Hm, thanks Iain, were you using soundtower? that's what I use for the med. Bill --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@...> wrote: > > It's been a while since I used my PER, so I may have some of the details > confused. > > Let's say you set up a Combo Mode patch like this: > > Part MIDI Ch Bank Program > ------- ------- ---- ------- > Part 1: 1 1 50 > Part 2: 2 2 51 > Part 3: 3 1 52 > Part 4: 4 1 53 > > From a sequencer you can play the 4 individual parts by triggering midi > channels 1-4, just like any multitibral synth. > > One would also expect that if you send a bank/program change along > channel 3 of bank 2/program 100, you would end up with this: > > Part MIDI Ch Bank Program > ------- ------- ---- ------- > Part 1: 1 1 50 > Part 2: 2 2 51 > Part 3: 3 3 100 > Part 4: 4 1 53 > > Not so. What you get is a PROGRAM change to bank 2/program 100, and you > are no longer in COMBO mode, but in PROGRAM mode. The only way to remain > in COMBO mode is to avoid sending any program changes from a sequencer. > > Regarding the other question you asked... You CAN edit a single program > while in combo mode. However, in my experience the software that comes > with the PER was buggy at this. Sometimes all the programs in a combo > got reset to something not intended by me, like a default patch, or a > duplicate of another one of the combo patches, or some other weird > behavior, while I was editing a patch in a Combo. And without the > software, programming the thing is tedious. I don't know if this quirk > happens with the other DSI editor or if you try editing from the > faceplate. > > ________________________________ > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of prof_lofi > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:00 PM > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > I"m still considering a PER but this damn 'combo mode' thing is still > confusing me in terms of how it will really impact using the PER. > > I understand that if any patch changes are made via a sequencer that it > pops it out of combo mode, right? and that combo mode is basically what > allows the PER to function as 4 'unique' instances of a mono evolver, > thus allowing multivoice etc? I also read that if you attempt to edit a > program parameter of one voice while in combo mode it won't allow you to > save it...thus, afaict, you really need to program each voice (each one > of the inner four evolvers) of the PER individually before you stack > them in Combo mode, is that right? and if you want to adjust something, > you pop out of CM, adjust it, and then go back in to hear how the four > sound together? Pain in the ass if so...I'd need to hear it adjusted in > the context of the other four really....does any one else have a PER and > have an comments about their experience...it's just hard to tell without > having one to tweak for a couple of weeks...and they're a bit expensive > to buy just to see, if you know what I mean. > > Another forum has many suggestions basically saying that as great as the > evolver is, it's diminishing returns after the first voice. I love my > MED, but I'm wondering if this is true, and if so, what others have > supplemented their kit with beyond a MED etc. > > Thanks! > > Bill > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "prof_lofi" <billthompson@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Iain, > > > > Thanks, ok. So sounds like it's an issue if you're making live program > changes (either manually or via a sequencer) in that it won't make > independent changes without defaulting to 'start' again (ie bouncing out > of combo mode)? But if you pre-program the patch, it's fine...is that > about right? > > > > Confusing one there. And I think it could be fixed with an os update > but as the rack polyevolver isn't supported anymore, I wonder if there > ever would be an os update for it at this point? > > > > Thanks again for everyone's response, > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@> wrote: > > > > > > Sure Bill. > > > > > > > > > > > > The PER manual states that Poly Evolvers used in combo mode are like > > > having four Mono Evolvers. This implies that we can assign four > parts to > > > their own midi channel then make independent program changes on each > > > channel, just like every other multitimbral synth on the planet. > This is > > > not what happens. When you send a program change from a sequencer to > one > > > of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often taken out > of > > > combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to save a > > > combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want. This > is an > > > annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer. > You > > > may have a different methodology when creating music so it may not > be a > > > problem for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] > > > On Behalf Of prof_lofi > > > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23 PM > > > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop > evolver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Iain, > > > > > > Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo > mode > > > was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without > > > having one to mess around with. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver > > > Keyboard > > > > and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the > > > Rack > > > > because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get > > > other > > > > gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I sold the PER I used it for a project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are > almost > > > all > > > > Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX. > > > > > > > > http://obelus.com/music/film.asp > <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp > <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > -- Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] > > > > On Behalf Of prof_lofi > > > > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM > > > > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop > evolver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and > > > > considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i > > > never > > > > sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about > trying to > > > > find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that > use > > > the > > > > genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be > really > > > > interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to > hear > > > how > > > > much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but > > > with > > > > a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in > > > that > > > > respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump > and > > > > found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding? > <sigh> > > > > money! > > > > > > > > bill > > > > > > > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts > a > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > I use a sub mixer for that. > > > > > > > > > > here is my normal route for feed back in > > > > > synth to sub mixer > > > > > sub mixer channel to patch panel > > > > > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on > > > > > output back to sub mixer > > > > > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple > > > synths > > > > > > > > > > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many > different > > > > ways > > > > > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect > it > > > in > > > > > various ways which > > > > > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one > > > synth > > > > but > > > > > several > > > > > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if > in a > > > > chain) > > > > > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix > > > > > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage > > > > > "think modular" > > > > > > > > > > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at > the > > > > links > > > > > below > > > > > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-) > > > > > > > > > > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those > > > > > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as > well > > > > > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each > > > > > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not > > > toyed > > > > with > > > > > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ... > > > > > > > > > > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq > > > > > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want > to > > > > toy with > > > > > and filter out the rest > > > > > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... > etc > > > ... > > > > > filter queen, killer eq (electrix) > > > > > > > > > > PEK here and the SE P'08 ... > > > > > > > > > > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them > > > > > > > > > > dale > > > > > > > > > > Inquisitor Betrayer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This electronic mail message contains information that (a) is or > > > > may be CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY IN NATURE, OR OTHERWISE > > > > PROTECTED > > > > BY LAW FROM DISCLOSURE, and (b) is intended only for the use of > > > > the > > > > addressee(s) named herein. 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[DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
2009-08-05 by prof_lofi