Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

CZ1 471 Single Sysex Patches by Narf.zip  wont load into my cz5000.
FrankOsCZsounds.zip  these work fine
to try and solve the problem i looked into the sysex file. the ones that 
worked were 264 bytes and the Narf-ones were 304 bytes.

the Narf ones contain an additional 8 bytes at the start
 f0 44 00 00 70 70 4d 00 70
and then
 f0 44 00 00 70 70 21 60 xx

where the Ozs ones start with the second row
 f0 44 00 00 70 70 20 60 xx

only with 20 instead of 21 so when i replace 21 with 20 they will load into 
the synth but i think the envelopes are a bit screwed.

I suspect the solution is simple but i cant figure it out. If someone has 
their sysex head screwed on Id be grateful for some advice.

regards,
Peter

Hi Peter,

The 4d in the 7th byte tells a CZ1 to switch into "Normal Mode" to 
accept single patch data. The CZ5000 has no idea what this string 
means....

The 21 (7th byte) in the second message tells a CZ1 that this is a 
CZ1 patch dump from another CZ1 or a PC. The CZ5000 has no idea what 
this string means either....

The 20 in the 7th byte tells the CZ5000 this is a CZ1 patch dump. 
Great job figuring this out by inspecting the other file! I found all 
this info in the CZ1 midi spec.

The envelopes will be messed up on some or even most of the patches 
for sure. The CZ1 has velocity scaling for the DCO, DCW, and DCA 
envelopes. The CZ5000 is wide open all the time. If any velocity 
scaleable pitch envelopes are used the CZ5000 will really sound out 
to lunch. I made most all of these CZ1 patches from CZ5000 patches 
and added the velocity settings. I probably have the original CZ5000 
patches stored somewhere in my libraries if you want them I could try 
and dig them up. It's been a while.

Hope this helps, Fran aka Narfman

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "peter ripa" <peter.ripa@...> wrote:
>
> CZ1 471 Single Sysex Patches by Narf.zip  wont load into my cz5000.
> FrankOsCZsounds.zip  these work fine
> to try and solve the problem i looked into the sysex file. the ones 
that 
> worked were 264 bytes and the Narf-ones were 304 bytes.
> 
> the Narf ones contain an additional 8 bytes at the start
>  f0 44 00 00 70 70 4d 00 70
> and then
>  f0 44 00 00 70 70 21 60 xx
> 
> where the Ozs ones start with the second row
>  f0 44 00 00 70 70 20 60 xx
> 
> only with 20 instead of 21 so when i replace 21 with 20 they will 
load into 
> the synth but i think the envelopes are a bit screwed.
> 
> I suspect the solution is simple but i cant figure it out. If 
someone has 

> their sysex head screwed on Id be grateful for some advice.
> 
> regards,
> Peter
>

Hi Fran,
Ah, I assumed the dumps were interchangeable between all cz-series synths, 
no wonder the envelopes were a bit "all out".
If you have the cz5000 format patches somewhere Id greatly appreciate them.
thanks for your reply,
Peter

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "narfman96" <narfman96@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:10 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: problems loading sounds from sysex


> Hi Peter,
>
> The 4d in the 7th byte tells a CZ1 to switch into "Normal Mode" to
> accept single patch data. The CZ5000 has no idea what this string
> means....
>
> The 21 (7th byte) in the second message tells a CZ1 that this is a
> CZ1 patch dump from another CZ1 or a PC. The CZ5000 has no idea what
> this string means either....
>
> The 20 in the 7th byte tells the CZ5000 this is a CZ1 patch dump.
> Great job figuring this out by inspecting the other file! I found all
> this info in the CZ1 midi spec.
>
> The envelopes will be messed up on some or even most of the patches
> for sure. The CZ1 has velocity scaling for the DCO, DCW, and DCA
> envelopes. The CZ5000 is wide open all the time. If any velocity
> scaleable pitch envelopes are used the CZ5000 will really sound out
> to lunch. I made most all of these CZ1 patches from CZ5000 patches
> and added the velocity settings. I probably have the original CZ5000
> patches stored somewhere in my libraries if you want them I could try
> and dig them up. It's been a while.
>
> Hope this helps, Fran aka Narfman
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "peter ripa" <peter.ripa@...> wrote:
>>
>> CZ1 471 Single Sysex Patches by Narf.zip  wont load into my cz5000.
>> FrankOsCZsounds.zip  these work fine
>> to try and solve the problem i looked into the sysex file. the ones
> that
>> worked were 264 bytes and the Narf-ones were 304 bytes.
>>
>> the Narf ones contain an additional 8 bytes at the start
>>  f0 44 00 00 70 70 4d 00 70
>> and then
>>  f0 44 00 00 70 70 21 60 xx
>>
>> where the Ozs ones start with the second row
>>  f0 44 00 00 70 70 20 60 xx
>>
>> only with 20 instead of 21 so when i replace 21 with 20 they will
> load into
>> the synth but i think the envelopes are a bit screwed.
>>
>> I suspect the solution is simple but i cant figure it out. If
> someone has
>> their sysex head screwed on Id be grateful for some advice.
>>
>> regards,
>> Peter
>>
>
>
>
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