connect your computer to
> > > > > > your keyboard with a
> > > > > > MIDI cable.  Then you need a computer program that
> > > > > > can send MIDI data
> > > > > > to your keyboard.  There are many differnt programs.
> > > > > >  I have had good
> > > > > > luck with MIDIOX. (http://www.midiox.com)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A couple n00b mistakes not to make:
> > > > > > - Connect the cables the right way, "midi out" from
> > > > > > the computer to
> > > > > > "midi in" on the synth
> > > > > > - To send data to your CZ synth you need to have the
> > > > > > protect switch off.
> > > > > > - To send data to your CZ synth you need to have
> > > > > > "System Exclusive
> > > > > > Tone Data" enabled.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Now all you have to do is find some sysex data to
> > > > > > load.  Look for
> > > > > > files that advertise "CZ patches" and have an
> > > > > > extension of ".syx".
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I would give you a link to some sysex data, but I
> > > > > > don't know which
> > > > > > synthesizer you have.  Different CZs hold different
> > > > > > amounts of data:
> > > > > > CZ-101: 16 user patches
> > > > > > CZ-1000: 16 user patches
> > > > > > CZ-3000: 32 user patches
> > > > > > CZ-5000: 32 user patches
> > > > > > CZ-1: 64 user patches
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It's best to find a sysex dump that came from the
> > > > > > same sort of machine
> > > > > > you have.  Which CZ do you use?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > There is a good tutorial on this site which helped
> > > > > > me out:
> > > > > > http://www.cosmosynthesizer.de/
> > > > > > When you visit that page, click on "MIDI & SYX" at
> > > > > > the top of the
> > > > > > page.  There you will find the tutorial on dumping
> > > > > > and loading.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Rauch"
> > > > > > <billbigrig@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Howdy,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  That is a good question. i have not used
> > > > > > computers at all in music. 
> > > > > > > but now i've decided to at least load some CZ
> > > > > > sounds off the net. 
> > > > > > > What do I need to do this? I have a dual usb/midi
> > > > > > adapter, that's 
> > > > > > > all. Where do I get a program to download sounds
> > > > > > and put them in the 
> > > > > > > synth/ thanx
> > > > > > > Rig
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Fulfil Objective"
> > > > > > <kasploosh@> 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also, I have been using the patch dumps you made
> > > > > > and I definitely
> > > > > > > > appreciate the work.  It's fun to pump the
> > > > > > machine full of new 
> > > > > > > sounds
> > > > > > > > in just a few seconds.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I have not been able to get a functioning patch
> > > > > > editor and librarian
> > > > > > > > working on my computer, though, and that's still
> > > > > > big hangnail in my
> > > > > > > > life.  I can dump sysex data back and forth with
> > > > > > MIDIOX.  But I 
> > > > > > > wish I
> > > > > > > > had a little (free) program on my computer that
> > > > > > would let me
> > > > > > > > manipulate the sysex data.  I've read back
> > > > > > through this yahoo group
> > > > > > > > for ideas, and tried all of them I could find.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > What I would like to be able to do is
> > > > > > rearrange/rename the patches 
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > any given sysex dump.  For example, you have
> > > > > > them arranged in what
> > > > > > > > looks like rough alphabetical order.  I would
> > > > > > like to make a dump 
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > is all organs, one that is all electric pianos,
> > > > > > one that is all toy
> > > > > > > > pianos, one that is all basses, one that is all
> > > > > > synth leads, etc. 
> > > > > > > > That way they would be more suited to my needs. 
> > > > > > It's just hex data,
> > > > > > > > so it doesn't seem like it would be that hard.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Also I'm on the lookout for a patch editor, so
> > > > > > that I can quickly 
> > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > changes on a computer and shoot them over to the
> > > > > > keyboard.  It seems
> > > > > > > > like that would be faster and better than
> > > > > > messing with the little 
> > > > > > > LCD
> > > > > > > > screen and nested menus.  I've read back in this
> > > > > > group as well, but
> > > > > > > > haven't had any luck.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I even ran the Atari emulator and tried CZDROID
> > > > > > and CZRIDER.  
> > > > > > > CZRIDER
> > > > > > > > was really promising as a patch editor, but it
> > > > > > wasn't quite 100%.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I also tried CZPATCH and CZEDIT running under
> > > > > > DOS emulators, but had
> > > > > > > > similar problems.  The programs worked, but they
> > > > > > couldn't talk to 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > keyboard, probably because they are being run
> > > > > > under emulators.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Here is a list of the things I've tried and some
> > > > > > of my notes:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > CZ Sysex Editor
> > > > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > > > by Alfonso Hermida
> > > > > > > > - Won't send data to CZ-1.
> > > > > > > > - Saves as .syx, so I can send the saved data
> > > > > > with MIDIOX.
> > > > > > > > - But MIDIOX doesn't transmit the patch names.
> > > > > > > > - Also, when saving as .syx the program doesn't
> > > > > > save the patch data.
> > > > > > > > - Can't control where patches are sent.
> > > > > > > > - Can't transmit velocity and aftertouch data.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > CZDROID running on STEEM Atari Emulator
> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > 1986 by Tom Bajoras
> > > > > > > > - Droid function for random patches is cool
> > > > > > > > - Edits patches fine, but doesn't send them to
> > > > > > the CZ-1
> > > > > > > > - Doesn't save data in a sysex format, so
> > > > > > patches created here can't
> > > > > > > > really be used.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > CZRIDER running on STEEM Atari Emulator
> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > by Bob Melvin
> > > > > > > > - Edits patches nicely
> > > > > > > > - Saves patches to disk
> > > > > > > > - Recalls saved patches
> > > > > > > > - Can send a collection of patches to CZ-1, but
> > > > > > patch names aren't
> > > > > > > > transmitted.
> > > > > > > > - Can't retrieve patch data from CZ-1.
> > > > > > > > - Can't transmit patch names.
> > > > > > > > - Can't control where patches are sent.
> > > > > > > > - Can't transmit velocity and aftertouch data.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > CZPATCH running on DOSBox DOS Emulator
> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > 1991 by Karl Schmidt
> > > > > > > > - Librarian only
> > > > > > > > - Can't talk MIDI with CZ-1, maybe because of
> > > > > > emulator
> > > > > > > > - Seems difficult to use for renaming and
> > > > > > regrouping patches.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > CZEDIT running on DOSBox DOS Emulator
> > > > > > > > -------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > 1988 by Gary P. Richardi
> > > > > > 
> > > > > === message truncated ===
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