Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

> - What bugs currently exist?

Several - do not let anyone tell you there are none. You need to know
about these. It may have influenced my decision to buy one had I known
beforehand how hobbled the interface is at certain ends. Here's a
quote of mine from another message I posted on this board some time ago:

"It appears (at least to me) that the trigger select -> keyboard only
feature has no purpose under program mode, except to steal a voice and
render it useless. However, I
have found that it works perfectly (or at least, as you expect it to)
under Combo mode.
Program your sequence and save it as a patch, then go to combo mode
and make part 1 polyphonic 4-voice, and use the program you'd saved.
Make sure to select the 'trigger
select -> keyboard only' in the combo menu, and there you go. Still
trying to
figure lots of stuff out here, but that one should provide a temporary
solution until DS makes it an update.

I have talked with Dave about this issue and he seemed uninterested to
fix it, offering instead to create another trigger select option to
fix another problem. That being the option that should step the
sequencer values only steps on voice one, or every fourth time on the
PEK. The workaround I describe above works great, but it seems strange
to program this way. There are a lot of things that don't work how you
want in Program Mode on the PEK but work nicely once you incorporate
that program into a Combo in Combo Mode. I hate using Combo Mode,
however, because editing values is incredibly frustrating and poorly
implemented, and no changes to the patches can be saved. We have
discussed this here to an extent, and I will not continue to harp on
this as it is a minor quibble in a glorious machine, but I will ask if
anyone has heard anything *ever* of an update? While incredibly useful
at times, other times this OS seems far from complete."

This is probably my major concern, but if you search this forum,
you'll find more.

> - Do the knobs send out MIDI? If so, what kind?

Sysex. Can you use that where you want and do you have software that
can remap those commands to actual controllers? Otherwise, all you
have are notes, bend, mod wheel, sustain, pressure (mono-aftertouch),
foot pedal...etc. It does respond to its own MIDI and sysex, so you
can record it all and send it back.

> - Is it worth it?

The sound of this synth is the selling point. It sounds great (as long
as you stay under the digital saturation point). The modulations are
awesome. But the OS has serious flaws and it's frustrating to spend
half your time finding workarounds for things that should just work
already. No notion or mention of any updates - in fact, this is
version 1 - never been updated and no sign of any future updates. Dave
is responsive, but often vague about actually getting around to fixing
any of these. So, sound=10!, support=5.

> - Should I keep my desktop Evolver for use as a 5th voice? Has anyone
> actually done this? How does it work?

I've heard that it can, but have no experience with that.

> Given that I have about $2400 to spend on a master keyboard/synth,
> anyone in the group have any other suggestions? I want a decent
> keyboard, but I am not a very good player, so I don't need or want full
> weighted action.

Everything these days seems to be feature rich, until you get it, and
realize that not all the features are implemented, and some never will
be. That said, I'd probably get an old Jupiter or Prophet if I had to
do this again. But there is something great about the PEK that those
can't touch, so I'm keeping it. YMMV.

-Mark

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> I own a PEK..it works 99.9 percent of the time...cept for 2 encoders by
> the display...

Those are the only encoders that aren't buffered so the values are a bit
jumpy...the only time it becomes a problem is while naming a patch. Dave
said its an easy fix and he will implement it in the next OS.

I've had the best support I've ever had from any company _ever_ from
Dave smith...and I've owned quite a lot of synths. :)

Obviously YMMV.

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Dave Smith provides little to no support now for the PEK. I personally would not buy his product from here in out.

I own a PEK..it works 99.9 percent of the time...cept for 2 encoders by the display...

I'll going to sell my PEK once I get back to Md.

Bill in Hawaii
haventwoncrap gmail.com> wrote:

> - What bugs currently exist?

Several - do not let anyone tell you there are none. You need to know
about these. It may have influenced my decision to buy one had I known
beforehand how hobbled the interface is at certain ends. Here's a
quote of mine from another message I posted on this board some time ago:

"It appears (at least to me) that the trigger select -> keyboard only
feature has no purpose under program mode, except to steal a voice and
render it useless. However, I
have found that it works perfectly (or at least, as you expect it to)
under Combo mode.
Program your sequence and save it as a patch, then go to combo mode
and make part 1 polyphonic 4-voice, and use the program you'd saved.
Make sure to select the 'trigger
select -> keyboard only' in the combo menu, and there you go. Still
trying to
figure lots of stuff out here, but that one should provide a temporary
solution until DS makes it an update.

I have talked with Dave about this issue and he seemed uninterested to
fix it, offering instead to create another trigger select option to
fix another problem. That being the option that should step the
sequencer values only steps on voice one, or every fourth time on the
PEK. The workaround I describe above works great, but it seems strange
to program this way. There are a lot of things that don't work how you
want in Program Mode on the PEK but work nicely once you incorporate
that program into a Combo in Combo Mode. I hate using Combo Mode,
however, because editing values is incredibly frustrating and poorly
implemented, and no changes to the patches can be saved. We have
discussed this here to an extent, and I will not continue to harp on
this as it is a minor quibble in a glorious machine, but I will ask if
anyone has heard anything *ever* of an update? While incredibly useful
at times, other times this OS seems far from complete."

This is probably my major concern, but if you search this forum,
you'll find more.

> - Do the knobs send out MIDI? If so, what kind?

Sysex. Can you use that where you want and do you have software that
can remap those commands to actual controllers? Otherwise, all you
have are notes, bend, mod wheel, sustain, pressure (mono-aftertouch),
foot pedal...etc. It does respond to its own MIDI and sysex, so you
can record it all and send it back.

> - Is it worth it?

The sound of this synth is the selling point. It sounds great (as long
as you stay under the digital saturation point). The modulations are
awesome. But the OS has serious flaws and it's frustrating to spend
half your time finding workarounds for things that should just work
already. No notion or mention of any updates - in fact, this is
version 1 - never been updated and no sign of any future updates. Dave
is responsive, but often vague about actually getting around to fixing
any of these. So, sound=10!, support=5.

> - Should I keep my desktop Evolver for use as a 5th voice? Has anyone
> actually done this? How does it work?

I've heard that it can, but have no experience with that.

> Given that I have about $2400 to spend on a master keyboard/synth,
> anyone in the group have any other suggestions? I want a decent
> keyboard, but I am not a very good player, so I don't need or want full
> weighted action.

Everything these days seems to be feature rich, until you get it, and
realize that not all the features are implemented, and some never will
be. That said, I'd probably get an old Jupiter or Prophet if I had to
do this again. But there is something great about the PEK that those
can't touch, so I'm keeping it. YMMV.

-Mark

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I\ufffdm very happy with my PEK and the support from Dave Smith

Instruments. I sent meybe three questions over the years and always got an answer back in a day. They have always been polite even when the answer where clearly written in the manual. J

One time I asked a guestion how to control a function via the sequencer and not trigger the notes. I got a reply with a expliantion how to do it form Mr Smith hemself! Dave has helpt me with some problem I had with me Prophet~5\ufffd That\ufffds support!

Kind regards

Magnus

William Soraparu yahoo.com> skrev:

Dave Smith provides little to no support now for the PEK. I personally would not buy his product from here in out.

I own a PEK..it works 99.9 percent of the time...cept for 2 encoders by the display...

I'll going to sell my PEK once I get back to Md.

Bill in Hawaii
haventwoncrap gmail.com> wrote:

> - What bugs currently exist?

Several - do not let anyone tell you there are none. You need to know
about these. It may have influenced my decision to buy one had I known
beforehand how hobbled the interface is at certain ends. Here's a
quote of mine from another message I posted on this board some time ago:

"It appears (at least to me) that the trigger select -> keyboard only
feature has no purpose under program mode, except to steal a voice and
render it useless. However, I
have found that it works perfectly (or at least, as you expect it to)
under Combo mode.
Program your sequence and save it as a patch, then go to combo mode
and make part 1 polyphonic 4-voice, and use the program you'd saved.
Make sure to select the 'trigger
select -> keyboard only' in the combo menu, and there you go. Still
trying to
figure lots of stuff out here, but that one should provide a temporary
solution until DS makes it an update.

I have talked with Dave about this issue and he seemed uninterested to
fix it, offering instead to create another trigger select option to
fix another problem. That being the option that should step the
sequencer values only steps on voice one, or every fourth time on the
PEK. The workaround I describe above works great, but it seems strange
to program this way. There are a lot of things that don't work how you
want in Program Mode on the PEK but work nicely once you incorporate
that program into a Combo in Combo Mode. I hate using Combo Mode,
however, because editing values is incredibly frustrating and poorly
implemented, and no changes to the patches can be saved. We have
discussed this here to an extent, and I will not continue to harp on
this as it is a minor quibble in a glorious machine, but I will ask if
anyone has heard anything *ever* of an update? While incredibly useful
at times, other times this OS seems far from complete."

This is probably my major concern, but if you search this forum,
you'll find more.

> - Do the knobs send out MIDI? If so, what kind?

Sysex. Can you use that where you want and do you have software that
can remap those commands to actual controllers? Otherwise, all you
have are notes, bend, mod wheel, sustain, pressure (mono-aftertouch),
foot pedal...etc. It does respond to its own MIDI and sysex, so you
can record it all and send it back.

> - Is it worth it?

The sound of this synth is the selling point. It sounds great (as long
as you stay under the digital saturation point). The modulations are
awesome. But the OS has serious flaws and it's frustrating to spend
half your time finding workarounds for things that should just work
already. No notion or mention of any updates - in fact, this is
version 1 - never been updated and no sign of any future updates. Dave
is responsive, but often vague about actually getting around to fixing
any of these. So, sound=10!, support=5.

> - Should I keep my desktop Evolver for use as a 5th voice? Has anyone
> actually done this? How does it work?

I've heard that it can, but have no experience with that.

> Given that I have about $2400 to spend on a master keyboard/synth,
> anyone in the group have any other suggestions? I want a decent
> keyboard, but I am not a very good player, so I don't need or want full
> weighted action.

Everything these days seems to be feature rich, until you get it, and
realize that not all the features are implemented, and some never will
be. That said, I'd probably get an old Jupiter or Prophet if I had to
do this again. But there is something great about the PEK that those
can't touch, so I'm keeping it. YMMV.

-Mark

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I\ufffdm very happy with my PEK and the support from Dave Smith

Instruments. I sent meybe three questions over the years and always got an answer back in a day. They have always been polite even when the answer where clearly written in the manual. J

One time I asked a guestion how to control a function via the sequencer and not trigger the notes. I got a reply with a expliantion how to do it form Mr Smith hemself! Dave has helpt me with some problem I had with me Prophet~5\ufffd That\ufffds support!

Kind regards

Magnus

William Soraparu yahoo.com> skrev:

Dave Smith provides little to no support now for the PEK. I personally would not buy his product from here in out.

I own a PEK..it works 99.9 percent of the time...cept for 2 encoders by the display...

I'll going to sell my PEK once I get back to Md.

Bill in Hawaii
haventwoncrap gmail.com> wrote:

> - What bugs currently exist?

Several - do not let anyone tell you there are none. You need to know
about these. It may have influenced my decision to buy one had I known
beforehand how hobbled the interface is at certain ends. Here's a
quote of mine from another message I posted on this board some time ago:

"It appears (at least to me) that the trigger select -> keyboard only
feature has no purpose under program mode, except to steal a voice and
render it useless. However, I
have found that it works perfectly (or at least, as you expect it to)
under Combo mode.
Program your sequence and save it as a patch, then go to combo mode
and make part 1 polyphonic 4-voice, and use the program you'd saved.
Make sure to select the 'trigger
select -> keyboard only' in the combo menu, and there you go. Still
trying to
figure lots of stuff out here, but that one should provide a temporary
solution until DS makes it an update.

I have talked with Dave about this issue and he seemed uninterested to
fix it, offering instead to create another trigger select option to
fix another problem. That being the option that should step the
sequencer values only steps on voice one, or every fourth time on the
PEK. The workaround I describe above works great, but it seems strange
to program this way. There are a lot of things that don't work how you
want in Program Mode on the PEK but work nicely once you incorporate
that program into a Combo in Combo Mode. I hate using Combo Mode,
however, because editing values is incredibly frustrating and poorly
implemented, and no changes to the patches can be saved. We have
discussed this here to an extent, and I will not continue to harp on
this as it is a minor quibble in a glorious machine, but I will ask if
anyone has heard anything *ever* of an update? While incredibly useful
at times, other times this OS seems far from complete."

This is probably my major concern, but if you search this forum,
you'll find more.

> - Do the knobs send out MIDI? If so, what kind?

Sysex. Can you use that where you want and do you have software that
can remap those commands to actual controllers? Otherwise, all you
have are notes, bend, mod wheel, sustain, pressure (mono-aftertouch),
foot pedal...etc. It does respond to its own MIDI and sysex, so you
can record it all and send it back.

> - Is it worth it?

The sound of this synth is the selling point. It sounds great (as long
as you stay under the digital saturation point). The modulations are
awesome. But the OS has serious flaws and it's frustrating to spend
half your time finding workarounds for things that should just work
already. No notion or mention of any updates - in fact, this is
version 1 - never been updated and no sign of any future updates. Dave
is responsive, but often vague about actually getting around to fixing
any of these. So, sound=10!, support=5.

> - Should I keep my desktop Evolver for use as a 5th voice? Has anyone
> actually done this? How does it work?

I've heard that it can, but have no experience with that.

> Given that I have about $2400 to spend on a master keyboard/synth,
> anyone in the group have any other suggestions? I want a decent
> keyboard, but I am not a very good player, so I don't need or want full
> weighted action.

Everything these days seems to be feature rich, until you get it, and
realize that not all the features are implemented, and some never will
be. That said, I'd probably get an old Jupiter or Prophet if I had to
do this again. But there is something great about the PEK that those
can't touch, so I'm keeping it. YMMV.

-Mark

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> 
> Thus, assuming people aren't lying, one can only conclude "YMMV".
> 
> -Miles

> YMMV? Sorry? Care to elaborate on the James....
>  
> In my time....best support I have ever received was from Access and 
> Waldorf....Moog Too!
>  
> I'm not impressed with Dave Smith any longer. I am an 
> artist...technician 2nd....and I desire to work with dependable 
> palettes of tonal quality....not questionable equipment...unless of 
> course it is a VCS3 with beautiful burps and blemishes!!..but the PEK 
> is not a VCS3
>  
> Peace,
>  
> Bill
> Hawaii
>
> */
> /*
> ___

I'm not sure you want to hold Waldorf up as an example of good customer
support ;)

+1 another happy and satisfied Dave Smith customer

Damian

William Soraparu wrote:

> YMMV? Sorry? Care to elaborate on the James....
>
> In my time....best support I have ever received was from Access and
> Waldorf....Moog Too!
>
> I'm not impressed with Dave Smith any longer. I am an
> artist...technician 2nd....and I desire to work with dependable
> palettes of tonal quality....not questionable equipment...unless of
> course it is a VCS3 with beautiful burps and blemishes!!..but the PEK
> is not a VCS3
>
> Peace,
>
> Bill
> Hawaii
>
> */
> /*
> ___

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>YMMV? Sorry? Care to elaborate on the James....
>

Thanks for the sourgrapes. ;)

The "YMMV" was because *I* haven't run into anything crippling or annoying after quite a long period of use and programming. Your dismissal of the validity of my perspective is clearly antagonistic - I'm sorry your experience with the PEK has engendered these emotions.

Good DSI Support = software & firmware fixes in a timely fashion, including free OS chips and the tools to replace them. The only niggle I had with the PEK was the 2 jittery encoders next to the LCD and then, only when naming patches. Dave said it was an easy fix, just buffering the output of those two encoders and that it would be implemented in the next OS. Based on the concrete support I've had so far, I see no reason to disbelieve him.

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>No Sour Grapes here...just dissapointed in my investment...just airing my opinions. Whats understood does not need to be discussed. Other than that, your Carbon site is a good one. I refer to it alot! Keep up the good work James! Bill from hawaii

Thanks Bill,

I'm sorry for my "kneejerk" response, its hot in the office today ;)

BTW - I'll be on the Big Island in May :D

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----- Original Message -----

From: Magnus Gladén

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 4:13 AM

Subject: SV: [Evolver] PEK Product

I’m very happy with my PEK and the support from Dave Smith

Instruments. I sent meybe three questions over the years and always got an answer back in a day. They have always been polite even when the answer where clearly written in the manual. J

One time I asked a guestion how to control a function via the sequencer and not trigger the notes. I got a reply with a expliantion how to do it form Mr Smith hemself! Dave has helpt me with some problem I had with me Prophet~5… That’s support!

Kind regards

Magnus

William Soraparu skrev:

Dave Smith provides little to no support now for the PEK. I personally would not buy his product from here in out.

I own a PEK..it works 99.9 percent of the time...cept for 2 encoders by the display...

I'll going to sell my PEK once I get back to Md.

Bill in Hawaii
haventwoncrap gmail.com> wrote:

From: William Soraparu

Yes, I understand...and its one thing on how to use the various functions and capabilities of the PEK...but its another when certain hardware features just do not live up to what they were supposed to do.

And I never said that Dave did not answer questions....and politely at that. But one thing remains....the PEK was at least 2,000.00 for me....and when you spend that much....like with the Moog Voyagers and the Access Virus's...upgrades come....firmware fixes...etc....I've seen nothing from Dave on this. I have a Moog Voyager Electric Blue...and a Virus T..and both work as they should...and even more. I am sorry...I do not see the worth in the PEK.

Bill from Hawaii

From: dodgingrain

I'd have to side on the negative to neutral side. Another bug that
exists, actually what I would consider a design flaw is that the
output on the desktop evolver is 6db higher than the output on the
PER and probably the PEK as well. I made this know well over a year
ago and got a luke warm response at best. I was told to use a mixer
to balance the levels, which frankly, I feel is rediculous given the
cost of these products and the fact that a lot of musicians no longer
use mixers at all these days. One of the selling points of the PER
was that you could get 5 voices by polychaining with a desktop....
well yah, sort of. I wouldn't have bought an evolver at all if I had
know about that issue.

I wish someone would do a test on the MEK and let us know if that
issue exists there as well. So when people ask if you can chain the
PEK with an evolver desktop the answer shouldn't be a resounding
yes. Personally I would think this would be fixable as a software
updated to the evolver. If in poly chain mode the lower the output
by 6db.

Another issue I have is with the outputs on the PER. You can't keep
cables connected to both the main outputs and the individual voice
outputs. Personally I feel the best way to use a rack synth is to
have each output and input connected to a patch bay so you can route
whatever you want without having to dig around in the back of a
rack. Now imagine how much of a pain this is when you have 3 PERs
like I do, it's not just swaping a few cables it's swaping a LOT of
cables.

Also when I would point out some of these issues in response to
questions by users or potential buyers on HC I was all but outright
told to shut up about it by the HC Admin at the time who works for
DSI.

----- Original Message -----

From: Damian Rickert

I'm not sure you want to hold Waldorf up as an example of good customer
support ;)

+1 another happy and satisfied Dave Smith customer

Damian

William Soraparu wrote:

> YMMV? Sorry? Care to elaborate on the James....
>
> In my time....best support I have ever received was from Access and
> Waldorf....Moog Too!
>
> I'm not impressed with Dave Smith any longer. I am an
> artist...technician 2nd....and I desire to work with dependable
> palettes of tonal quality....not questionable equipment...unless of
> course it is a VCS3 with beautiful burps and blemishes!!..but the PEK
> is not a VCS3
>
> Peace,
>
> Bill
> Hawaii

----- Original Message -----

From: Dale

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:00 PM

Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product

If the plugs are such a pain and you need those outs in the manner you mention, why not mod it?

I bet he just has it switched with the jacks.

I would not notice the levels, I run all the synths into a rolls RM203 (a pair of them) so I do balance it all out before it gets to the main

mixer... each synth I have has some quirk that has to worked with, levels out being one of them ...

dale

----- Original Message -----

From: dodgingrain

I'd have to side on the negative to neutral side. Another bug that
exists, actually what I would consider a design flaw is that the
output on the desktop evolver is 6db higher than the output on the
PER and probably the PEK as well. I made this know well over a year
ago and got a luke warm response at best. I was told to use a mixer
to balance the levels, which frankly, I feel is rediculous given the
cost of these products and the fact that a lot of musicians no longer
use mixers at all these days. One of the selling points of the PER
was that you could get 5 voices by polychaining with a desktop....
well yah, sort of. ; I wouldn't have bought an evolver at all if I had
know about that issue.

I wish someone would do a test on the MEK and let us know if that
issue exists there as well. So when people ask if you can chain the
PEK with an evolver desktop the answer shouldn't be a resounding
yes. Personally I would think this would be fixable as a software
updated to the evolver. If in poly chain mode the lower the output
by 6db.

Another issue I have is with the outputs on the PER. You can't keep
cables connected to both the main outputs and the individual voice
outputs. Personally I feel the best way to use a rack synth is to
have each output and input connected to a patch bay so you can route
whatever you want without having to dig around in the back of a
rack. Now imagine how much of a pain this is when you have 3 PERs
like I do, it's not just swaping a few cables it's swaping a LOT of
cables.

Also when I would point out some of these issues in response to
questions by users or potential buyers on HC I was all but outright
told to shut up about it by the HC Admin at the time who works for
DSI.

Bob Henke wrote:
> Could the people who are happy with support please elaborate on what
> kind of problems they were having in the first place?
>
> support quality should be gauged by the problems solved, not the
> pleasant manner with which dave types/talks
>
> I love when guys big-up a companies support, when the biggest problem
> they had was not knowing how to save a patch or something.
>

Dave Smith gives amazing support. When I had my MED for about 8 months,
I was getting distortion very easily and found if I unplugged and
replugged the power back in, this would clear. I mentioned it to Dave
and in the same day told me it sounded like I had a faulty DSP and that
he would have it replaced immediately. The turn around from shipping,
to fixing, to returning was less than 2 weeks.

Also, when I had been learning how to program sysex with my midi
controller, I had some questions about the sysex implementation of the
evolver I didn't understand. Again, he replied the very same day and
was kind enough to take some time and explained to me how the sysex
should be coded in my controller, etc.

Awesome support.

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I was wondering ...

If Dave does not support this, then why is he at every NAMM with the PEKs, racks and most of the time in the booth listening to "god awful buttchecks synths" next to him all day? Surely he does not hate himself to do that? Then why the heck would he even bother to email me a few times for my stupid questions?

I don't know, I would not say he does not support and the synth is so bad it's not worth it.... The one year with the chicks from Body Glove a few down, well I guess that does not count. I think I would suffer to that noise all day ... ;-)

Also, never has Dave expressed to me or I seen, anything but professionalism exhibited ... he is one of the rare ones ...

If your encoders are bad, open the it up, get the part number and get some ... It all looks pretty standard stuff in there...

post the part number here and I will post back to you the link to get ... if you need it repaired, take to a local shop, unless your so far away that isn't possible... then maybe a PEK isn't what you need ... just me, if it's broke, you can bet I be under the hood when it out of warranty looking to repair ... I don't really expect that of everyone but at least a attempt to fix ...

Last and most important perhaps, what else can you buy today that sounds like a PEK? I would be interested to know.

dale

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----- Original Message -----

From: Magnus Glad\ufffdn

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 4:13 AM

Subject: SV: [Evolver] PEK Product

I\ufffdm very happy with my PEK and the support from Dave Smith

Instruments. I sent meybe three questions over the years and always got an answer back in a day. They have always been polite even when the answer where clearly written in the manual. J

One time I asked a guestion how to control a function via the sequencer and not trigger the notes. I got a reply with a expliantion how to do it form Mr Smith hemself! Dave has helpt me with some problem I had with me Prophet~5\ufffd That\ufffds support!

Kind regards

Magnus

William Soraparu yahoo.com> skrev:

Dave Smith provides little to no support now for the PEK. I personally would not buy his product from here in out.

I own a PEK..it works 99.9 percent of the time...cept for 2 encoders by the display...

I'll going to sell my PEK once I get back to Md.

Bill in Hawaii
haventwoncrap gmail.com> wrote:

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Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.

Continually complaining that the Evolver Desktop is louder than the PER. Pity.

Complaining about an extra feature that is essentially a freebee. I cannot imagine one person less would buy their first Evolver Desktop because it could not be chained to any other. But the fact is, is that when it was made, the PER and the PEK and the MEK were not even conceived of it chains perfectly to other desktops as planned and advertised. Another manufacturer could have easily said that the desktop versions chain with each other and not with PEKS and PERS which are in a *different class*. But in this case, it was left in. The thing about no mixers is nonsense. I don't use mixers: Everything goes into my Motus, but the software has mixers inside which can fix any of this. I have 10 synths and I set the internal levels to balance *them* out. Even synths by the same brand, etc. Please shoot me if I every begin to bitterly complain that one of my Rolands has more gain than the other--even though they speak (and were advertised to) via midi . . . omigod!

And unless that person was private messaged by Dave Bryce, they were *all but* told to shut up, because . . . Dave Bryce did *not* tell him to shut up.

People just get tired of reading the same thing over and over again. Every synth I know, wait, every *thing* I know has limitations. Things do not have issues. People have issues with things, or not. So yes, IF one has three PERS and IF one wishes to work precisely as this person believes is correct--for him--, then it may not be so comfortable, for him. It\ufffds a personal issue with a design choice--or a fact of components--that affects . him . . and, of course, the myriads like him. Show of hands please: Who else does this affect so much they haven't stopped about it for a year or so rather than getting on with life?

If the man who made the synth says--after years of requests-- that he can't or won't fix it--for his--I am certain, excellent reasons--he is after all, a father of this all--then THAT IS IT. Why anyone wants to get on every forum and search high and low for similar disgrunts is seems somewhat sad at this point. Especially when apparently no one Evolver owner really gives a crap about something so miniscule and easily remediable.

Dale has found a solution and seems completely at peace with it. Sounds normal (pun!) to me. While one loves a synth so much to buy so many, then spends countless time bad mouthing it is really . . . not interesting.

I am not telling anyone to shut up, but this thread, ported over from at least two other forums, is truly TIRED.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dale

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:00 PM

Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product

If the plugs are such a pain and you need those outs in the manner you mention, why not mod it?

I bet he just has it switched with the jacks.

I would not notice the levels, I run all the synths into a rolls RM203 (a pair of them) so I do balance it all out before it gets to the main

mixer... each synth I have has some quirk that has to worked with, levels out being one of them ...

dale

----- Original Message -----

From: dodgingrain

I'd have to side on the negative to neutral side. Another bug that
exists, actually what I would consider a design flaw is that the
output on the desktop evolver is 6db higher than the output on the
PER and probably the PEK as well. I made this know well over a year
ago and got a luke warm response at best. I was told to use a mixer
to balance the levels, which frankly, I feel is rediculous given the
cost of these products and the fact that a lot of musicians no longer
use mixers at all these days. One of the selling points of the PER
was that you could get 5 voices by polychaining with a desktop....
well yah, sort of. I wouldn't have bought an evolver at all if I had
know about that issue.

I wish someone would do a test on the MEK and let us know if that
issue exists there as well. So when people ask if you can chain the
PEK with an evolver desktop the answer shouldn't be a resounding
yes. Personally I would think this would be fixable as a software
updated to the evolver. If in poly chain mode the lower the output
by 6db.

Another issue I have is with the outputs on the PER. You can't keep
cables connected to both the main outputs and the individual voice
outputs. Personally I feel the best way to use a rack synth is to
have each output and input connected to a patch bay so you can route
whatever you want without having to dig around in the back of a
rack. Now imagine how much of a pain this is when you have 3 PERs
like I do, it's not just swaping a few cables it's swaping a LOT of
cables.

Also when I would point out some of these issues in response to
questions by users or potential buyers on HC I was all but outright
told to shut up about it by the HC Admin at the time who works for
DSI.

No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go
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----- Original Message -----

From: William Soraparu

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:11 PM

Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product

Its okay for a system to have limitations....but when encoders act flaky after a few months...and lots of folks have mentioned they have than problem...it seems to me Dave Smith used cheap components. Whats understood does not need to be discussed.

Ravi Ivan Sharma <sharmalaw1@hotmail.com> wrote:

Continually complaining that the Evolver Desktop is louder than the PER. Pity.

Complaining about an extra feature that is essentially a freebee. I cannot imagine one person less would buy their first Evolver Desktop because it could not be chained to any other. But the fact is, is that when it was made, the PER and the PEK and the MEK were not even conceived of it chains perfectly to other desktops as planned and advertised. Another manufacturer could have easily said that the desktop versions chain with each other and not with PEKS and PERS which are in a *different class*. But in this case, it was left in. The thing about no mixers is nonsense. I don't use mixers: Everything goes into my Motus, but the software has mixers inside which can fix any of this. I have 10 synths and I set the internal levels to balance *them* out. Even synths by the same brand, etc. Please shoot me if I every begin to bitterly complain that one of my Rolands has more gain than the other--even though they speak (and were advertised to) via midi . . . omigod!

And unless that person was private messaged by Dave Bryce, they were *all but* told to shut up, because . . . Dave Bryce did *not* tell him to shut up.

People just get tired of reading the same thing over and over again. Every synth I know, wait, every *thing* I know has limitations. Things do not have issues. People have issues with things, or not. So yes, IF one has three PERS and IF one wishes to work precisely as this person believes is correct--for him--, then it may not be so comfortable, for him. It’s a personal issue with a design choice--or a fact of components--that affects . him . . and, of course, the myriads like him. Show of hands please: Who else does this affect so much they haven't stopped about it for a year or so rather than getting on with life?

If the man who made the synth says--after years of requests-- that he can't or won't fix it--for his--I am certain, excellent reasons--he is after all, a father of this all--then THAT IS IT. Why anyone wants to get on every forum and search high and low for similar disgrunts is seems somewhat sad at this point. Especially when apparently no one Evolver owner really gives a crap about something so miniscule and easily remediable.

Dale has found a solution and seems completely at peace with it. Sounds normal (pun!) to me. While one loves a synth so much to buy so many, then spends countless time bad mouthing it is really . . . not interesting.

I am not telling anyone to shut up, but this thread, ported over from at least two other forums, is truly TIRED.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dale

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:00 PM

Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product

If the plugs are such a pain and you need those outs in the manner you mention, why not mod it?

I bet he just has it switched with the jacks.

I would not notice the levels, I run all the synths into a rolls RM203 (a pair of them) so I do balance it all out before it gets to the main

mixer... each synth I have has some quirk that has to worked with, levels out being one of them ...

dale

----- Original Message -----

From: dodgingrain

I'd have to side on the negative to neutral side. Another bug that
exists, actually what I would consider a design flaw is that the
output on the desktop evolver is 6db higher than the output on the
PER and probably the PEK as well. I made this know well over a year
ago and got a luke warm response at best. I was told to use a mixer
to balance the levels, which frankly, I feel is rediculous given the
cost of these products and the fact that a lot of musicians no longer
use mixers at all these days. One of the selling points of the PER
was that you could get 5 voices by polychaining with a desktop....
well yah, sort of. I wouldn't have bought an evolver at all if I had
know about that issue.

I wish someone would do a test on the MEK and let us know if that
issue exists there as well. So when people ask if you can chain the
PEK with an evolver desktop the answer shouldn't be a resounding
yes. Personally I would think this would be fixable as a software
updated to the evolver. If in poly chain mode the lower the output
by 6db.

Another issue I have is with the outputs on the PER. You can't keep
cables connected to both the main outputs and the individual voice
outputs. Personally I feel the best way to use a rack synth is to
have each output and input connected to a patch bay so you can route
whatever you want without having to dig around in the back of a
rack. Now imagine how much of a pain this is when you have 3 PERs
like I do, it's not just swaping a few cables it's swaping a LOT of
cables.

Also when I would point out some of these issues in response to
questions by users or potential buyers on HC I was all but outright
told to shut up about it by the HC Admin at the time who works for
DSI.

No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go
with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.

----- Original Message -----

From: Ravi Ivan Sharma

Every synth that I have had that has encoders, has had ones that eventuall flake out or start skipping, often earlier than wished. These include: uQ keyboard, Ensonic ASR-X, Elektron Monomachine, Machinedrum, Notron -- so far not with my 2 evolver desktops, PEK or MEK, but one day I am sure it will happen.

Why? Because encoders are inherently prone to dust and use simply because of the way they work. From a mission critical point of view they all suck. But they do have very nice benefits when used with synths, don't they; but if such were so great, then it follows that the reason less than half the synths out ever use them is that they have a higher failure rate than a regular potentiometer.

Rotary encoders are not cheap. Your basis to make the assertion that DS uses cheap parts based on your single experience on a synth with 70 encoders -- that you refuse to get fixed or send in--even though apparently your synth is still under warranty-- is simply not logical and based on all your other continuing grinding, seems more ill will.

But yes, I completely agree that it sucks big time that 2 encoders are flaky. I am sure Dave will fix them. But it still sucks to have to send things in. I had to send my machinedrum to sweden and that really sucked!

But put it into perspective.

Every synth that I have had that has encoders, has had ones that eventuall flake out or start skipping, often earlier than wished. These include: uQ keyboard, Ensonic ASR-X, Elektron Monomachine, Machinedrum, Notron -- so far not with my 2 evolver desktops, PEK or MEK, but one day I am sure it will happen.

Why? Because encoders are inherently prone to dust and use simply because of the way they work. From a mission critical point of view they all suck. But they do have very nice benefits when used with synths, don't they; but if such were so great, then it follows that the reason less than half the synths out ever use them is that they have a higher failure rate than a regular potentiometer.

Rotary encoders are not cheap. Your basis to make the assertion that DS uses cheap parts based on your single experience on a synth with 70 encoders -- that you refuse to get fixed or send in--even though apparently your synth is still under warranty-- is simply not logical and based on all your other continuing grinding, seems more ill will.

But yes, I completely agree that it sucks big time that 2 encoders are flaky. I am sure Dave will fix them. But it still sucks to have to send things in. I had to send my machinedrum to sweden and that really sucked!

But put it into perspective.

----- Original Message -----

From: William Soraparu

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:11 PM

Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product

Its okay for a system to have limitations....but when encoders act flaky after a few months...and lots of folks have mentioned they have than problem...it seems to me Dave Smith used cheap components. Whats understood does not need to be discussed.

Ravi Ivan Sharma <sharmalaw1@hotmail.com> wrote:

Continually complaining that the Evolver Desktop is louder than the PER. Pity.

Complaining about an extra feature that is essentially a freebee. I cannot imagine one person less would buy their first Evolver Desktop because it could not be chained to any other. But the fact is, is that when it was made, the PER and the PEK and the MEK were not even conceived of it chains perfectly to other desktops as planned and advertised. Another manufacturer could have easily said that the desktop versions chain with each other and not with PEKS and PERS which are in a *different class*. But in this case, it was left in. The thing about no mixers is nonsense. I don't use mixers: Everything goes into my Motus, but the software has mixers inside which can fix any of this. I have 10 synths and I set the internal levels to balance *them* out. Even synths by the same brand, etc. Please shoot me if I every begin to bitterly complain that one of my Rolands has more gain than the other--even though they speak (and were advertised to) via midi . . . omigod!

And unless that person was private messaged by Dave Bryce, they were *all but* told to shut up, because . . . Dave Bryce did *not* tell him to shut up.

People just get tired of reading the same thing over and over again. Every synth I know, wait, every *thing* I know has limitations. Things do not have issues. People have issues with things, or not. So yes, IF one has three PERS and IF one wishes to work precisely as this person believes is correct--for him--, then it may not be so comfortable, for him. It\ufffds a personal issue with a design choice--or a fact of components--that affects . him . . and, of course, the myriads like him. Show of hands please: Who else does this affect so much they haven't stopped about it for a year or so rather than getting on with life?

If the man who made the synth says--after years of requests-- that he can't or won't fix it--for his--I am certain, excellent reasons--he is after all, a father of this all--then THAT IS IT. Why anyone wants to get on every forum and search high and low for similar disgrunts is seems somewhat sad at this point. Especially when apparently no one Evolver owner really gives a crap about something so miniscule and easily remediable.

Dale has found a solution and seems completely at peace with it. Sounds normal (pun!) to me. While one loves a synth so much to buy so many, then spends countless time bad mouthing it is really . . . not interesting.

I am not telling anyone to shut up, but this thread, ported over from at least two other forums, is truly TIRED.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dale

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:00 PM

Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product

If the plugs are such a pain and you need those outs in the manner you mention, why not mod it?

I bet he just has it switched with the jacks.

I would not notice the levels, I run all the synths into a rolls RM203 (a pair of them) so I do balance it all out before it gets to the main

mixer... each synth I have has some quirk that has to worked with, levels out being one of them ...

dale

----- Original Message -----

From: dodgingrain

I'd have to side on the negative to neutral side. Another bug that
exists, actually what I would consider a design flaw is that the
output on the desktop evolver is 6db higher than the output on the
PER and probably the PEK as well. I made this know well over a year
ago and got a luke warm response at best. I was told to use a mixer
to balance the levels, which frankly, I feel is rediculous given the
cost of these products and the fact that a lot of musicians no longer
use mixers at all these days. One of the selling points of the PER
was that you could get 5 voices by polychaining with a desktop....
well yah, sort of. I wouldn't have bought an evolver at all if I had
know about that issue.

I wish someone would do a test on the MEK and let us know if that
issue exists there as well. So when people ask if you can chain the
PEK with an evolver desktop the answer shouldn't be a resounding
yes. Personally I would think this would be fixable as a software
updated to the evolver. If in poly chain mode the lower the output
by 6db.

Another issue I have is with the outputs on the PER. You can't keep
cables connected to both the main outputs and the individual voice
outputs. Personally I feel the best way to use a rack synth is to
have each output and input connected to a patch bay so you can route
whatever you want without having to dig around in the back of a
rack. Now imagine how much of a pain this is when you have 3 PERs
like I do, it's not just swaping a few cables it's swaping a LOT of
cables.

Also when I would point out some of these issues in response to
questions by users or potential buyers on HC I was all but outright
told to shut up about it by the HC Admin at the time who works for
DSI.

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Add Yamaha A5000, A4000 and A3000 to encoders with problems.

due to dust...

ION's are potentiometers, they fail .. OS update helped a bit to control ..

but it took 3 ION's on my side to get a unit stable to work .. even to this day

I still see it happen, a few twist and it's gone ...

Yamaha s-80 and p-60 etc.. they have encoders, but they seem real stable ...

PEK, it has not been a problem ... if it is there, I have not noticed it ...

I tend to rate synths more like sound, then ease of use ... next "can I add to it?"

sound being my number one item, always looking for that unique sound I can use in my tracks ...

The PEK has a different sound from the rest of synths here. I have yet to capture it the same

on the DAW as I think the DAW isn't able to play it back ...

DAW here is a motu 24 i and a presonus firebox ...

well, PEK is welcomed here ...

now to sort out my editors problems ... then I can really dig into it a bit further ... ;-)

Hey if you tune into http://www.harboroughfm.co.uk/ right now, 2:00 pm PST 7 Apr 2007 or 10 PM UK time,

to the Terry Hawke show, you might catch some of our tracks, Steve Hillman and Steve Ballard, more too ... ;-)

dale

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ravi Ivan Sharma

Every synth that I have had that has encoders, has had ones that eventuall flake out or start skipping, often earlier than wished. These include: uQ keyboard, Ensonic ASR-X, Elektron Monomachine, Machinedrum, Notron -- so far not with my 2 evolver desktops, PEK or MEK, but one day I am sure it will happen.

Why? Because encoders are inherently prone to dust and use simply because of the way they work. From a mission critical point of view they all suck. But they do have very nice benefits when used with synths, don't they; but if such were so great, then it follows that the reason less than half the synths out ever use them is that they have a higher failure rate than a regular potentiometer.

Rotary encoders are not cheap. Your basis to make the assertion that DS uses cheap parts based on your single experience on a synth with 70 encoders -- that you refuse to get fixed or send in--even though apparently your synth is still under warranty-- is simply not logical and based on all your other continuing grinding, seems more ill will.

But yes, I completely agree that it sucks big time that 2 encoders are flaky. I am sure Dave will fix them. But it still sucks to have to send things in. I had to send my machinedrum to sweden and that really sucked!

But put it into perspective.

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----- Original Message ----
From: William Soraparu <donnbill369@...>
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2007 4:35:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product

Thanks Dale, I will tune in!
 
I have only owned one yamaha and that was a DX-7...never had any problems with it...
 
Oh yes....I have 3 Clavia units...never any problems.... ..Love my Clavias..I will be getting the Nord Wave when it gets released!
 
I am staying away from the new Waldorfs though....too expensive for the capabilities they promise...and since I have the Q and Xtk...well I am sitting good!

Dale <dale@inquisitorbetr ayer.com> wrote:
Add Yamaha A5000, A4000 and A3000 to encoders with problems.
due to dust...
ION's are potentiometers, they fail .. OS update helped a bit to control ..
but it took 3 ION's on my side to get a unit stable to work .. even to this day
I still see it happen, a few twist and it's gone ...
 
Yamaha s-80 and p-60 etc.. they have encoders, but they seem real stable ...
 
PEK, it has not been a problem ... if it is there, I have not noticed it ... 
 
I tend to rate synths more like sound, then ease of use ... next "can I add to it?"
 
sound being my number one item, always looking for that unique sound I can use in my tracks ...
 
The PEK has a different sound from the rest of synths here. I have yet to capture it the same
on the DAW as I think the DAW isn't able to play it back ... 
DAW here is a motu 24 i and a presonus firebox ... 
 
well, PEK is welcomed here ... 
now to sort out my editors problems ... then I can really dig into it a bit further ... ;-)
 
Hey if you tune into http://www.harborou ghfm.co.uk/ right now, 2:00 pm PST 7 Apr 2007 or 10 PM UK time, 
to the Terry Hawke show, you might catch some of our tracks, Steve Hillman and Steve Ballard, more too ... ;-)
 
dale
 
 
Inquisitor Betrayer
New CD "Space Elevator" Get it at http://cdbaby. com/cd/inquisito rbetrayer,
http://www.inquisit orbetrayer. com , http://www.myspace. com/inquisitorbe trayer ,
http://www.musicfor te.com/member/ ib_staff
Apple iTunes http://phobos. apple.com/ WebObjects/ MZStore.woa/ wa/viewAlbum? playListId= 200365877
Podcast http://phobos. apple.com/ WebObjects/ MZStore.woa/ wa/viewPodcast? id=204307934
 
Angel's Wings 
http://www.soundcli ck.com/angelswin gs
 
New synth programming group for all synths.
Synth_Programming- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ravi Ivan Sharma 
 
Every synth that I have had that has encoders, has had ones that eventuall flake out or start skipping, often earlier than wished. These include: uQ keyboard, Ensonic ASR-X, Elektron Monomachine, Machinedrum, Notron -- so far not with my 2 evolver desktops, PEK or MEK, but one day I am sure it will happen.
 
Why? Because encoders are inherently prone to dust and use simply because of the way they work. From a mission critical point of view they all suck. But they do have very nice benefits when used with synths, don't they; but if such were so great, then it follows that the reason less than half the synths out ever use them is that they have a higher failure rate than a regular potentiometer.
 
Rotary encoders are not cheap. Your basis to make the assertion that DS uses cheap parts based on your single experience on a synth with 70 encoders -- that you refuse to get fixed or send in--even though apparently your synth is still under warranty-- is simply not logical and based on all your other continuing grinding, seems more ill will.
 
But yes, I completely agree that it sucks big time that 2 encoders are flaky. I am sure Dave will fix them. But it still sucks to have to send things in. I had to send my machinedrum to sweden and that really sucked!
 
But put it into perspective.




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From: William Soraparu yahoo.com>
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2007 4:35:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product

Thanks Dale, I will tune in!

I have only owned one yamaha and that was a DX-7...never had any problems with it...

Oh yes....I have 3 Clavia units...never any problems.... ..Love my Clavias..I will be getting the Nord Wave when it gets released!

I am staying away from the new Waldorfs though....too expensive for the capabilities they promise...and since I have the Q and Xtk...well I am sitting good!

Dale wrote:

Add Yamaha A5000, A4000 and A3000 to encoders with problems.

due to dust...

ION's are potentiometers, they fail .. OS update helped a bit to control ..

but it took 3 ION's on my side to get a unit stable to work .. even to this day

I still see it happen, a few twist and it's gone ...

Yamaha s-80 and p-60 etc.. they have encoders, but they seem real stable ...

PEK, it has not been a problem ... if it is there, I have not noticed it ...

I tend to rate synths more like sound, then ease of use ... next "can I add to it?"

sound being my number one item, always looking for that unique sound I can use in my tracks ...

The PEK has a different sound from the rest of synths here. I have yet to capture it the same

on the DAW as I think the DAW isn't able to play it back ...

DAW here is a motu 24 i and a presonus firebox ...

well, PEK is welcomed here ...

now to sort out my editors problems ... then I can really dig into it a bit further ... ;-)

Hey if you tune into http://www.harborou ghfm.co.uk/ right now, 2:00 pm PST 7 Apr 2007 or 10 PM UK time,

to the Terry Hawke show, you might catch some of our tracks, Steve Hillman and Steve Ballard, more too ... ;-)

dale

Inquisitor Betrayer
New CD "Space Elevator" Get it at http://cdbaby. com/cd/inquisito rbetrayer,
http://www.inquisit orbetrayer. com , http://www.myspace. com/inquisitorbe trayer ,
http://www.musicfor te.com/member/ ib_staff
Apple iTunes http://phobos. apple.com/ WebObjects/ MZStore.woa/ wa/viewAlbum? playListId= 200365877
Podcast http://phobos. apple.com/ WebObjects/ MZStore.woa/ wa/viewPodcast? id=204307934

Angel's Wings
http://www.soundcli ck.com/angelswin gs

New synth programming group for all synths.
Synth_Programming- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com

----- Original Message -----

From: Ravi Ivan Sharma

Every synth that I have had that has encoders, has had ones that eventuall flake out or start skipping, often earlier than wished. These include: uQ keyboard, Ensonic ASR-X, Elektron Monomachine, Machinedrum, Notron -- so far not with my 2 evolver desktops, PEK or MEK, but one day I am sure it will happen.

Why? Because encoders are inherently prone to dust and use simply because of the way they work. From a mission critical point of view they all suck. But they do have very nice benefits when used with synths, don't they; but if such were so great, then it follows that the reason less than half the synths out ever use them is that they have a higher failure rate than a regular potentiometer.

Rotary encoders are not cheap. Your basis to make the assertion that DS uses cheap parts based on your single experience on a synth with 70 encoders -- that you refuse to get fixed or send in--even though apparently your synth is still under warranty-- is simply not logical and based on all your other continuing grinding, seems more ill will.

But yes, I completely agree that it sucks big time that 2 encoders are flaky. I am sure Dave will fix them. But it still sucks to have to send things in. I had to send my machinedrum to sweden and that really sucked!

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William Soraparu wrote:

> since I have the Q and Xtk...well I am sitting good!
>
hahahahaha!!
you own and use an XTk, and you're compaining about PEK firmware updates?

Ok. you can finish trolling the list now.
:-)

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On 8 avr. 07, at 05:02, mr julian wrote:

>
>
> William Soraparu wrote:
>
>> since I have the Q and Xtk...well I am sitting good!
>>
> hahahahaha!!
> you own and use an XTk, and you're compaining about PEK firmware
> updates?
>
> Ok. you can finish trolling the list now.
> :-)
>
>
>
> julian
>

Yeah, no kiddin'. Q was even worse, wasn't it? I need to have the
nearly-dead encoders on my microQ - all six of them - soon....

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Thanks Dale, I will tune in!

I have only owned one yamaha and that was a DX-7...never had any problems with it...

Oh yes....I have 3 Clavia units...never any problems......Love my Clavias..I will be getting the Nord Wave when it gets released!

I am staying away from the new Waldorfs though....too expensive for the capabilities they promise...and since I have the Q and Xtk...well I am sitting good!

Dale ayer.com> wrote:

Add Yamaha A5000, A4000 and A3000 to encoders with problems.

due to dust...

ION's are potentiometers, they fail .. OS update helped a bit to control ..

but it took 3 ION's on my side to get a unit stable to work .. even to this day

I still see it happen, a few twist and it's gone ...

Yamaha s-80 and p-60 etc.. they have encoders, but they seem real stable ...

PEK, it has not been a problem ... if it is there, I have not noticed it ...

I tend to rate synths more like sound, then ease of use ... next "can I add to it?"

sound being my number one item, always looking for that unique sound I can use in my tracks ...

The PEK has a different sound from the rest of synths here. I have yet to capture it the same

on the DAW as I think the DAW isn't able to play it back ...

DAW here is a motu 24 i and a presonus firebox ...

well, PEK is welcomed here ...

now to sort out my editors problems ... then I can really dig into it a bit further ... ;-)

Hey if you tune into http://www.harboroughfm.co.uk/ right now, 2:00 pm PST 7 Apr 2007 or 10 PM UK time,

to the Terry Hawke show, you might catch some of our tracks, Steve Hillman and Steve Ballard, more too ... ;-)

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ravi Ivan Sharma

Every synth that I have had that has encoders, has had ones that eventuall flake out or start skipping, often earlier than wished. These include: uQ keyboard, Ensonic ASR-X, Elektron Monomachine, Machinedrum, Notron -- so far not with my 2 evolver desktops, PEK or MEK, but one day I am sure it will happen.

Why? Because encoders are inherently prone to dust and use simply because of the way they work. From a mission critical point of view they all suck. But they do have very nice benefits when used with synths, don't they; but if such were so great, then it follows that the reason less than half the synths out ever use them is that they have a higher failure rate than a regular potentiometer.

Rotary encoders are not cheap. Your basis to make the assertion that DS uses cheap parts based on your single experience on a synth with 70 encoders -- that you refuse to get fixed or send in--even though apparently your synth is still under warranty-- is simply not logical and based on all your other continuing grinding, seems more ill will.

But yes, I completely agree that it sucks big time that 2 encoders are flaky. I am sure Dave will fix them. But it still sucks to have to send things in. I had to send my machinedrum to sweden and that really sucked!

But put it into perspective.

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William Soraparu wrote:

> I do not need to troll...my XTK has never burped...

So that pretty much means that with your xtk....
1) you've never set a sound to mono mode and played or sequenced legato
lines.
2) you've never used it as a master keyboard, to control another MIDI
device with aftertouch enabled
3) you've never run the xtk in multi mode with midi in controlling the
sounds on multiple channels, and keyboard set to control another sound
(in another slot) set to channel one.

I know this, because I've owned an XTk for many years now, and for a
while we tried using it as our main synth(alongside a few other synths,
with an MPC as the sequencer!) for playing live.... and we went through
all sorts of hell for what should have been a very simple thing to ask
of a moderm multitimbral synth. And waldorf knew about these bugs for
YEARS before they shut down. They always promised to fix the problems
SOON.... but always, nothing....

So, yeah.... if you think the PEK has more problems than other
manufacturers gear, and you think that DSI is not as good at support for
customers as waldorf was, well you just plain haven't been paying
attention to the gear you own.

julian

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ahhh... the nord wave that looks pretty promising! HOWEVER I've had 3 nord lead 2x's and I've had to return all of them for some pretty shitty issues... Regardless, I am looking forward to the wave

-Jim

From: mr julian

William Soraparu wrote:

> I do not need to troll...my XTK has never burped...

So that pretty much means that with your xtk....
1) you've never set a sound to mono mode and played or sequenced legato
lines.
2) you've never used it as a master keyboard, to control another MIDI
device with aftertouch enabled
3) you've never run the xtk in multi mode with midi in controlling the
sounds on multiple channels, and keyboard set to control another sound
(in another slot) set to channel one.

I know this, because I've owned an XTk for many years now, and for a
while we tried using it as our main synth(alongside a few other synths,
with an MPC as the sequencer!) for playing live.... and we went through
all sorts of hell for what should have been a very simple thing to ask
of a moderm multitimbral synth. And waldorf knew about these bugs for
YEARS before they shut down. They always promised to fix the problems
SOON.... but always, nothing....

So, yeah.... if you think the PEK has more problems than other
manufacturers gear, and you think that DSI is not as good at support for
customers as waldorf was, well you just plain haven't been paying
attention to the gear you own.



julian

William Soraparu <donnbill369@yahoo.com> writes:
> And I never said that Dave did not answer questions....and politely
> at that. But one thing remains....the PEK was at least 2,000.00 for
> me....and when you spend that much....like with the Moog Voyagers
> and the Access Virus's...upgrades come....firmware
> fixes...etc....I've seen nothing from Dave on this.

Apparently you weren't on this list in the pre-PEK/PER days (when there
was a lot more traffic) -- there were many stories of Dave sending out
_hardware_ to people (free of charge) to fix some problem they were
having. That's where he got his crazy good reputation.

I don't know if the support is better or worse these days with the PEK,
because the traffic on this list is much lighter than it was in the old
days. Still, your negative experiences seem exceptional.

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----- Original Message ----
From: dodgingrain <Chris@...>
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 8:32:25 AM
Subject: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product

Give me a break. It's in the PER manual that it chains with a 
desktop. If you claim it's a feature and you even put it in the 
manual you would think you would test it properly. We are not 
talking about completely different synths here, we are talking 
essentially about the same board.

Not using mixers isn't nonsense just because you don't work that 
way. The way a user is supposed to chain the audio (per THE MANUAL) 
doesn't use a mixer, again this should have been tested.

Dude, seriously, have some respect for others. It's funny that you 
seem to think you know what happened with Bryce since you bring him 
up. Why don't you tell us the whole story and quote all the threads 
and emails since you seem to know it all?

What is truely "TIRED" is people accepting these sorts of flaws and 
even defending them to the death.

--- In DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" 
<sharmalaw1@ ...> wrote:
>
> Continually complaining that the Evolver Desktop is louder than the 
PER. Pity.
> 
> Complaining about an extra feature that is essentially a freebee. I 
cannot imagine one person less would buy their first Evolver Desktop 
because it could not be chained to any other. But the fact is, is 
that when it was made, the PER and the PEK and the MEK were not even 
conceived of it chains perfectly to other desktops as planned and 
advertised. Another manufacturer could have easily said that the 
desktop versions chain with each other and not with PEKS and PERS 
which are in a *different class*. But in this case, it was left in. 
The thing about no mixers is nonsense. I don't use mixers: Everything 
goes into my Motus, but the software has mixers inside which can fix 
any of this. I have 10 synths and I set the internal levels to 
balance *them* out. Even synths by the same brand, etc. Please shoot 
me if I every begin to bitterly complain that one of my Rolands has 
more gain than the other--even though they speak (and were advertised 
to) via midi . . . omigod!
> 
> And unless that person was private messaged by Dave Bryce, they 
were *all but* told to shut up, because . . . Dave Bryce did *not* 
tell him to shut up.
> 
> People just get tired of reading the same thing over and over 
again. Every synth I know, wait, every *thing* I know has 
limitations. Things do not have issues. People have issues with 
things, or not. So yes, IF one has three PERS and IF one wishes to 
work precisely as this person believes is correct--for him--, then it 
may not be so comfortable, for him. It's a personal issue with a 
design choice--or a fact of components-- that affects . . him . . . 
and, of course, the myriads like him. Show of hands please: Who else 
does this affect so much they haven't stopped about it for a year or 
so rather than getting on with life?
> 
> If the man who made the synth says--after years of requests-- that 
he can't or won't fix it--for his--I am certain, excellent reasons--
he is after all, a father of this all--then THAT IS IT. Why anyone 
wants to get on every forum and search high and low for similar 
disgrunts is seems somewhat sad at this point. Especially when 
apparently no one Evolver owner really gives a crap about something 
so miniscule and easily remediable.
> 
> Dale has found a solution and seems completely at peace with it. 
Sounds normal (pun!) to me. While one loves a synth so much to buy so 
many, then spends countless time bad mouthing it is really . . . not 
interesting.
> 
> I am not telling anyone to shut up, but this thread, ported over 
from at least two other forums, is truly TIRED.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Dale 
> To: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com 
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product
> 
> 
> 
> If the plugs are such a pain and you need those outs in the 
manner you mention, why not mod it?
> I bet he just has it switched with the jacks. 
> 
> I would not notice the levels, I run all the synths into a rolls 
RM203 (a pair of them) so I do balance it all out before it gets to 
the main
> mixer... each synth I have has some quirk that has to worked 
with, levels out being one of them ...
> 
> dale
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: dodgingrain 
> 
> I'd have to side on the negative to neutral side. Another bug 
that 
> exists, actually what I would consider a design flaw is that 
the 
> output on the desktop evolver is 6db higher than the output on 
the 
> PER and probably the PEK as well. I made this know well over a 
year 
> ago and got a luke warm response at best. I was told to use a 
mixer 
> to balance the levels, which frankly, I feel is rediculous 
given the 
> cost of these products and the fact that a lot of musicians no 
longer 
> use mixers at all these days. One of the selling points of the 
PER 
> was that you could get 5 voices by polychaining with a 
desktop.... 
> well yah, sort of. I wouldn't have bought an evolver at all if 
I had 
> know about that issue.
> 
> I wish someone would do a test on the MEK and let us know if 
that 
> issue exists there as well. So when people ask if you can 
chain the 
> PEK with an evolver desktop the answer shouldn't be a 
resounding 
> yes. Personally I would think this would be fixable as a 
software 
> updated to the evolver. If in poly chain mode the lower the 
output 
> by 6db.
> 
> Another issue I have is with the outputs on the PER. You can't 
keep 
> cables connected to both the main outputs and the individual 
voice 
> outputs. Personally I feel the best way to use a rack synth is 
to 
> have each output and input connected to a patch bay so you can 
route 
> whatever you want without having to dig around in the back of a 
> rack. Now imagine how much of a pain this is when you have 3 
PERs 
> like I do, it's not just swaping a few cables it's swaping a 
LOT of 
> cables.
> 
> Also when I would point out some of these issues in response to 
> questions by users or potential buyers on HC I was all but 
outright 
> told to shut up about it by the HC Admin at the time who works 
for 
> DSI.
>





 
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From: James Elliott

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product

Can we please give this subject a break.

Dave Smith fucked up. Give it a rest - you can either accept it, pray to the god(s) in the heavens above that our issues will be resolved, or you can sell your evolvers.

-Jim

----- Original Message ----
From: dodgingrain <Chris@cleosoft.com>
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 8:32:25 AM
Subject: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product

Give me a break. It's in the PER manual that it chains with a
desktop. If you claim it's a feature and you even put it in the
manual you would think you would test it properly. We are not
talking about completely different synths here, we are talking
essentially about the same board.

Not using mixers isn't nonsense just because you don't work that
way. The way a user is supposed to chain the audio (per THE MANUAL)
doesn't use a mixer, again this should have been tested.

Dude, seriously, have some respect for others. It's funny that you
seem to think you know what happened with Bryce since you bring him
up. Why don't you tell us the whole story and quote all the threads
and emails since you seem to know it all?

What is truely "TIRED" is people accepting these sorts of flaws and
even defending them to the death.

--- In DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma"
wrote:
>
> Continually complaining that the Evolver Desktop is louder than the
PER. Pity.
>
> Complaining about an extra feature that is essentially a freebee. I
cannot imagine one person less would buy their first Evolver Desktop
because it could not be chained to any other. But the fact is, is
that when it was made, the PER and the PEK and the MEK were not even
conceived of it chains perfectly to other desktops as planned and
advertised. Another manufacturer could have easily said that the
desktop versions chain with each other and not with PEKS and PERS
which are in a *different class*. But in this case, it was left in.
The thing about no mixers is nonsense. I don't use mixers: Everything
goes into my Motus, but the software has mixers inside which can fix
any of this. I have 10 synths and I set the internal levels to
balance *them* out. Even synths by the same brand, etc. Please shoot
me if I every begin to bitterly complain that one of my Rolands has
more gain than the other--even though they speak (and were advertised
to) via midi . . . omigod!
>
> And unless that person was private messaged by Dave Bryce, they
were *all but* told to shut up, because . . . Dave Bryce did *not*
tell him to shut up.
>
> People just get tired of reading the same thing over and over
again. Every synth I know, wait, every *thing* I know has
limitations. Things do not have issues. People have issues with
things, or not. So yes, IF one has three PERS and IF one wishes to
work precisely as this person believes is correct--for him--, then it
may not be so comfortable, for him. It's a personal issue with a
design choice--or a fact of components-- that affects . . him . . .
and, of course, the myriads like him. Show of hands please: Who else
does this affect so much they haven't stopped about it for a year or
so rather than getting on with life?
>
> If the man who made the synth says--after years of requests-- that
he can't or won't fix it--for his--I am certain, excellent reasons--
he is after all, a father of this all--then THAT IS IT. Why anyone
wants to get on every forum and search high and low for similar
disgrunts is seems somewhat sad at this point. Especially when
apparently no one Evolver owner really gives a crap about something
so miniscule and easily remediable.
>
> Dale has found a solution and seems completely at peace with it.
Sounds normal (pun!) to me. While one loves a synth so much to buy so
many, then spends countless time bad mouthing it is really . . . not
interesting.
>
> I am not telling anyone to shut up, but this thread, ported over
from at least two other forums, is truly TIRED.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dale
> To: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product
>
>
>
> If the plugs are such a pain and you need those outs in the
manner you mention, why not mod it?
> I bet he just has it switched with the jacks.
>
> I would not notice the levels, I run all the synths into a rolls
RM203 (a pair of them) so I do balance it all out before it gets to
the main
> mixer... each synth I have has some quirk that has to worked
with, levels out being one of them ...
>
> dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dodgingrain
>
> I'd have to side on the negative to neutral side. Another bug
that
> exists, actually what I would consider a design flaw is that
the
> output on the desktop evolver is 6db higher than the output on
the
> PER and probably the PEK as well. I made this know well over a
year
> ago and got a luke warm response at best. I was told to use a
mixer
> to balance the levels, which frankly, I feel is rediculous
given the
> cost of these products and the fact that a lot of musicians no
longer
> use mixers at all these days. One of the selling points of the
PER
> was that you could get 5 voices by polychaining with a
desktop....
> well yah, sort of. I wouldn't have bought an evolver at all if
I had
> know about that issue.
>
> I wish someone would do a test on the MEK and let us know if
that
> issue exists there as well. So when people ask if you can
chain the
> PEK with an evolver desktop the answer shouldn't be a
resounding
> yes. Personally I would think this would be fixable as a
software
> updated to the evolver. If in poly chain mode the lower the
output
> by 6db.
>
> Another issue I have is with the outputs on the PER. You can't
keep
> cables connected to both the main outputs and the individual
voice
> outputs. Personally I feel the best way to use a rack synth is
to
> have each output and input connected to a patch bay so you can
route
> whatever you want without having to dig around in the back of a
> rack. Now imagine how much of a pain this is when you have 3
PERs
> like I do, it's not just swaping a few cables it's swaping a
LOT of
> cables.
>
> Also when I would point out some of these issues in response to
> questions by users or potential buyers on HC I was all but
outright
> told to shut up about it by the HC Admin at the time who works
for
> DSI.
>

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From: Matt Stanbro

I just had a great experience with support. I am
actually pleasently suprised. It was enough before
that they got back with me in a day but now they are
really helping me out instead of charging me big for
something minor like Korg or Roland would have done. I
give support and the company in general 4 stars. If
they update the OS to be completely midi controllable
from the CC's I will give them 5.

some things, can't be fixed with a OS update...

hardware is needed ...

Like the MS2000, timing issues with the arp .. sure they did a OS update and that took it as far as it will go ...

AN200, DX200, the skip beat on seq. etc.. workarounds for all ... but

I wish I had a 100% then I would be able to bic. more about the other things ...

Well maybe not, I grown use to these things ... most of the time by beating my head on the wall wondering what stupid thing did I do ..

hence the why I am on over 102 groups ... to ask and keep up on these things so I don't kill off what 2 brain cells I have left ...

Aftertouch is a big issue here, I use it for so many things sometimes on our tracks ... that would be a killer ...

PEK works fine, just not as sensitive as I would like or should I say use too ... Extreme aftertouch is what I use mostly.. Even the Fusion aftertouch drives me

crazy sometimes ... s-80 isn't as bad however on aftertouch either but really that is my wife's keys, I just use once in a while.

Once again, I am very thankful for midi, as I can adjust and mix as needed with all these hardward items that don't work 100% ....

dale

----- Original Message -----

From: mr julian

William Soraparu wrote:

> I do not need to troll...my XTK has never burped...

So that pretty much means that with your xtk....
1) you've never set a sound to mono mode and played or sequenced legato
lines.
2) you've never used it as a master keyboard, to control another MIDI
device with aftertouch enabled
3) you've never run the xtk in multi mode with midi in controlling the
sounds on multiple channels, and keyboard set to control another sound
(in another slot) set to channel one.

I know this, because I've owned an XTk for many years now, and for a
while we tried using it as our main synth(alongside a few other synths,
with an MPC as the sequencer!) for playing live.... and we went through
all sorts of hell for what should have been a very simple thing to ask
of a moderm multitimbral synth. And waldorf knew about these bugs for
YEARS before they shut down. They always promised to fix the problems
SOON.... but always, nothing....

So, yeah.... if you think the PEK has more problems than other
manufacturers gear, and you think that DSI is not as good at support for
customers as waldorf was, well you just plain haven't been paying
attention to the gear you own.



julian

Don't pick lemons.
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>
> I am seriously considering purchasing a Poly Evolver Keyboard.
> 
> It would act as a master keyboard controller for my studio (replacing a 
> just-sold DX7II FD) and be my primary programming synth (likely means 
> I'd sell my little-used Alesis Ion).
> 
> Some questions for those who have it:
> - What bugs currently exist?
> - Do the knobs send out MIDI?  If so, what kind?
> - Is it worth it?
> - Should I keep my desktop Evolver for use as a 5th voice?  Has anyone 
> actually done this?  How does it work?
> 
> Given that I have about $2400 to spend on a master keyboard/synth, 
> anyone in the group have any other suggestions?  I want a decent 
> keyboard, but I am not a very good player, so I don't need or want full 
> weighted action.
> 
> I need at least the 61 keys the PEK provides (Ion, Nord, etc. only have 
> 49) but my studio desk won't easily support anything larger than that.
>

>
> I am seriously considering purchasing a Poly Evolver Keyboard.
> 
> It would act as a master keyboard controller for my studio (replacing a 
> just-sold DX7II FD) and be my primary programming synth (likely means 
> I'd sell my little-used Alesis Ion).
> 
> Some questions for those who have it:
> - What bugs currently exist?
> - Do the knobs send out MIDI?  If so, what kind?
> - Is it worth it?
> - Should I keep my desktop Evolver for use as a 5th voice?  Has anyone 
> actually done this?  How does it work?
> 
> Given that I have about $2400 to spend on a master keyboard/synth, 
> anyone in the group have any other suggestions?  I want a decent 
> keyboard, but I am not a very good player, so I don't need or want full 
> weighted action.
> 
> I need at least the 61 keys the PEK provides (Ion, Nord, etc. only have 
> 49) but my studio desk won't easily support anything larger than that.
>

> customers as waldorf was, well you just plain haven't been paying 
> attention to the gear you own.
> 
> 
> 
> julian
>   
> 
>          
> 
>        
> ---------------------------------
> Don't pick lemons.
> See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>

Ozonic from M audio is not bad, keys could be better, the FW interface
and a mic preamp are nice features. Otherwise new Edirols are nice but
little less then 3 octaves. Novations are bulky and poorly build
though have nice keys.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, William Soraparu ...>
wrote:
>
> I travel alot....what would you suggest as far as a good synth
goes......I have been using the Clavia 3 octave G2...but with how much
it costs..I hate lugging it..I use it to write with...in conjunction
with Cubase...I was checking out the new Novation that runs on
Batts....has anyone gotten their hands on that one? Care to share? I
just need something for the road...but can also stand on its own....
>
> Thanks
>
> Dale wrote:
> some things, can't be fixed with a OS update...
> hardware is needed ...
>
> Like the MS2000, timing issues with the arp .. sure they did a OS
update and that took it as far as it will go ...
> AN200, DX200, the skip beat on seq. etc.. workarounds for all ... but
> I wish I had a 100% then I would be able to bic. more about the
other things ...
>
> Well maybe not, I grown use to these things ... most of the time
by beating my head on the wall wondering what stupid thing did I do ..
> hence the why I am on over 102 groups ... to ask and keep up on
these things so I don't kill off what 2 brain cells I have left ...
>
> Aftertouch is a big issue here, I use it for so many things
sometimes on our tracks ... that would be a killer ...
> PEK works fine, just not as sensitive as I would like or should I
say use too ... Extreme aftertouch is what I use mostly.. Even the
Fusion aftertouch drives me
> crazy sometimes ... s-80 isn't as bad however on aftertouch either
but really that is my wife's keys, I just use once in a while.
>
> Once again, I am very thankful for midi, as I can adjust and mix
as needed with all these hardward items that don't work 100% ....
>
> dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mr julian
>
> William Soraparu wrote:
>
> > I do not need to troll...my XTK has never burped...
>
> So that pretty much means that with your xtk....
> 1) you've never set a sound to mono mode and played or sequenced
legato
> lines.
> 2) you've never used it as a master keyboard, to control another MIDI
> device with aftertouch enabled
> 3) you've never run the xtk in multi mode with midi in controlling the
> sounds on multiple channels, and keyboard set to control another sound
> (in another slot) set to channel one.
>
> I know this, because I've owned an XTk for many years now, and for a
> while we tried using it as our main synth(alongside a few other
synths,
> with an MPC as the sequencer!) for playing live.... and we went through
> all sorts of hell for what should have been a very simple thing to ask
> of a moderm multitimbral synth. And waldorf knew about these bugs for
> YEARS before they shut down. They always promised to fix the problems
> SOON.... but always, nothing....
>
> So, yeah.... if you think the PEK has more problems than other
> manufacturers gear, and you think that DSI is not as good at support
for
> customers as waldorf was, well you just plain haven't been paying
> attention to the gear you own.
>
>
>
> julian
>
>
>
>
>
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> Dave smith...and I've owned quite a lot of synths. :)
> 
> Obviously YMMV.
> 
> Very Best Regards, James
> --
> http://www.carbon111.com/evolver.html
>

>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Carbon111 <carbon111@> wrote:
> >
> To say Dave Smith instrument gives no suport for their instruments is 
> crazy.  I just emailed them to say I think my MEK has a midi cc#7 
> receiving problem and within 20 minutes they had responded by email 
> to ask me for further details.  And I'm in Australia!  
> 
> 
> 
> > > I own a PEK..it works 99.9 percent of the time...cept for 2 
> encoders  by 
> > > the display...
> > 
> > Those are the only encoders that aren't buffered so the values are 
> a bit 
> > jumpy...the only time it becomes a problem is while naming a patch. 
> Dave 
> > said its an easy fix and he will implement it in the next OS.
> > 
> > I've had the best support I've ever had from any company _ever_ 
> from 
> > Dave smith...and I've owned quite a lot of synths. :)
> > 
> > Obviously YMMV.
> > 
> > Very Best Regards, James
> > --
> > http://www.carbon111.com/evolver.html
> >
>