Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

I should mention, last night we needed to add a keyboard to something, and I 
knew I'd be going more old school, and despite this thread I actually ended 
up using my DX100, not the CZ5000!

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From: "Wilson Zorn" <wilson.zorn@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: CZ-Synthesis


> Interesting, thanks, it sounds like that relates to what appeals to me 
> about PD.
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> From: "Scott Nordlund" <gsn10@...>
> To: <czsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: CZ-Synthesis
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> Part of the difference is that FM (assuming sine wave operators) has a 
> hard time making the sort of broad-spectrum sound (like a saw or square 
> wave) that we've come to associate with analog synths.  Phase distortion 
> offers the possibility of broad-spectrum waveforms and pseudo-filtering 
> while still allowing plenty of FM-like tones.
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> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> From: wilson.zorn@...
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:55:12 -0700
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: CZ-Synthesis
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> phraseology is a bit more clear than "powerful", if you don't mind) than 
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> it's "to my ears" rather than any more general statement.
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> From: "synergeezer" <synergeezer@...>
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> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
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> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: CZ-Synthesis
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>> Firstly, let me say that I've always been pretty satisfied with the
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>> (marketing) distinctions between FM, PM, and PD synthesizers.
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>> Since FM already had a long (since B.C. [Before Chowning]) and
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>> illustrious history in radio (I don't mean a variety show!), and was
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>> understood as a sine (cosine) wave modifying a sine (cosine) wave, and
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>> there were lots of sources for printouts and graphs of the Bessel
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>> functions, to help with understanding the sidebands generated, I think
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>> it would have misled me if Casio had called the CZs "frequency" or
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>> "phase" modulation synthesizers.  The Bessel graphs don't help much
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>> Although, technically (so I've read), the DX7 and its kin use PM,
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>> rather than the FM claimed, the Bessel graphs still help.
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>> I guess that anything using a modulator and carrier that are not both
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>> sine (cosine) waves could be considered PD, the way I think of it.
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>> So, I think of the TX81Z as a PD synth (this might be where I would
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>> say the "FM" description is misleading; the value in the TX81Z comes
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>> more from the complex waveforms available, rather than from the
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>> modulation varieties).  I think of the VZs (which I love!) as PM
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>> synths with PD abilities.  I also think of the Synergy as a PM synth,
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>> although it has a non-sine wave available (a kind of pointy sine wave,
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>> or over-inflated triangle wave).
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>> I completely agree that the CZs are far easier to program than FM/PM
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>> synths, but I think FM/PM synths are more "powerful" and "versatile"
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>> than the CZs.  Please, don't think that I am putting down the CZs - I
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>> love them!  I have a CZ1, 5000, and two 101s.  A CZ is my first
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>> recommendation for a beginning synthesist who wants to learn to
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>> program.  Most people can be having loads of fun programming a CZ in a
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>> Even more interesting to me are the FM/PM synths, whose power remains
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>> especially, a VZ, I find something I've never heard before!
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>> developed, anymore.  But, fairly recently, Yamaha made the FS1R (16
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>> operators, OK 8+8), which I have not plunged into programming, yet,
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>> but the presets are worth current cost.
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>> - synergeezer
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>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Wilson Zorn" <wilson.zorn@...> wrote:
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>>> I'm very sad that PD died.  I love it, and that's even at the
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