Well, with 3 Operators (Sine) + 1x Feedback (selfmodulation) it's
possible to recreate every nonresonant CZ-Waveform + DCW type FM-
Sweeps, I tried that on the FM7 some years ago.
With FM-Synths a bit more sophisticated than a DX7, that allows to
tune Operators down to 0Hz for waveshaping use and feedback or saw as
carrier waveform, it's not even very complicated to create
Plulsewidthmodulation.
On 16 Apr 2008 at 3:20, Scott Nordlund wrote:
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> Part of the difference is that FM (assuming sine wave operators) has a
> hard time making the sort of broad-spectrum sound (like a saw or
> square wave) that we've come to associate with analog synths. Phase
> distortion offers the possibility of broad-spectrum waveforms and
> pseudo-filtering while still allowing plenty of FM-like tones.
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> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> From: wilson.zorn@...
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:55:12 -0700
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: CZ-Synthesis
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> From: "synergeezer" <synergeezer@...>
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> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
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> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: CZ-Synthesis
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> > Firstly, let me say that I've always been pretty satisfied with the
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> > Since FM already had a long (since B.C. [Before Chowning]) and
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> > illustrious history in radio (I don't mean a variety show!), and was
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> > understood as a sine (cosine) wave modifying a sine (cosine) wave,
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> > there were lots of sources for printouts and graphs of the Bessel
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> > it would have misled me if Casio had called the CZs "frequency" or
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> > "phase" modulation synthesizers. The Bessel graphs don't help much
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> > Although, technically (so I've read), the DX7 and its kin use PM,
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> > rather than the FM claimed, the Bessel graphs still help.
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> > I guess that anything using a modulator and carrier that are not
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> > sine (cosine) waves could be considered PD, the way I think of it.
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> > So, I think of the TX81Z as a PD synth (this might be where I would
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> > modulation varieties). I think of the VZs (which I love!) as PM
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> > synths with PD abilities. I also think of the Synergy as a PM
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> > although it has a non-sine wave available (a kind of pointy sine
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> > I completely agree that the CZs are far easier to program than FM/PM
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> > synths, but I think FM/PM synths are more "powerful" and "versatile"
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> > than the CZs. Please, don't think that I am putting down the CZs -
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> > love them! I have a CZ1, 5000, and two 101s. A CZ is my first
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> > recommendation for a beginning synthesist who wants to learn to
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> > program. Most people can be having loads of fun programming a CZ in
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> > especially, a VZ, I find something I've never heard before!
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> > developed, anymore. But, fairly recently, Yamaha made the FS1R (16
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> > operators, OK 8+8), which I have not plunged into programming, yet,
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> > - synergeezer
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> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Wilson Zorn" <wilson.zorn@...>
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RE: [CZsynth] Re: CZ-Synthesis
2008-04-16 by Summa