Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

----- Original Message -----

From: James Elliott

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product

Can we please give this subject a break.

Dave Smith fucked up. Give it a rest - you can either accept it, pray to the god(s) in the heavens above that our issues will be resolved, or you can sell your evolvers.

-Jim

----- Original Message ----
From: dodgingrain <Chris@cleosoft.com>
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 8:32:25 AM
Subject: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product

Give me a break. It's in the PER manual that it chains with a
desktop. If you claim it's a feature and you even put it in the
manual you would think you would test it properly. We are not
talking about completely different synths here, we are talking
essentially about the same board.

Not using mixers isn't nonsense just because you don't work that
way. The way a user is supposed to chain the audio (per THE MANUAL)
doesn't use a mixer, again this should have been tested.

Dude, seriously, have some respect for others. It's funny that you
seem to think you know what happened with Bryce since you bring him
up. Why don't you tell us the whole story and quote all the threads
and emails since you seem to know it all?

What is truely "TIRED" is people accepting these sorts of flaws and
even defending them to the death.

--- In DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma"
wrote:
>
> Continually complaining that the Evolver Desktop is louder than the
PER. Pity.
>
> Complaining about an extra feature that is essentially a freebee. I
cannot imagine one person less would buy their first Evolver Desktop
because it could not be chained to any other. But the fact is, is
that when it was made, the PER and the PEK and the MEK were not even
conceived of it chains perfectly to other desktops as planned and
advertised. Another manufacturer could have easily said that the
desktop versions chain with each other and not with PEKS and PERS
which are in a *different class*. But in this case, it was left in.
The thing about no mixers is nonsense. I don't use mixers: Everything
goes into my Motus, but the software has mixers inside which can fix
any of this. I have 10 synths and I set the internal levels to
balance *them* out. Even synths by the same brand, etc. Please shoot
me if I every begin to bitterly complain that one of my Rolands has
more gain than the other--even though they speak (and were advertised
to) via midi . . . omigod!
>
> And unless that person was private messaged by Dave Bryce, they
were *all but* told to shut up, because . . . Dave Bryce did *not*
tell him to shut up.
>
> People just get tired of reading the same thing over and over
again. Every synth I know, wait, every *thing* I know has
limitations. Things do not have issues. People have issues with
things, or not. So yes, IF one has three PERS and IF one wishes to
work precisely as this person believes is correct--for him--, then it
may not be so comfortable, for him. It's a personal issue with a
design choice--or a fact of components-- that affects . . him . . .
and, of course, the myriads like him. Show of hands please: Who else
does this affect so much they haven't stopped about it for a year or
so rather than getting on with life?
>
> If the man who made the synth says--after years of requests-- that
he can't or won't fix it--for his--I am certain, excellent reasons--
he is after all, a father of this all--then THAT IS IT. Why anyone
wants to get on every forum and search high and low for similar
disgrunts is seems somewhat sad at this point. Especially when
apparently no one Evolver owner really gives a crap about something
so miniscule and easily remediable.
>
> Dale has found a solution and seems completely at peace with it.
Sounds normal (pun!) to me. While one loves a synth so much to buy so
many, then spends countless time bad mouthing it is really . . . not
interesting.
>
> I am not telling anyone to shut up, but this thread, ported over
from at least two other forums, is truly TIRED.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dale
> To: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: PEK Product
>
>
>
> If the plugs are such a pain and you need those outs in the
manner you mention, why not mod it?
> I bet he just has it switched with the jacks.
>
> I would not notice the levels, I run all the synths into a rolls
RM203 (a pair of them) so I do balance it all out before it gets to
the main
> mixer... each synth I have has some quirk that has to worked
with, levels out being one of them ...
>
> dale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dodgingrain
>
> I'd have to side on the negative to neutral side. Another bug
that
> exists, actually what I would consider a design flaw is that
the
> output on the desktop evolver is 6db higher than the output on
the
> PER and probably the PEK as well. I made this know well over a
year
> ago and got a luke warm response at best. I was told to use a
mixer
> to balance the levels, which frankly, I feel is rediculous
given the
> cost of these products and the fact that a lot of musicians no
longer
> use mixers at all these days. One of the selling points of the
PER
> was that you could get 5 voices by polychaining with a
desktop....
> well yah, sort of. I wouldn't have bought an evolver at all if
I had
> know about that issue.
>
> I wish someone would do a test on the MEK and let us know if
that
> issue exists there as well. So when people ask if you can
chain the
> PEK with an evolver desktop the answer shouldn't be a
resounding
> yes. Personally I would think this would be fixable as a
software
> updated to the evolver. If in poly chain mode the lower the
output
> by 6db.
>
> Another issue I have is with the outputs on the PER. You can't
keep
> cables connected to both the main outputs and the individual
voice
> outputs. Personally I feel the best way to use a rack synth is
to
> have each output and input connected to a patch bay so you can
route
> whatever you want without having to dig around in the back of a
> rack. Now imagine how much of a pain this is when you have 3
PERs
> like I do, it's not just swaping a few cables it's swaping a
LOT of
> cables.
>
> Also when I would point out some of these issues in response to
> questions by users or potential buyers on HC I was all but
outright
> told to shut up about it by the HC Admin at the time who works
for
> DSI.
>

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