The handshaking to which you refer,requires the use of TWO midiox instances as suggested in my other contribution. The code to send as a prompt for the CZ to give up a patch is at the URL in my other mail. The two instances of midiox need to be set to TX and RX respectively using the OPTIONS drop down and choosing MIDI DEVICES and setting once instance to the OUT port and the other to the IN.
Send the prompt code to the OUT so that it goes to the CZ in.This will prompt it to give up the patch sysx and it will send it to the PC IN - where you should have set the other MIDIox instance ready to receive a manual dump - the second instance will then capture the patches...one by one - to my knowledge there is no complete dump,short of sending multiple patch dump requests one after another.
Note that the patch data can be edited (as shown in my links) and sent back to another patch location,as is indeed the case if one wishes to store the patch in a 230s which only has the last 4 locations as RAM. This works as I currently use this to store CZ patches,though I am using Win98 to avoid latency problems.
--- On Thu, 29/9/11, hector <hectorcrawfish@...> wrote:
From: hector <hectorcrawfish@...>
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Sysx patches and CZ101
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 6:46
The usb interface is a generic cheapo unit which is plug n play and did not come with any drivers. It seems to work OK. I have tested sysex thruput by doing a one way dump from a roland D110 to MIDI OX and it worked. The handshake transfer does not seem to work.
The CZ does not have a patch send receive command and relies on the application on the PC for this to occur. I'd like to at least be able to save any patches I create. Not for the 1st time I regret getting rid of my Atari ST
anyway here are i think the patches i originally wanted
http://web.aanet.com.au/cupcake/cz/PW_VOL1A.SYX
http://web.aanet.com.au/cupcake/cz/PW_VOL1B.SYX
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> Footnote: On another forum some people have suggested that some usb interfaces do not pass on sysex. I don't know if that's the case here, but you should be able to test that--send a sysex dump to midi-ox. If it doesn't see it, the usb interface is blocking sysex. (You say that note on and program changes work, but did you test sysex messages?)
>
> As Summa suggests--use manufacturers' drivers, not Windows
>
> Also, are your dumps pure sysex, or did the software you used alter the data in any way?
>
> If you can, upload a sample patch bank for others to test.
>
> Hope you can get it working.
>
> Steve
>
> PS: I never had a CZ-101. Does it have a memory protect switch?
>
>
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote:
> >
> > What USB MIDI Interface are you using? When it come to sysex
> > transfere, I run into several problems with the (class compliant)
> > ones running with the windows built in drivers.
> >
> > When it comes to MIDI-OX try those rather conservative settings...
> >
> > http://www.doepfer.net/update/shared/screens/mox_sysex_buffers.jpg
> >
> > On 28 Sep 2011 at 10:00, hector wrote:
> >
> > > This subject has probably been covered before but I don't seem to
> > > find an answer to the problem I'm having.
> > >
> > > After a very long break (about 20 years) I've started mucking around
> > > with electronic music again. I have a CZ101 which works perfectly
> > > after unsticking some keys and buttons it still sounds deliciously
> > > bizarre however I'm damned if I can load and save any patches. I had
> > > to reset the thing as the internal banks had faded away but apart
> > > from that there does not seem to be anything wrong.
> > >
> > > I have a MIDI/USB interface to a windows 7 PC and I have verified
> > > MIDI messages are sent and received. inc note on note off, program
> > > changes etc.
> > >
> > > Years ago I created some nasty patches and saved them as sysx dumps
> > > using Soundlib. I have installed MIDI OX and no matter what I do the
> > > CZ refuses to save and load sysx data. I can see note on note off
> > > messages being sent. When sending a patck The MIDI/USB interface
> > > lights up showing data is transferring however the banks don't
> > > change. I've changed every parameter which I think will work but
> > > nothing. I've installed soundlib on an XP machine with same result
> > > as well as another patch editor yet the keyboard resolutely fails to
> > > accept or send any patches. I'm absolutely stumped. Is this a USB
> > > problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth
> > FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/
> > FS1R mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fs1r/
> > Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator
> > FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fm-
> > synthesis/
> >
> > http://www.summasounds.de/
> >
>
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Sysx patches and CZ101
2011-09-29 by Lee Borrell