Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Hi all. I'm trying to transmit some Sysex libraries for the first 
time to my VZ-10M and I can't find the right way to do it. 

I've tried several Sysex programs (SysEx1.0, ChangeIt!, and even 
VZPATCH which gives me errors on WinME, therefore I haven't been 
able to effectively use it), without success. 

The VZ is configured to receive on channel 1, excluse parameter is 
enabled, and I manually set it to receive MIDI VOICE/OP. I'm using a 
MOTU MicroExpress to merge all my MIDI setup and I've been always 
able to control the VZ from a Roland JV-90 that I use as my master 
keyboard. 

I'm able to transmit the memory content to the PC successfully, as 
it indicates so, but it is a different situation when I try to 
upload from the PC back to the VZ. Anyone has any clue on how to 
sort it out? I've noticed every program uses a different MIDI config 
on regards to block size, etc. but I'm not quite sure what it means. 

Gus.

i was running into the same problems. it seems that all those vz-tools
are only running on win98... i am on xp now and it also doesn´t work
for me! For simple sysex dumps use "midiox". But when you want to
transfer vz specific files (".vz1" or whatever they are called) you
have to use win98. However what do you mena with the program "VZPATCH"
? Is it that one from Easy VeeZee?





--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "gusmm.geo" <gusfmm@y...> wrote:

> Hi all. I'm trying to transmit some Sysex libraries for the first 
> time to my VZ-10M and I can't find the right way to do it. 
> 
> I've tried several Sysex programs (SysEx1.0, ChangeIt!, and even 
> VZPATCH which gives me errors on WinME, therefore I haven't been 
> able to effectively use it), without success. 
> 
> The VZ is configured to receive on channel 1, excluse parameter is 
> enabled, and I manually set it to receive MIDI VOICE/OP. I'm using a 
> MOTU MicroExpress to merge all my MIDI setup and I've been always 
> able to control the VZ from a Roland JV-90 that I use as my master 
> keyboard. 
> 
> I'm able to transmit the memory content to the PC successfully, as 
> it indicates so, but it is a different situation when I try to 
> upload from the PC back to the VZ. Anyone has any clue on how to 
> sort it out? I've noticed every program uses a different MIDI config 
> on regards to block size, etc. but I'm not quite sure what it means. 
> 
> Gus.

Yes Phono, that same one. I thought it was ultimately going to make 
the trick for me (as it was programmed specifically for the VZs), 
but it doesn't seem to like my system's  MIDI config. When I restart 
the computer with the MidiExpress off so that I just get the few 
MIDI I/Os from my two PC sound cards, then it starts up well, but 
shortly after it presents an error message and shuts down. I fear 
it's 16bit code and in several cases, run-time DLLs have functions 
no longer compatible with newer OS, as you implied.

I tried yesterday Midi-OX and it didn't work either, although I 
liked it the most among the handful progs I've tried so far. It 
seems it is something with the way the VZ-10M accepts SysEx 
commands, as I can do a memory dump to the PC apparently well. But 
uploading a bank from the PC, that's a different story.

I can try to program something by myself using VC++ v6 so that any 
kind of OS incompatibility is no longer a factor, but I was trying 
to avoid it if possible as I'd have to study the VZ's SysEx 
implementation and I guess be willing to do some trial and error.

I don't know, any other idea?

Gus.


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> 
wrote:
> i was running into the same problems. it seems that all those vz-
tools
> are only running on win98... i am on xp now and it also doesn´t 
work
> for me! For simple sysex dumps use "midiox". But when you want to
> transfer vz specific files (".vz1" or whatever they are called) you
> have to use win98. However what do you mena with the 
program "VZPATCH"
> ? Is it that one from Easy VeeZee?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "gusmm.geo" <gusfmm@y...> wrote:
> > Hi all. I'm trying to transmit some Sysex libraries for the 
first 
> > time to my VZ-10M and I can't find the right way to do it. 
> > 
> > I've tried several Sysex programs (SysEx1.0, ChangeIt!, and even 
> > VZPATCH which gives me errors on WinME, therefore I haven't been 
> > able to effectively use it), without success. 
> > 
> > The VZ is configured to receive on channel 1, excluse parameter 
is 
> > enabled, and I manually set it to receive MIDI VOICE/OP. I'm 
using a 
> > MOTU MicroExpress to merge all my MIDI setup and I've been 
always 
> > able to control the VZ from a Roland JV-90 that I use as my 
master 
> > keyboard. 
> > 
> > I'm able to transmit the memory content to the PC successfully, 
as 
> > it indicates so, but it is a different situation when I try to 
> > upload from the PC back to the VZ. Anyone has any clue on how to 
> > sort it out? I've noticed every program uses a different MIDI 
config 
> > on regards to block size, etc. but I'm not quite sure what it 
means. 
> > 
> > Gus.

i guess a lot of people would be happy if you could make that VZPATCH
editor working on XP or others OS somehow. The guy that programmed the
orginal software seems to be not interested in doing that. But you may
ask him friendly?

when you want to transfer pure SYSEX FILES, midiox should be working
for you. The problem that i also have is to upload all the VZ Sounds
and Banks that are stored with that special VZ Extension (*.VZ1)

also a simple converter could do the job: VZ1->SYSEX 
-p



--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "gusmm.geo" <gusfmm@y...> wrote:

> Yes Phono, that same one. I thought it was ultimately going to make 
> the trick for me (as it was programmed specifically for the VZs), 
> but it doesn't seem to like my system's  MIDI config. When I restart 
> the computer with the MidiExpress off so that I just get the few 
> MIDI I/Os from my two PC sound cards, then it starts up well, but 
> shortly after it presents an error message and shuts down. I fear 
> it's 16bit code and in several cases, run-time DLLs have functions 
> no longer compatible with newer OS, as you implied.
> 
> I tried yesterday Midi-OX and it didn't work either, although I 
> liked it the most among the handful progs I've tried so far. It 
> seems it is something with the way the VZ-10M accepts SysEx 
> commands, as I can do a memory dump to the PC apparently well. But 
> uploading a bank from the PC, that's a different story.
> 
> I can try to program something by myself using VC++ v6 so that any 
> kind of OS incompatibility is no longer a factor, but I was trying 
> to avoid it if possible as I'd have to study the VZ's SysEx 
> implementation and I guess be willing to do some trial and error.
> 
> I don't know, any other idea?
> 
> Gus.
> 
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> 
> wrote:
> > i was running into the same problems. it seems that all those vz-
> tools
> > are only running on win98... i am on xp now and it also doesn´t 
> work
> > for me! For simple sysex dumps use "midiox". But when you want to
> > transfer vz specific files (".vz1" or whatever they are called) you
> > have to use win98. However what do you mena with the 
> program "VZPATCH"
> > ? Is it that one from Easy VeeZee?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "gusmm.geo" <gusfmm@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi all. I'm trying to transmit some Sysex libraries for the 
> first 
> > > time to my VZ-10M and I can't find the right way to do it. 
> > > 
> > > I've tried several Sysex programs (SysEx1.0, ChangeIt!, and even 
> > > VZPATCH which gives me errors on WinME, therefore I haven't been 
> > > able to effectively use it), without success. 
> > > 
> > > The VZ is configured to receive on channel 1, excluse parameter 
> is 
> > > enabled, and I manually set it to receive MIDI VOICE/OP. I'm 
> using a 
> > > MOTU MicroExpress to merge all my MIDI setup and I've been 
> always 
> > > able to control the VZ from a Roland JV-90 that I use as my 
> master 
> > > keyboard. 
> > > 
> > > I'm able to transmit the memory content to the PC successfully, 
> as 
> > > it indicates so, but it is a different situation when I try to 
> > > upload from the PC back to the VZ. Anyone has any clue on how to 
> > > sort it out? I've noticed every program uses a different MIDI 
> config 
> > > on regards to block size, etc. but I'm not quite sure what it 
> means. 
> > > 
> > > Gus.

Sorry to bark in,
but have you tried Emagic SoundDiver ?
I seem to remember that the VZ is supported.
Regards:
       Darth

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no, haven´t tried yet. Does it support that VZ file extensions?




--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Zsolt Szabo" <d_a_r_t_h@g...> wrote:

> Sorry to bark in,
> but have you tried Emagic SoundDiver ?
> I seem to remember that the VZ is supported.
> Regards:
>        Darth
> 
> -- 
> "Sie haben neue Mails!" - Die GMX Toolbar informiert Sie beim Surfen!
> Jetzt aktivieren unter http://www.gmx.net/info

As silly as it could seem, that's quite a good point Darth. I wanted 
to buy one a few months ago just to discover that Emagic had just 
discontinued the Windows version. Although there is still limited 
support on its Yahoo group, they publicaly announced it wasn't going 
to be upgraded anymore. Reasons: Unknown as far as I understand (I 
guess a rather deeper Emagic's marketing motivation, who knows, but 
I'd guess it wasn't because lack of sales as I bet Win sales must 
have been higher than Mac-OS). 

Anyway, I couldn't find any copy available out there, and I also 
refuse to buy a >$150 piece of software that is going to be obsolete 
in a couple of years (or less). But the whole situation is really a 
shame, as Win users are now left with virtually no other option than 
MidiQuest (I don't consider Unisyn being one), and you don't see as 
many addepts as SDs'.

I have SD Win OEM for my Kawai K5000 and I really like it. But can't 
use it for anything else...  =-(

Gus.


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Zsolt Szabo" <d_a_r_t_h@g...> wrote:
> Sorry to bark in,
> but have you tried Emagic SoundDiver ?
> I seem to remember that the VZ is supported.
> Regards:
>        Darth
> 
> -- 
> "Sie haben neue Mails!" - Die GMX Toolbar informiert Sie beim 
Surfen!
> Jetzt aktivieren unter http://www.gmx.net/info

Sorry, I didn't follow the thread from the begining.
What's the thing with the VZ file format ? (sorry I don't keep an archive)
Tonight I checked SoundDiver v. 3.0.5 for you and the VZ-10M
is supported indeed. However I couldn't find any extra menu item which
would refer to a special file import/export operation and the standard
options are SMF and raw sysex.
So I installed the VZ-10M in demo mode and checked through the edit pages
and still couldn't find such an option...
Regards:
    Darth

----- Original Message -----
From: "phonophobie" <sidstation@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:35 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Sysex with a VZ-10M


no, haven\ufffdt tried yet. Does it support that VZ file extensions?




--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Zsolt Szabo" <d_a_r_t_h@g...> wrote:
> Sorry to bark in,
> but have you tried Emagic SoundDiver ?
> I seem to remember that the VZ is supported.
> Regards:
>        Darth
>
> --
> "Sie haben neue Mails!" - Die GMX Toolbar informiert Sie beim Surfen!
> Jetzt aktivieren unter http://www.gmx.net/info





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That file format Phono is talking about is the custom format that 
program (VZPATCH) uses to save VZ's banks when dumped to the PC.

I imagine it includes some extra info Steve (the guy who programmed 
it) uses for some internal functionality of the program.

I don't think there is any prog to convert between the two formats 
(.vz1 -> .syx and vice-versa). You are right about SD, the only 
format it should be able to handle is pure SysEx.

What OS are you using Darth? Are you able to dump banks (both ways) 
successfully to the VZ with SD?

Gus.




--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Darth" <d_a_r_t_h@g...> wrote:
> Sorry, I didn't follow the thread from the begining.
> What's the thing with the VZ file format ? (sorry I don't keep an 
archive)
> Tonight I checked SoundDiver v. 3.0.5 for you and the VZ-10M
> is supported indeed. However I couldn't find any extra menu item 
which
> would refer to a special file import/export operation and the 
standard
> options are SMF and raw sysex.
> So I installed the VZ-10M in demo mode and checked through the 
edit pages

> and still couldn't find such an option...
> Regards:
>     Darth
>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gusmm.geo" <gusfmm@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:25 AM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Sysex with a VZ-10M


> That file format Phono is talking about is the custom format that 
> program (VZPATCH) uses to save VZ's banks when dumped to the PC.
> 
> I imagine it includes some extra info Steve (the guy who programmed 
> it) uses for some internal functionality of the program.
> 
> I don't think there is any prog to convert between the two formats 
> (.vz1 -> .syx and vice-versa). You are right about SD, the only 
> format it should be able to handle is pure SysEx.
> 
> What OS are you using Darth? Are you able to dump banks (both ways) 
> successfully to the VZ with SD?

Hi,
I'm using WinXP Professional flat (no service packs).
Unfortunately I can't comment on the VZ. I only have a CZ-1
which works perfect with SD. That's why I had to install the
VZ in demo mode. However I assume SD works equally well with
the VZ, it's supported for a long time and the ocassional bugs may
have benn ironed out. Generally to answer the comments on the
usability of SD I couldn't live without it - all my modules are supported
and handled equally well. Since I'm using Logic it's a must for me,
and the Logic-SD autolink feature is a godsend...
Regards:
    Darth

> Gus.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Darth" <d_a_r_t_h@g...> wrote:
> > Sorry, I didn't follow the thread from the begining.
> > What's the thing with the VZ file format ? (sorry I don't keep an 
> archive)
> > Tonight I checked SoundDiver v. 3.0.5 for you and the VZ-10M
> > is supported indeed. However I couldn't find any extra menu item 
> which
> > would refer to a special file import/export operation and the 
> standard
> > options are SMF and raw sysex.
> > So I installed the VZ-10M in demo mode and checked through the 
> edit pages
> > and still couldn't find such an option...
> > Regards:
> >     Darth
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>  
>

Hi

Just to chip in...

The VZ is supported by Midi Quest from Sound Quest so if you are in the
market for an Editor Librarian this may be an option.

I have had no problems loading Sysex to a VZ-8 from XP.

The files that you have in VZ1 format, do you know where they were sourced?
They may be copies of the widely available presets so you might find them in
Sysex format somewhere...

I'm sure that I had the free editor working on XP at one point but no longer
have it installed so can't verify this at the moment.

Regards
 
Graham