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2012-10-22 by Brian Harding
Hi, Could I respectfully request that 'top posters' change to digest mode for a couple of days?? Don't want to start a quarrel - but this is what top-posting did to a 2 message digest:P Please read carefully all the way to the bottom - you should see what I'm talking about;) Thanks for you interest, Take care . . . Brian
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On 22 Oct 2012, at 16:59, CZsynth@yahoogroups.com wrote: > There are 2 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1a. Re: casio fz10m > From: Jason Adkins > 1b. Re: casio fz10m > From: jammie > > > Messages > ________________________________________________________________________ > 1a. Re: casio fz10m > Posted by: "Jason Adkins" jason_ralf808@... metatone_2000 > Date: Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:47 am ((PDT)) > > Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and > reply or argue with that. > My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe > is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly > sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I > have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + > others and this is equally nice. > > J > > > On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: > >> it was becuase every thing went digital >> >> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and 01w >> >> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >> >> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >> >> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with >> digital osc >> >> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths >> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca >> >> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >> >> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >> >> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one >> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >> fast enough >> >> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >> >> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input >> >> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining >> which adds latency >> >> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >> >> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control >> by cpu and analog audio path >> >> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control >> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and >> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >> >> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and >> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >> >> this was first done on an 8bit system >> >> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little >> steppy >> >> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit >> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it >> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >> >> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital >> and a new analog filter >> >> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >> >> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >> >> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can >> do >> >> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >> >> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do >> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >> >> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing >> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >> losing all the detail of the wavetable >> >> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did >> not use res >> >> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table >> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used sin/ >> tri/square/saw noise waves >> >> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can >> do some neat filter tricks >> >> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the >> 135mb optical drives >> >> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >> >> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >> >> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware sequencer >> >> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >> >> tx16w >> >> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >> >> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support >> >> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >> >> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >> >> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second >> hand mula >> >> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add >> your own >> >> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and >> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >> >> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very >> good synth type sounds >> >> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter >> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and >> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >> >> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key >> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter >> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel >> made it so much fatter with doing chords >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jason Adkins >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >> >> >> >> Hiya, >> >> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. >> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the >> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they >> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't >> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >> >> J >> >> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >> >>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>> >>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters >>> and they are warm >>> >>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths >>> through it >>> >>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>> >>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>> matrix12 >>> >>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf >>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >>> waveshapes you want >>> >>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>> series >>> >>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>> >>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>> >>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>> >>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>> >>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>> >>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>> >>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with >>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>> >>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by >>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower >>> you can get very fat sounds >>> >>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but >>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco >>> of the roland series >>> >>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jason Adkins >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good >>> as >>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the >>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue >>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody >>> and >>> his wife bought an Akai. >>> >>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting >>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>> >>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of >>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the >>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>> >>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>> >>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near >>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card >>>> >>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>> >>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it >>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>> >>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>>> filters >>>> >>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to >>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a >>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase >>>> you need 7v for that >>>> >>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi >>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>> >>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but >>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>> >>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set >>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and >>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a >>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg >>>> wavetables >>>> >>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or >>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use >>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>> >>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>> >>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it >>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>> >>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>> >>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari >>>> >>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this >>>> and made it easy for looping >>>> >>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them >>>> like the ppg >>>> >>>> i have done all the ppg >>>> >>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg >>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle >>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>> >>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Jammie, >>>> >>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here >>>> has >>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used >>>> to >>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things >>>> are >>>> f**king huge. >>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>> >>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the >>>>> k3 >>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis >>>>> >>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you >>>>> can >>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>> >>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: jammie >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>> >>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>> >>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>> >>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>> sounds >>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>> synth/ >>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg >>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for >>>>> the >>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>> samplers >>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing >>>>> using a slider too. >>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a >>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>>> have a >>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz >>>>> drive. >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>> personally? >>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> charles >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it >>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as >>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? >>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the >>>>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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Re: casio fz10m > Posted by: "jammie" jammie.emma@... jammie.emma > Date: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:50 am ((PDT)) > > yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics > > but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components but they are matches better > > and provide superior sound > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and > reply or argue with that. > My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe > is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly > sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I > have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + > others and this is equally nice. > > J > > On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: > >> it was becuase every thing went digital >> >> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and 01w >> >> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >> >> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >> >> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with >> digital osc >> >> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths >> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca >> >> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >> >> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >> >> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one >> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >> fast enough >> >> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >> >> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input >> >> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining >> which adds latency >> >> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >> >> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control >> by cpu and analog audio path >> >> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control >> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and >> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >> >> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and >> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >> >> this was first done on an 8bit system >> >> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little >> steppy >> >> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit >> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it >> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >> >> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital >> and a new analog filter >> >> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >> >> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >> >> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can >> do >> >> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >> >> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do >> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >> >> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing >> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >> losing all the detail of the wavetable >> >> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did >> not use res >> >> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table >> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used sin/ >> tri/square/saw noise waves >> >> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can >> do some neat filter tricks >> >> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the >> 135mb optical drives >> >> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >> >> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >> >> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware sequencer >> >> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >> >> tx16w >> >> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >> >> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support >> >> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >> >> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >> >> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second >> hand mula >> >> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add >> your own >> >> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and >> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >> >> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very >> good synth type sounds >> >> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter >> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and >> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >> >> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key >> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter >> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel >> made it so much fatter with doing chords >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jason Adkins >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >> >> >> >> Hiya, >> >> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. >> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the >> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they >> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't >> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >> >> J >> >> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >> >>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>> >>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters >>> and they are warm >>> >>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths >>> through it >>> >>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>> >>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>> matrix12 >>> >>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf >>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >>> waveshapes you want >>> >>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>> series >>> >>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>> >>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>> >>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>> >>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>> >>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>> >>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>> >>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with >>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>> >>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by >>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower >>> you can get very fat sounds >>> >>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but >>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco >>> of the roland series >>> >>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jason Adkins >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good >>> as >>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the >>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue >>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody >>> and >>> his wife bought an Akai. >>> >>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting >>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>> >>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of >>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the >>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>> >>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>> >>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near >>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card >>>> >>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>> >>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it >>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>> >>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>>> filters >>>> >>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to >>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a >>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase >>>> you need 7v for that >>>> >>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi >>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>> >>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but >>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>> >>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set >>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and >>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a >>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg >>>> wavetables >>>> >>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or >>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use >>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>> >>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>> >>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it >>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>> >>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>> >>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari >>>> >>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this >>>> and made it easy for looping >>>> >>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them >>>> like the ppg >>>> >>>> i have done all the ppg >>>> >>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg >>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle >>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>> >>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Jammie, >>>> >>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here >>>> has >>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used >>>> to >>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things >>>> are >>>> f**king huge. >>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>> >>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the >>>>> k3 >>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis >>>>> >>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you >>>>> can >>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>> >>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: jammie >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>> >>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>> >>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>> >>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>> sounds >>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>> synth/ >>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg >>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for >>>>> the >>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>> samplers >>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing >>>>> using a slider too. >>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a >>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>>> have a >>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz >>>>> drive. >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>> personally? >>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> charles >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it >>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as >>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? >>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the >>>>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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