Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

Give me a break.  It's in the PER manual that it chains with a 
desktop.  If you claim it's a feature and you even put it in the 
manual you would think you would test it properly.  We are not 
talking about completely different synths here, we are talking 
essentially about the same board.

Not using mixers isn't nonsense just because you don't work that 
way.  The way a user is supposed to chain the audio (per THE MANUAL) 
doesn't use a mixer, again this should have been tested.

Dude, seriously, have some respect for others.  It's funny that you 
seem to think you know what happened with Bryce since you bring him 
up.  Why don't you tell us the whole story and quote all the threads 
and emails since you seem to know it all?

What is truely "TIRED" is people accepting these sorts of flaws and 
even defending them to the death.


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" 
<sharmalaw1@...> wrote:
>
> Continually complaining that the Evolver Desktop is louder than the 
PER. Pity.
> 
> Complaining about an extra feature that is essentially a freebee. I 
cannot imagine one person less would buy their first Evolver Desktop 
because it could not be chained to any other. But the fact is, is 
that when it was made, the PER and the PEK and the MEK were not even 
conceived of it chains perfectly to other desktops as planned and 
advertised. Another manufacturer could have easily said that the 
desktop versions chain with each other and not with PEKS and PERS 
which are in a *different class*. But in this case, it was left in. 
The thing about no mixers is nonsense. I don't use mixers: Everything 
goes into my Motus, but the software has mixers inside which can fix 
any of this. I have 10 synths and I set the internal levels to 
balance *them* out. Even synths by the same brand, etc. Please shoot 
me if I every begin to bitterly complain that one of my Rolands has 
more gain than the other--even though they speak (and were advertised 
to) via midi . . . omigod!
> 
> And unless that person was private messaged by Dave Bryce, they 
were *all but* told to shut up, because . . . Dave Bryce did *not* 
tell him to shut up.
> 
> People just get tired of reading the same thing over and over 
again. Every synth I know, wait, every *thing* I know has 
limitations. Things do not have issues. People have issues with 
things, or not. So yes, IF one has three PERS and IF one wishes to 
work precisely as this person believes is correct--for him--, then it 
may not be so comfortable, for him. It's a personal issue with a 
design choice--or a fact of components--that affects . . him  . . . 
and, of course, the myriads like him. Show of hands please: Who else 
does this affect so much they haven't stopped about it for a year or 
so rather than getting on with life?
> 
> If the man who made the synth says--after years of requests-- that 
he can't or won't fix it--for his--I am certain, excellent reasons--
he is after all, a father of this all--then THAT IS IT. Why anyone 
wants to get on every forum and search high and low for similar 
disgrunts is seems somewhat sad at this point. Especially when 
apparently no one Evolver owner really gives a crap about something 
so miniscule and easily remediable.
> 
> Dale has found a solution and seems completely at peace with it. 
Sounds normal (pun!) to me. While one loves a synth so much to buy so 
many, then spends countless time bad mouthing it is really . . . not 
interesting.
> 
> I am not telling anyone to shut up, but this thread, ported over 
from at least two other forums, is truly TIRED.
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Dale 
>   To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:00 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product
> 
> 
> 
>   If the plugs are such a pain and you need those outs in the 
manner you mention, why not mod it?
>   I bet he just has it switched with the jacks. 
> 
>   I would not notice the levels, I run all the synths into a rolls 
RM203 (a pair of them) so I do balance it all out before it gets to 
the main
>   mixer... each synth I have has some quirk that has to worked 
with, levels out being one of them ...
> 
>   dale
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: dodgingrain 
> 
>     I'd have to side on the negative to neutral side.  Another bug 
that 
>     exists, actually what I would consider a design flaw is that 
the 
>     output on the desktop evolver is 6db higher than the output on 
the 
>     PER and probably the PEK as well.  I made this know well over a 
year 
>     ago and got a luke warm response at best.  I was told to use a 
mixer 
>     to balance the levels, which frankly, I feel is rediculous 
given the 
>     cost of these products and the fact that a lot of musicians no 
longer 
>     use mixers at all these days.  One of the selling points of the 
PER 
>     was that you could get 5 voices by polychaining with a 
desktop.... 
>     well yah, sort of.  I wouldn't have bought an evolver at all if 
I had 
>     know about that issue.
> 
>     I wish someone would do a test on the MEK and let us know if 
that 
>     issue exists there as well.  So when people ask if you can 
chain the 
>     PEK with an evolver desktop the answer shouldn't be a 
resounding 
>     yes.  Personally I would think this would be fixable as a 
software 
>     updated to the evolver.  If in poly chain mode the lower the 
output 
>     by 6db.
> 
>     Another issue I have is with the outputs on the PER.  You can't 
keep 
>     cables connected to both the main outputs and the individual 
voice 
>     outputs.  Personally I feel the best way to use a rack synth is 
to 
>     have each output and input connected to a patch bay so you can 
route 
>     whatever you want without having to dig around in the back of a 
>     rack.  Now imagine how much of a pain this is when you have 3 
PERs 
>     like I do, it's not just swaping a few cables it's swaping a 
LOT of 
>     cables.
> 
>     Also when I would point out some of these issues in response to 
>     questions by users or potential buyers on HC I was all but 
outright 
>     told to shut up about it by the HC Admin at the time who works 
for 
>     DSI.
>