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getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-17 by prof_lofi

Hi all,

I'm revisiting how I use my desktop mono evolver, seeing if I've really exploited it for live purposes beyond sound design etc (I do experimental music creating very analogue 'elec. equipment'y' type sounds etc.)...

One thing I've thought about trying is the old trick up plugging the output back into the input.  Has anyone tried this, can it damage the evolver?  I was thinking of routing this via aux return on my board to mix/play live.

Thanks....

Bill

www.billthompson.org

Re: [DSI Synths] getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-17 by Horton

The Evolver is so ridiculously deep that the idea of getting "more"
out of it is almost laughable, but one of my favorite tricks is to
mess with really long delay times and do some "sound on sound" - you
can find a lot of weirdness living in the delay line, esp. with
"output hack" - lots of interesting aliasing and loss of fidelity.

- AH

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:41 AM, prof_lofi<billthompson@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm revisiting how I use my desktop mono evolver, seeing if I've really exploited it for live purposes beyond sound design etc (I do experimental music creating very analogue 'elec. equipment'y' type sounds etc.)...
>
> One thing I've thought about trying is the old trick up plugging the output back into the input.  Has anyone tried this, can it damage the evolver?  I was thinking of routing this via aux return on my board to mix/play live.
>
> Thanks....
>
> Bill
>
> www.billthompson.org
>
>
>
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Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-18 by Ben

Just a thought about feeding the output back into the input:
I don't know whether it runs a risk of damaging the unit, but it can damage speakers and your *ears*.  
Arguably, the evolver's internal feedback line serves the purpose you're describing, but I guess it's pre-output hack.  

If you do attempt this loop, you'll obviously put a mixer in the path to split the output path, so that will give you some opportunity to control the level somewhat.  I'd process it before putting it back in, with things like pitch-shifters, analog distortion, odd ball pedals and modules, and most importantly a *dynamics processor* like a compressor/limiter to reduce out-of-control feedback.

The evolver's internal facilities keep me fairly busy.  I recall DSI inviting people to submit presets at some point, and the criterion was to max out all of the parameters â" every envelope, lfo, sequencer, etc.  I rarely get to all of these when designing a patch, because before I do, I'm satisfied I've arrived at something interesting.

Check out Anu Kirk's guide to the evolver (link in archives).  Was looking at it the other day and noticed some good tips.
best of luck,
ben

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "prof_lofi" <billthompson@...> wrote:

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>
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm revisiting how I use my desktop mono evolver, seeing if I've really exploited it for live purposes beyond sound design etc (I do experimental music creating very analogue 'elec. equipment'y' type sounds etc.)...
> 
> One thing I've thought about trying is the old trick up plugging the output back into the input.  Has anyone tried this, can it damage the evolver?  I was thinking of routing this via aux return on my board to mix/play live.
> 
> Thanks....
> 
> Bill
> 
> www.billthompson.org
>

Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-18 by Dale Kay

sorry if this posts twice, yahoo likes to ignor my posts a lot

I use a sub mixer for that.

here is my normal route for feed back in
synth to sub mixer
sub mixer channel to patch panel
patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
output back to sub mixer
sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple synths

I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many different ways
and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect it in
various ways which
I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one synth but
several
and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if in a chain)
as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
"think modular"

my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at the links
below
never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)

sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as well
patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not toyed with
even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...

some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want to toy with
and filter out the rest
the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... etc ...
filter queen, killer eq (electrix)

PEK here and the SE P'08 ...

latest crazy things, using FM8 with them

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Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-18 by Dale Kay

sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts a lot

I use a sub mixer for that.

here is my normal route for feed back in
synth to sub mixer
sub mixer channel to patch panel
patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
output back to sub mixer
sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple synths

I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many different ways
and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect it in
various ways which
I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one synth but
several
and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if in a chain)
as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
"think modular"

my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at the links
below
never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)

sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as well
patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not toyed with
even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...

some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want to toy with
and filter out the rest
the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... etc ...
filter queen, killer eq (electrix)

PEK here and the SE P'08 ...

latest crazy things, using FM8 with them

dale

Inquisitor Betrayer

Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-24 by prof_lofi

thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i never sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about trying to find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that use the genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be really interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to hear how much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but with a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in that respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump and found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding?  <sigh> money!

bill

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Kay" <dale@...> wrote:

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>
> sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts a lot
> 
> I use a sub mixer for that.
> 
> here is my normal route for feed back in
> synth to sub mixer
> sub mixer channel to patch panel
> patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> output back to sub mixer
> sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple synths
> 
> I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many different ways
> and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect it in
> various ways which
> I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one synth but
> several
> and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if in a chain)
> as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> "think modular"
> 
> my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at the links
> below
> never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> 
> sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as well
> patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not toyed with
> even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> 
> some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want to toy with
> and filter out the rest
> the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... etc ...
> filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> 
> PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> 
> latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> 
> dale
> 
> Inquisitor Betrayer
>

RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-24 by Iain Bryden

After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver Keyboard
and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the Rack
because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get other
gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.

 

Before I sold the PER I used it for a project. 

 

Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are almost all
Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.

http://obelus.com/music/film.asp

 

Regards,

-- Iain

 

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From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of prof_lofi
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i never
sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about trying to
find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that use the
genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be really
interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to hear how
much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but with
a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in that
respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump and
found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding? <sigh>
money!

bill

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@...> wrote:
>
> sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts a lot
> 
> I use a sub mixer for that.
> 
> here is my normal route for feed back in
> synth to sub mixer
> sub mixer channel to patch panel
> patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> output back to sub mixer
> sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple synths
> 
> I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many different
ways
> and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect it in
> various ways which
> I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one synth
but
> several
> and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if in a
chain)
> as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> "think modular"
> 
> my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at the
links
> below
> never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> 
> sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as well
> patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not toyed
with
> even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> 
> some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want to
toy with
> and filter out the rest
> the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... etc ...
> filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> 
> PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> 
> latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> 
> dale
> 
> Inquisitor Betrayer
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[DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-25 by prof_lofi

Hi Iain,

Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo mode was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without having one to mess around with.

Thanks,

Bill

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@...> wrote:

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>
> After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver Keyboard
> and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the Rack
> because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get other
> gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
> 
>  
> 
> Before I sold the PER I used it for a project. 
> 
>  
> 
> Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are almost all
> Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
> 
> http://obelus.com/music/film.asp
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- Iain
> 
>  
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
> considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i never
> sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about trying to
> find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that use the
> genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be really
> interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to hear how
> much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but with
> a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in that
> respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump and
> found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding? <sigh>
> money!
> 
> bill
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@> wrote:
> >
> > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts a lot
> > 
> > I use a sub mixer for that.
> > 
> > here is my normal route for feed back in
> > synth to sub mixer
> > sub mixer channel to patch panel
> > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> > output back to sub mixer
> > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple synths
> > 
> > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many different
> ways
> > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect it in
> > various ways which
> > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one synth
> but
> > several
> > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if in a
> chain)
> > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> > "think modular"
> > 
> > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at the
> links
> > below
> > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> > 
> > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as well
> > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not toyed
> with
> > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> > 
> > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want to
> toy with
> > and filter out the rest
> > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... etc ...
> > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> > 
> > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> > 
> > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> > 
> > dale
> > 
> > Inquisitor Betrayer
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-25 by peter sedin

what is combo mode?

--- On Sat, 7/25/09, prof_lofi wrote:

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From: prof_lofi
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 3:23 AM

Hi Iain,

Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo mode was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without having one to mess around with.

Thanks,

Bill

--- In DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com, "Iain Bryden" wrote:
>
> After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver Keyboard
> and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the Rack
> because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get other
> gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
>
>
>
> Before I sold the PER I used it for a project.
>
>
>
> Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are almost all
> Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
>
> http://obelus. com/music/ film.asp
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Iain
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com]
> On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
> To: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
>
>
>
>
>
> thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
> considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i never
> sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about trying to
> find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that use the
> genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be really
> interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to hear how
> much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but with
> a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in that
> respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump and
> found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding?
> money!
>
> bill
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
> , "Dale Kay" wrote:
> >
> > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts a lot
> >
> > I use a sub mixer for that.
> >
> > here is my normal route for feed back in
> > synth to sub mixer
> > sub mixer channel to patch panel
> > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> > output back to sub mixer
> > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple synths
> >
> > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many different
> ways
> > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect it in
> > various ways which
> > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one synth
> but
> > several
> > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if in a
> chain)
> > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> > "think modular"
>; >
> > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at the
> links
> > below
> > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> >
> > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as well
> > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not toyed
> with
> > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> >
> > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want to
> toy with
> > and filter out the rest
> > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... etc ...
> > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> >
> > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> >
> > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> >
> > dale
> >
> > Inquisitor Betrayer
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-27 by Iain Bryden

Sure Bill.

 

The PER manual states that Poly Evolvers used in combo mode are like
having four Mono Evolvers. This implies that we can assign four parts to
their own midi channel then make independent program changes on each
channel, just like every other multitimbral synth on the planet. This is
not what happens. When you send a program change from a sequencer to one
of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often taken out of
combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to save a
combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want. This is an
annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer. You
may have a different methodology when creating music so it may not be a
problem for you.

 

-- Iain

 

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On Behalf Of prof_lofi
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23 PM
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

 

  

Hi Iain,

Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo mode
was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without
having one to mess around with.

Thanks,

Bill

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@...>
wrote:
>
> After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver
Keyboard
> and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the
Rack
> because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get
other
> gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
> 
> 
> 
> Before I sold the PER I used it for a project. 
> 
> 
> 
> Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are almost
all
> Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
> 
> http://obelus.com/music/film.asp <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- Iain
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
> considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i
never
> sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about trying to
> find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that use
the
> genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be really
> interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to hear
how
> much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but
with
> a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in
that
> respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump and
> found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding? <sigh>
> money!
> 
> bill
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@> wrote:
> >
> > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts a
lot
> > 
> > I use a sub mixer for that.
> > 
> > here is my normal route for feed back in
> > synth to sub mixer
> > sub mixer channel to patch panel
> > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> > output back to sub mixer
> > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple
synths
> > 
> > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many different
> ways
> > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect it
in
> > various ways which
> > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one
synth
> but
> > several
> > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if in a
> chain)
> > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> > "think modular"
> > 
> > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at the
> links
> > below
> > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> > 
> > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as well
> > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not
toyed
> with
> > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> > 
> > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want to
> toy with
> > and filter out the rest
> > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... etc
...
> > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> > 
> > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> > 
> > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> > 
> > dale
> > 
> > Inquisitor Betrayer
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-27 by Iain Bryden

The Poly Evolvers have two modes, program mode and combo mode. Mono
Evolvers have only program mode. Program mode on the Polys allows you to
play 4 note chords. Combo mode allows you to stack and split any of the
4 voices or assign 4 mono patches to different midi channels to use with
a sequencer.

 

________________________________

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From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of peter sedin
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:49 AM
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
evolver

 

  

what is combo mode?

--- On Sat, 7/25/09, prof_lofi <billthompson@...> wrote:


From: prof_lofi <billthompson@...>
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 3:23 AM

  

Hi Iain,

Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo mode
was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without
having one to mess around with.

Thanks,

Bill

--- In DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com, "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@... >
wrote:
>
> After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver
Keyboard
> and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the
Rack
> because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get
other
> gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
> 
> 
> 
> Before I sold the PER I used it for a project. 
> 
> 
> 
> Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are almost
all
> Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
> 
> http://obelus. com/music/ film.asp <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- Iain
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups.
com]
> On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
> To: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
> considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i
never
> sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about trying to
> find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that use
the
> genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be really
> interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to hear
how
> much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but
with
> a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in
that
> respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump and
> found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding? <sigh>
> money!
> 
> bill
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:DSI_ Evolver%40yahoog roups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@> wrote:
> >
> > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts a
lot
> > 
> > I use a sub mixer for that.
> > 
> > here is my normal route for feed back in
> > synth to sub mixer
> > sub mixer channel to patch panel
> > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> > output back to sub mixer
> > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple
synths
> > 
> > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many different
> ways
> > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect it
in
> > various ways which
> > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one
synth
> but
> > several
> > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if in a
> chain)
> > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> > "think modular"
> > 
> > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at the
> links
> > below
> > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> > 
> > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as well
> > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not
toyed
> with
> > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> > 
> > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want to
> toy with
> > and filter out the rest
> > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... etc
...
> > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> > 
> > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> > 
> > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> > 
> > dale
> > 
> > Inquisitor Betrayer
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-27 by massimo

Is that the only problem? That's actually not too bad.

Also sounds like something that could be sorted with an OS update. I know DSI like to take their time with those though.

So you can have four patches on different MIDI channels with different clock divide values and so on?

--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Iain Bryden wrote:

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From: Iain Bryden
Subject: RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 27 July, 2009, 3:17 PM

Sure Bill.

The PER manual states that Poly Evolvers used in combo mode are like having four Mono Evolvers. This implies that we can assign four parts to their own midi channel then make independent program changes on each channel, just like every other multitimbral synth on the planet. This is not what happens. When you send a program change from a sequencer to one of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often taken out of combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to save a combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want. This is an annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer. You may have a different methodology when creating music so it may not be a problem for you.

-- Iain

From: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DSI_ Evolver@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of prof_lofi
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23 PM
To: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

Hi Iain,

Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo mode was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without having one to mess around with.

Thanks,

Bill

--- In DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com, "Iain Bryden" wrote:
>
>; After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver Keyboard
> and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the Rack
> because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get other
> gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
>
>
>
> Before I sold the PER I used it for a project.
>
>
>
> Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are almost all
> Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
>
> http://obelus. com/music/ film.asp
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Iain
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com]
> On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
> To: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
>
>
>
>
>
> thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
> considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i never
> sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about trying to
> find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that use the
> genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be really
> interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to hear how
> much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but with
> a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in that
> respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump and
> found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding?
> money!
>
> bill
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
> , "Dale Kay" wrote:
> >
> > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts a lot
> >
> > I use a sub mixer for that.
> >
> > here is my normal route for feed back in
> > synth to sub mixer
> > sub mixer channel to patch panel
> > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> > output back to sub mixer
> > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple synths
> >
> > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many different
> ways
>; > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect it in
> > various ways which
> > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one synth
> but
> > several
> > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if in a
> chain)
> > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> > "think modular"
> >
> > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at the
>; links
> > below
> > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> >
> > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as well
> > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not toyed
> with
> > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> >
> > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want to
> toy with
>; > and filter out the rest
> > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... etc ...
> > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> >
> > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> >
> > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
>; >
> > dale
> >
> > Inquisitor Betrayer
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [Suspected Spam] RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-27 by Iain Bryden

> So you can have four patches on different MIDI channels with different
clock divide values and so on?

 

Yes.

 

Also, the editor software from Psicraft is a bit sketchy. I'd find that
patches would default to some blank state when I was editing them. This
contributed to making combo mode a really frustrating experience.

 

-- Iain

 

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From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of massimo
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 2:19 PM
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Suspected Spam] RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the
mono desktop evolver

Is that the only problem? That's actually not too bad.

Also sounds like something that could be sorted with an OS update. I
know DSI like to take their time with those though.

So you can have four patches on different MIDI channels with different
clock divide values and so on?

--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Iain Bryden <ibryden@...> wrote:

From: Iain Bryden <ibryden@...>
Subject: RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
evolver
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 27 July, 2009, 3:17 PM

Sure Bill.

The PER manual states that Poly Evolvers used in combo mode are like
having four Mono Evolvers. This implies that we can assign four parts to
their own midi channel then make independent program changes on each
channel, just like every other multitimbral synth on the planet. This is
not what happens. When you send a program change from a sequencer to one
of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often taken out of
combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to save a
combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want. This is an
annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer. You
may have a different methodology when creating music so it may not be a
problem for you.

-- Iain

________________________________

From: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DSI_ Evolver@yahoogro
ups.com] On Behalf Of prof_lofi
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23 PM
To: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

Hi Iain,

Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo mode
was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without
having one to mess around with.

Thanks,

Bill

--- In DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com, "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@... >
wrote:
>
> After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver
Keyboard
> and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the
Rack
> because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get
other
> gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
> 
> 
> 
> Before I sold the PER I used it for a project. 
> 
> 
> 
> Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are almost
all
> Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
> 
> http://obelus. com/music/ film.asp <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- Iain
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups.
com]
> On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
> To: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
> considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i
never
> sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about trying to
> find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that use
the
> genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be really
> interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to hear
how
> much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but
with
> a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in
that
> respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump and
> found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding? <sigh>
> money!
> 
> bill
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:DSI_ Evolver%40yahoog roups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@> wrote:
> >
> > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts a
lot
> > 
> > I use a sub mixer for that.
> > 
> > here is my normal route for feed back in
> > synth to sub mixer
> > sub mixer channel to patch panel
> > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> > output back to sub mixer
> > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple
synths
> > 
> > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many different
> ways
> > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect it
in
> > various ways which
> > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one
synth
> but
> > several
> > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if in a
> chain)
> > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> > "think modular"
> > 
> > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at the
> links
> > below
> > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> > 
> > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as well
> > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not
toyed
> with
> > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> > 
> > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want to
> toy with
> > and filter out the rest
> > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... etc
...
> > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> > 
> > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> > 
> > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> > 
> > dale
> > 
> > Inquisitor Betrayer
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-27 by Dale (Inquisitor Betrayer)

It can be a irritant sometimes when you are working with a few synths at
once.
(one works this way, the other does this, they all have their little sysex
and other odd things midi wise ...)

It does get into the way of making music, the tech that is. Add the quirks,
just sometimes it's a pain.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: massimo

Is that the only problem? That's actually not too bad.

Also sounds like something that could be sorted with an OS update. I know
DSI like to take their time with those though.

So you can have four patches on different MIDI channels with different clock
divide values and so on?



--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Iain Bryden <ibryden@...> wrote:


From: Iain Bryden <ibryden@...>

<snip> This is not what happens. When you send a program change from a
sequencer to one of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often
taken out of combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to
save a combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want. This is
an annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer. You may
have a different methodology when creating music so it may not be a problem
for you.
- Iain

[DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-28 by prof_lofi

Hi Iain,

Thanks, ok. So sounds like it's an issue if you're making live program changes (either manually or via a sequencer) in that it won't make independent changes without defaulting to 'start' again (ie bouncing out of combo mode)?  But if you pre-program the patch, it's fine...is that about right?

Confusing one there. And I think it could be fixed with an os update but as the rack polyevolver isn't supported anymore, I wonder if there ever would be an os update for it at this point?

Thanks again for everyone's response,

Bill


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@...> wrote:

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>
> Sure Bill.
> 
>  
> 
> The PER manual states that Poly Evolvers used in combo mode are like
> having four Mono Evolvers. This implies that we can assign four parts to
> their own midi channel then make independent program changes on each
> channel, just like every other multitimbral synth on the planet. This is
> not what happens. When you send a program change from a sequencer to one
> of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often taken out of
> combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to save a
> combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want. This is an
> annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer. You
> may have a different methodology when creating music so it may not be a
> problem for you.
> 
>  
> 
> -- Iain
> 
>  
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23 PM
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> Hi Iain,
> 
> Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo mode
> was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without
> having one to mess around with.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@>
> wrote:
> >
> > After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver
> Keyboard
> > and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the
> Rack
> > because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get
> other
> > gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Before I sold the PER I used it for a project. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are almost
> all
> > Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
> > 
> > http://obelus.com/music/film.asp <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > -- Iain
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
> > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> 
> > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
> > considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i
> never
> > sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about trying to
> > find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that use
> the
> > genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be really
> > interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to hear
> how
> > much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but
> with
> > a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in
> that
> > respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump and
> > found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding? <sigh>
> > money!
> > 
> > bill
> > 
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@> wrote:
> > >
> > > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts a
> lot
> > > 
> > > I use a sub mixer for that.
> > > 
> > > here is my normal route for feed back in
> > > synth to sub mixer
> > > sub mixer channel to patch panel
> > > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> > > output back to sub mixer
> > > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple
> synths
> > > 
> > > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many different
> > ways
> > > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect it
> in
> > > various ways which
> > > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one
> synth
> > but
> > > several
> > > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if in a
> > chain)
> > > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> > > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> > > "think modular"
> > > 
> > > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at the
> > links
> > > below
> > > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> > > 
> > > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> > > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as well
> > > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> > > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not
> toyed
> > with
> > > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> > > 
> > > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> > > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want to
> > toy with
> > > and filter out the rest
> > > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... etc
> ...
> > > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> > > 
> > > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> > > 
> > > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> > > 
> > > dale
> > > 
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Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-07-28 by prof_lofi

Hi Dale,

Just reread this...of course, this makes much more sense to use a second (sub) mixer to control the amount and to route fx inbetween...thanks for the suggestion...

Bill

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Kay" <dale@...> wrote:

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>
> sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts a lot
> 
> I use a sub mixer for that.
> 
> here is my normal route for feed back in
> synth to sub mixer
> sub mixer channel to patch panel
> patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> output back to sub mixer
> sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple synths
> 
> I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many different ways
> and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect it in
> various ways which
> I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one synth but
> several
> and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if in a chain)
> as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> "think modular"
> 
> my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at the links
> below
> never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> 
> sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as well
> patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not toyed with
> even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> 
> some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want to toy with
> and filter out the rest
> the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... etc ...
> filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> 
> PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> 
> latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> 
> dale
> 
> Inquisitor Betrayer
>

[DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-08-05 by prof_lofi

Hi Everyone,

I"m still considering a PER but this damn 'combo mode' thing is still confusing me in terms of how it will really impact using the PER.

I understand that if any patch changes are made via a sequencer that it pops it out of combo mode, right? and that combo mode is basically what allows the PER to function as 4 'unique' instances of a mono evolver, thus allowing multivoice etc? I also read that if you attempt to edit a program parameter of one voice while in combo mode it won't allow you to save it...thus, afaict, you really need to program each voice (each one of the inner four evolvers) of the PER individually before you stack them in Combo mode, is that right? and if you want to adjust something, you pop out of CM, adjust it, and then go back in to hear how the four sound together? Pain in the ass if so...I'd need to hear it adjusted in the context of the other four really....does any one else have a PER and have an comments about their experience...it's just hard to tell without having one to tweak for a couple of weeks...and they're a bit expensive to buy just to see, if you know what I mean. 

Another forum has many suggestions basically saying that as great as the evolver is, it's diminishing returns after the first voice. I love my MED, but I'm wondering if this is true, and if so, what others have supplemented their kit with beyond a MED etc.

Thanks!

Bill




--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "prof_lofi" <billthompson@...> wrote:

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>
> Hi Iain,
> 
> Thanks, ok. So sounds like it's an issue if you're making live program changes (either manually or via a sequencer) in that it won't make independent changes without defaulting to 'start' again (ie bouncing out of combo mode)?  But if you pre-program the patch, it's fine...is that about right?
> 
> Confusing one there. And I think it could be fixed with an os update but as the rack polyevolver isn't supported anymore, I wonder if there ever would be an os update for it at this point?
> 
> Thanks again for everyone's response,
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@> wrote:
> >
> > Sure Bill.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > The PER manual states that Poly Evolvers used in combo mode are like
> > having four Mono Evolvers. This implies that we can assign four parts to
> > their own midi channel then make independent program changes on each
> > channel, just like every other multitimbral synth on the planet. This is
> > not what happens. When you send a program change from a sequencer to one
> > of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often taken out of
> > combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to save a
> > combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want. This is an
> > annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer. You
> > may have a different methodology when creating music so it may not be a
> > problem for you.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -- Iain
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23 PM
> > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > Hi Iain,
> > 
> > Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo mode
> > was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without
> > having one to mess around with.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver
> > Keyboard
> > > and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the
> > Rack
> > > because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get
> > other
> > > gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Before I sold the PER I used it for a project. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are almost
> > all
> > > Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
> > > 
> > > http://obelus.com/music/film.asp <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > -- Iain
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > 
> > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > > On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> > > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
> > > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> > 
> > > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
> > > considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i
> > never
> > > sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about trying to
> > > find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that use
> > the
> > > genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be really
> > > interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to hear
> > how
> > > much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but
> > with
> > > a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in
> > that
> > > respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump and
> > > found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding? <sigh>
> > > money!
> > > 
> > > bill
> > > 
> > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts a
> > lot
> > > > 
> > > > I use a sub mixer for that.
> > > > 
> > > > here is my normal route for feed back in
> > > > synth to sub mixer
> > > > sub mixer channel to patch panel
> > > > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> > > > output back to sub mixer
> > > > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple
> > synths
> > > > 
> > > > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many different
> > > ways
> > > > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect it
> > in
> > > > various ways which
> > > > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one
> > synth
> > > but
> > > > several
> > > > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if in a
> > > chain)
> > > > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> > > > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> > > > "think modular"
> > > > 
> > > > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at the
> > > links
> > > > below
> > > > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> > > > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as well
> > > > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> > > > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not
> > toyed
> > > with
> > > > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> > > > 
> > > > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> > > > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want to
> > > toy with
> > > > and filter out the rest
> > > > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... etc
> > ...
> > > > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> > > > 
> > > > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> > > > 
> > > > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> > > > 
> > > > dale
> > > > 
> > > > Inquisitor Betrayer
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This electronic mail message contains information that (a) is or 
> > > may be CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY IN NATURE, OR OTHERWISE 
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RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-08-05 by Iain Bryden

It's been a while since I used my PER, so I may have some of the details
confused.
 
Let's say you set up a Combo Mode patch like this:
 
  Part    MIDI Ch Bank Program
  ------- ------- ---- -------
  Part 1: 1       1    50
  Part 2: 2       2    51
  Part 3: 3       1    52
  Part 4: 4       1    53
 
From a sequencer you can play the 4 individual parts by triggering midi
channels 1-4, just like any multitibral synth.

One would also expect that if you send a bank/program change along
channel 3 of bank 2/program 100, you would end up with this:

  Part    MIDI Ch Bank Program
  ------- ------- ---- -------
  Part 1: 1       1    50
  Part 2: 2       2    51
  Part 3: 3       3    100
  Part 4: 4       1    53

Not so. What you get is a PROGRAM change to bank 2/program 100, and you
are no longer in COMBO mode, but in PROGRAM mode. The only way to remain
in COMBO mode is to avoid sending any program changes from a sequencer.

Regarding the other question you asked... You CAN edit a single program
while in combo mode. However, in my experience the software that comes
with the PER was buggy at this. Sometimes all the programs in a combo
got reset to something not intended by me, like a default patch, or a
duplicate of another one of the combo patches, or some other weird
behavior, while I was editing a patch in a Combo. And without the
software, programming the thing is tedious. I don't know if this quirk
happens with the other DSI editor or if you try editing from the
faceplate.

________________________________

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From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of prof_lofi
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:00 PM
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver


  

Hi Everyone,

I"m still considering a PER but this damn 'combo mode' thing is still
confusing me in terms of how it will really impact using the PER.

I understand that if any patch changes are made via a sequencer that it
pops it out of combo mode, right? and that combo mode is basically what
allows the PER to function as 4 'unique' instances of a mono evolver,
thus allowing multivoice etc? I also read that if you attempt to edit a
program parameter of one voice while in combo mode it won't allow you to
save it...thus, afaict, you really need to program each voice (each one
of the inner four evolvers) of the PER individually before you stack
them in Combo mode, is that right? and if you want to adjust something,
you pop out of CM, adjust it, and then go back in to hear how the four
sound together? Pain in the ass if so...I'd need to hear it adjusted in
the context of the other four really....does any one else have a PER and
have an comments about their experience...it's just hard to tell without
having one to tweak for a couple of weeks...and they're a bit expensive
to buy just to see, if you know what I mean. 

Another forum has many suggestions basically saying that as great as the
evolver is, it's diminishing returns after the first voice. I love my
MED, but I'm wondering if this is true, and if so, what others have
supplemented their kit with beyond a MED etc.

Thanks!

Bill

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "prof_lofi" <billthompson@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Iain,
> 
> Thanks, ok. So sounds like it's an issue if you're making live program
changes (either manually or via a sequencer) in that it won't make
independent changes without defaulting to 'start' again (ie bouncing out
of combo mode)? But if you pre-program the patch, it's fine...is that
about right?
> 
> Confusing one there. And I think it could be fixed with an os update
but as the rack polyevolver isn't supported anymore, I wonder if there
ever would be an os update for it at this point?
> 
> Thanks again for everyone's response,
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@> wrote:
> >
> > Sure Bill.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The PER manual states that Poly Evolvers used in combo mode are like
> > having four Mono Evolvers. This implies that we can assign four
parts to
> > their own midi channel then make independent program changes on each
> > channel, just like every other multitimbral synth on the planet.
This is
> > not what happens. When you send a program change from a sequencer to
one
> > of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often taken out
of
> > combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to save a
> > combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want. This
is an
> > annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer.
You
> > may have a different methodology when creating music so it may not
be a
> > problem for you.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- Iain
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23 PM
> > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
evolver
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Iain,
> > 
> > Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo
mode
> > was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without
> > having one to mess around with.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver
> > Keyboard
> > > and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the
> > Rack
> > > because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get
> > other
> > > gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Before I sold the PER I used it for a project. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are
almost
> > all
> > > Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
> > > 
> > > http://obelus.com/music/film.asp
<http://obelus.com/music/film.asp>  <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp
<http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > -- Iain
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > 
> > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > > On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> > > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
> > > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> > 
> > > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
evolver
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
> > > considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i
> > never
> > > sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about
trying to
> > > find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that
use
> > the
> > > genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be
really
> > > interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to
hear
> > how
> > > much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but
> > with
> > > a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in
> > that
> > > respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump
and
> > > found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding?
<sigh>
> > > money!
> > > 
> > > bill
> > > 
> > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts
a
> > lot
> > > > 
> > > > I use a sub mixer for that.
> > > > 
> > > > here is my normal route for feed back in
> > > > synth to sub mixer
> > > > sub mixer channel to patch panel
> > > > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> > > > output back to sub mixer
> > > > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple
> > synths
> > > > 
> > > > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many
different
> > > ways
> > > > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect
it
> > in
> > > > various ways which
> > > > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one
> > synth
> > > but
> > > > several
> > > > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if
in a
> > > chain)
> > > > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> > > > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> > > > "think modular"
> > > > 
> > > > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at
the
> > > links
> > > > below
> > > > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> > > > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as
well
> > > > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> > > > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not
> > toyed
> > > with
> > > > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> > > > 
> > > > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> > > > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want
to
> > > toy with
> > > > and filter out the rest
> > > > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ...
etc
> > ...
> > > > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> > > > 
> > > > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> > > > 
> > > > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> > > > 
> > > > dale
> > > > 
> > > > Inquisitor Betrayer
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[DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-08-05 by prof_lofi

Hm, thanks Iain, were you using soundtower? that's what I use for the med.

Bill

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@...> wrote:

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>
> It's been a while since I used my PER, so I may have some of the details
> confused.
>  
> Let's say you set up a Combo Mode patch like this:
>  
>   Part    MIDI Ch Bank Program
>   ------- ------- ---- -------
>   Part 1: 1       1    50
>   Part 2: 2       2    51
>   Part 3: 3       1    52
>   Part 4: 4       1    53
>  
> From a sequencer you can play the 4 individual parts by triggering midi
> channels 1-4, just like any multitibral synth.
> 
> One would also expect that if you send a bank/program change along
> channel 3 of bank 2/program 100, you would end up with this:
> 
>   Part    MIDI Ch Bank Program
>   ------- ------- ---- -------
>   Part 1: 1       1    50
>   Part 2: 2       2    51
>   Part 3: 3       3    100
>   Part 4: 4       1    53
> 
> Not so. What you get is a PROGRAM change to bank 2/program 100, and you
> are no longer in COMBO mode, but in PROGRAM mode. The only way to remain
> in COMBO mode is to avoid sending any program changes from a sequencer.
> 
> Regarding the other question you asked... You CAN edit a single program
> while in combo mode. However, in my experience the software that comes
> with the PER was buggy at this. Sometimes all the programs in a combo
> got reset to something not intended by me, like a default patch, or a
> duplicate of another one of the combo patches, or some other weird
> behavior, while I was editing a patch in a Combo. And without the
> software, programming the thing is tedious. I don't know if this quirk
> happens with the other DSI editor or if you try editing from the
> faceplate.
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:00 PM
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I"m still considering a PER but this damn 'combo mode' thing is still
> confusing me in terms of how it will really impact using the PER.
> 
> I understand that if any patch changes are made via a sequencer that it
> pops it out of combo mode, right? and that combo mode is basically what
> allows the PER to function as 4 'unique' instances of a mono evolver,
> thus allowing multivoice etc? I also read that if you attempt to edit a
> program parameter of one voice while in combo mode it won't allow you to
> save it...thus, afaict, you really need to program each voice (each one
> of the inner four evolvers) of the PER individually before you stack
> them in Combo mode, is that right? and if you want to adjust something,
> you pop out of CM, adjust it, and then go back in to hear how the four
> sound together? Pain in the ass if so...I'd need to hear it adjusted in
> the context of the other four really....does any one else have a PER and
> have an comments about their experience...it's just hard to tell without
> having one to tweak for a couple of weeks...and they're a bit expensive
> to buy just to see, if you know what I mean. 
> 
> Another forum has many suggestions basically saying that as great as the
> evolver is, it's diminishing returns after the first voice. I love my
> MED, but I'm wondering if this is true, and if so, what others have
> supplemented their kit with beyond a MED etc.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Bill
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "prof_lofi" <billthompson@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Iain,
> > 
> > Thanks, ok. So sounds like it's an issue if you're making live program
> changes (either manually or via a sequencer) in that it won't make
> independent changes without defaulting to 'start' again (ie bouncing out
> of combo mode)? But if you pre-program the patch, it's fine...is that
> about right?
> > 
> > Confusing one there. And I think it could be fixed with an os update
> but as the rack polyevolver isn't supported anymore, I wonder if there
> ever would be an os update for it at this point?
> > 
> > Thanks again for everyone's response,
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure Bill.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The PER manual states that Poly Evolvers used in combo mode are like
> > > having four Mono Evolvers. This implies that we can assign four
> parts to
> > > their own midi channel then make independent program changes on each
> > > channel, just like every other multitimbral synth on the planet.
> This is
> > > not what happens. When you send a program change from a sequencer to
> one
> > > of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often taken out
> of
> > > combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to save a
> > > combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want. This
> is an
> > > annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer.
> You
> > > may have a different methodology when creating music so it may not
> be a
> > > problem for you.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- Iain
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > 
> > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > > On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> > > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23 PM
> > > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
> evolver
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Iain,
> > > 
> > > Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo
> mode
> > > was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without
> > > having one to mess around with.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Bill
> > > 
> > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver
> > > Keyboard
> > > > and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the
> > > Rack
> > > > because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get
> > > other
> > > > gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Before I sold the PER I used it for a project. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are
> almost
> > > all
> > > > Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
> > > > 
> > > > http://obelus.com/music/film.asp
> <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp>  <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp
> <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > -- Iain
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > 
> > > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > > > On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
> > > > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > 
> > > > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
> evolver
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
> > > > considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i
> > > never
> > > > sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about
> trying to
> > > > find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that
> use
> > > the
> > > > genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be
> really
> > > > interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to
> hear
> > > how
> > > > much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but
> > > with
> > > > a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in
> > > that
> > > > respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump
> and
> > > > found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding?
> <sigh>
> > > > money!
> > > > 
> > > > bill
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts
> a
> > > lot
> > > > > 
> > > > > I use a sub mixer for that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > here is my normal route for feed back in
> > > > > synth to sub mixer
> > > > > sub mixer channel to patch panel
> > > > > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> > > > > output back to sub mixer
> > > > > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple
> > > synths
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many
> different
> > > > ways
> > > > > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect
> it
> > > in
> > > > > various ways which
> > > > > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one
> > > synth
> > > > but
> > > > > several
> > > > > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if
> in a
> > > > chain)
> > > > > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> > > > > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> > > > > "think modular"
> > > > > 
> > > > > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at
> the
> > > > links
> > > > > below
> > > > > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> > > > > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as
> well
> > > > > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> > > > > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not
> > > toyed
> > > > with
> > > > > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> > > > > 
> > > > > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> > > > > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want
> to
> > > > toy with
> > > > > and filter out the rest
> > > > > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ...
> etc
> > > ...
> > > > > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> > > > > 
> > > > > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> > > > > 
> > > > > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> > > > > 
> > > > > dale
> > > > > 
> > > > > Inquisitor Betrayer
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RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-08-05 by Iain Bryden

SoundTower, yes. That's what I used.
 
-- Iain

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From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@...m]
On Behalf Of prof_lofi
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:37 PM
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver


  

Hm, thanks Iain, were you using soundtower? that's what I use for the
med.

Bill

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@...>
wrote:
>
> It's been a while since I used my PER, so I may have some of the
details
> confused.
> 
> Let's say you set up a Combo Mode patch like this:
> 
> Part MIDI Ch Bank Program
> ------- ------- ---- -------
> Part 1: 1 1 50
> Part 2: 2 2 51
> Part 3: 3 1 52
> Part 4: 4 1 53
> 
> From a sequencer you can play the 4 individual parts by triggering
midi
> channels 1-4, just like any multitibral synth.
> 
> One would also expect that if you send a bank/program change along
> channel 3 of bank 2/program 100, you would end up with this:
> 
> Part MIDI Ch Bank Program
> ------- ------- ---- -------
> Part 1: 1 1 50
> Part 2: 2 2 51
> Part 3: 3 3 100
> Part 4: 4 1 53
> 
> Not so. What you get is a PROGRAM change to bank 2/program 100, and
you
> are no longer in COMBO mode, but in PROGRAM mode. The only way to
remain
> in COMBO mode is to avoid sending any program changes from a
sequencer.
> 
> Regarding the other question you asked... You CAN edit a single
program
> while in combo mode. However, in my experience the software that comes
> with the PER was buggy at this. Sometimes all the programs in a combo
> got reset to something not intended by me, like a default patch, or a
> duplicate of another one of the combo patches, or some other weird
> behavior, while I was editing a patch in a Combo. And without the
> software, programming the thing is tedious. I don't know if this quirk
> happens with the other DSI editor or if you try editing from the
> faceplate.
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:00 PM
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I"m still considering a PER but this damn 'combo mode' thing is still
> confusing me in terms of how it will really impact using the PER.
> 
> I understand that if any patch changes are made via a sequencer that
it
> pops it out of combo mode, right? and that combo mode is basically
what
> allows the PER to function as 4 'unique' instances of a mono evolver,
> thus allowing multivoice etc? I also read that if you attempt to edit
a
> program parameter of one voice while in combo mode it won't allow you
to
> save it...thus, afaict, you really need to program each voice (each
one
> of the inner four evolvers) of the PER individually before you stack
> them in Combo mode, is that right? and if you want to adjust
something,
> you pop out of CM, adjust it, and then go back in to hear how the four
> sound together? Pain in the ass if so...I'd need to hear it adjusted
in
> the context of the other four really....does any one else have a PER
and
> have an comments about their experience...it's just hard to tell
without
> having one to tweak for a couple of weeks...and they're a bit
expensive
> to buy just to see, if you know what I mean. 
> 
> Another forum has many suggestions basically saying that as great as
the
> evolver is, it's diminishing returns after the first voice. I love my
> MED, but I'm wondering if this is true, and if so, what others have
> supplemented their kit with beyond a MED etc.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Bill
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "prof_lofi" <billthompson@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Iain,
> > 
> > Thanks, ok. So sounds like it's an issue if you're making live
program
> changes (either manually or via a sequencer) in that it won't make
> independent changes without defaulting to 'start' again (ie bouncing
out
> of combo mode)? But if you pre-program the patch, it's fine...is that
> about right?
> > 
> > Confusing one there. And I think it could be fixed with an os update
> but as the rack polyevolver isn't supported anymore, I wonder if there
> ever would be an os update for it at this point?
> > 
> > Thanks again for everyone's response,
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure Bill.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The PER manual states that Poly Evolvers used in combo mode are
like
> > > having four Mono Evolvers. This implies that we can assign four
> parts to
> > > their own midi channel then make independent program changes on
each
> > > channel, just like every other multitimbral synth on the planet.
> This is
> > > not what happens. When you send a program change from a sequencer
to
> one
> > > of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often taken
out
> of
> > > combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to save
a
> > > combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want. This
> is an
> > > annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer.
> You
> > > may have a different methodology when creating music so it may not
> be a
> > > problem for you.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- Iain
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > 
> > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> > > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
> evolver
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Iain,
> > > 
> > > Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo
> mode
> > > was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without
> > > having one to mess around with.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Bill
> > > 
> > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver
> > > Keyboard
> > > > and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold
the
> > > Rack
> > > > because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to
get
> > > other
> > > > gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Before I sold the PER I used it for a project. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are
> almost
> > > all
> > > > Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
> > > > 
> > > > http://obelus.com/music/film.asp
<http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> 
> <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> >
<http://obelus.com/music/film.asp <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> 
> <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> >
> 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > -- Iain
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > 
> > > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> > > > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> > > 
> > > > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
> evolver
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
> > > > considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but
i
> > > never
> > > > sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about
> trying to
> > > > find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that
> use
> > > the
> > > > genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be
> really
> > > > interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to
> hear
> > > how
> > > > much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental,
but
> > > with
> > > > a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting
in
> > > that
> > > > respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the
jump
> and
> > > > found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding?
> <sigh>
> > > > money!
> > > > 
> > > > bill
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my
posts
> a
> > > lot
> > > > > 
> > > > > I use a sub mixer for that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > here is my normal route for feed back in
> > > > > synth to sub mixer
> > > > > sub mixer channel to patch panel
> > > > > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> > > > > output back to sub mixer
> > > > > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple
> > > synths
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many
> different
> > > > ways
> > > > > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might
effect
> it
> > > in
> > > > > various ways which
> > > > > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with
one
> > > synth
> > > > but
> > > > > several
> > > > > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two
if
> in a
> > > > chain)
> > > > > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> > > > > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
> > > > > "think modular"
> > > > > 
> > > > > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at
> the
> > > > links
> > > > > below
> > > > > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> > > > > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as
> well
> > > > > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> > > > > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is
not
> > > toyed
> > > > with
> > > > > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> > > > > 
> > > > > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
> > > > > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you
want
> to
> > > > toy with
> > > > > and filter out the rest
> > > > > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ...
> etc
> > > ...
> > > > > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> > > > > 
> > > > > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> > > > > 
> > > > > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> > > > > 
> > > > > dale
> > > > > 
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RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-08-05 by evening@soundgate.org

Did DSI ever respond to this bug report?

I haven't even tried sending individual prog changes while in combo  
mode, but I think that should be addressed.



Quoting Iain Bryden <ibryden@...>:

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> It's been a while since I used my PER, so I may have some of the details
> confused.
>
> Let's say you set up a Combo Mode patch like this:
>
>   Part    MIDI Ch Bank Program
>   ------- ------- ---- -------
>   Part 1: 1       1    50
>   Part 2: 2       2    51
>   Part 3: 3       1    52
>   Part 4: 4       1    53
>
> From a sequencer you can play the 4 individual parts by triggering midi
> channels 1-4, just like any multitibral synth.
>
> One would also expect that if you send a bank/program change along
> channel 3 of bank 2/program 100, you would end up with this:
>
>   Part    MIDI Ch Bank Program
>   ------- ------- ---- -------
>   Part 1: 1       1    50
>   Part 2: 2       2    51
>   Part 3: 3       3    100
>   Part 4: 4       1    53
>
> Not so. What you get is a PROGRAM change to bank 2/program 100, and you
> are no longer in COMBO mode, but in PROGRAM mode. The only way to remain
> in COMBO mode is to avoid sending any program changes from a sequencer.
>
> Regarding the other question you asked... You CAN edit a single program
> while in combo mode. However, in my experience the software that comes
> with the PER was buggy at this. Sometimes all the programs in a combo
> got reset to something not intended by me, like a default patch, or a
> duplicate of another one of the combo patches, or some other weird
> behavior, while I was editing a patch in a Combo. And without the
> software, programming the thing is tedious. I don't know if this quirk
> happens with the other DSI editor or if you try editing from the
> faceplate.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:00 PM
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
>
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I"m still considering a PER but this damn 'combo mode' thing is still
> confusing me in terms of how it will really impact using the PER.
>
> I understand that if any patch changes are made via a sequencer that it
> pops it out of combo mode, right? and that combo mode is basically what
> allows the PER to function as 4 'unique' instances of a mono evolver,
> thus allowing multivoice etc? I also read that if you attempt to edit a
> program parameter of one voice while in combo mode it won't allow you to
> save it...thus, afaict, you really need to program each voice (each one
> of the inner four evolvers) of the PER individually before you stack
> them in Combo mode, is that right? and if you want to adjust something,
> you pop out of CM, adjust it, and then go back in to hear how the four
> sound together? Pain in the ass if so...I'd need to hear it adjusted in
> the context of the other four really....does any one else have a PER and
> have an comments about their experience...it's just hard to tell without
> having one to tweak for a couple of weeks...and they're a bit expensive
> to buy just to see, if you know what I mean.
>
> Another forum has many suggestions basically saying that as great as the
> evolver is, it's diminishing returns after the first voice. I love my
> MED, but I'm wondering if this is true, and if so, what others have
> supplemented their kit with beyond a MED etc.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bill
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "prof_lofi" <billthompson@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Iain,
>>
>> Thanks, ok. So sounds like it's an issue if you're making live program
> changes (either manually or via a sequencer) in that it won't make
> independent changes without defaulting to 'start' again (ie bouncing out
> of combo mode)? But if you pre-program the patch, it's fine...is that
> about right?
>>
>> Confusing one there. And I think it could be fixed with an os update
> but as the rack polyevolver isn't supported anymore, I wonder if there
> ever would be an os update for it at this point?
>>
>> Thanks again for everyone's response,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Sure Bill.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The PER manual states that Poly Evolvers used in combo mode are like
>> > having four Mono Evolvers. This implies that we can assign four
> parts to
>> > their own midi channel then make independent program changes on each
>> > channel, just like every other multitimbral synth on the planet.
> This is
>> > not what happens. When you send a program change from a sequencer to
> one
>> > of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often taken out
> of
>> > combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to save a
>> > combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want. This
> is an
>> > annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer.
> You
>> > may have a different methodology when creating music so it may not
> be a
>> > problem for you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -- Iain
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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>> > On Behalf Of prof_lofi
>> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23 PM
>> > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
> evolver
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Iain,
>> >
>> > Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo
> mode
>> > was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without
>> > having one to mess around with.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver
>> > Keyboard
>> > > and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the
>> > Rack
>> > > because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get
>> > other
>> > > gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Before I sold the PER I used it for a project.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are
> almost
>> > all
>> > > Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
>> > >
>> > > http://obelus.com/music/film.asp
> <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp>  <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp
> <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > -- Iain
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > >
>> > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
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>> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
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>> > > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
>> > > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>> >
>> > > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
> evolver
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
>> > > considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i
>> > never
>> > > sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about
> trying to
>> > > find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that
> use
>> > the
>> > > genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be
> really
>> > > interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to
> hear
>> > how
>> > > much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but
>> > with
>> > > a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in
>> > that
>> > > respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump
> and
>> > > found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding?
> <sigh>
>> > > money!
>> > >
>> > > bill
>> > >
>> > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts
> a
>> > lot
>> > > >
>> > > > I use a sub mixer for that.
>> > > >
>> > > > here is my normal route for feed back in
>> > > > synth to sub mixer
>> > > > sub mixer channel to patch panel
>> > > > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
>> > > > output back to sub mixer
>> > > > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple
>> > synths
>> > > >
>> > > > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many
> different
>> > > ways
>> > > > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect
> it
>> > in
>> > > > various ways which
>> > > > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one
>> > synth
>> > > but
>> > > > several
>> > > > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if
> in a
>> > > chain)
>> > > > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
>> > > > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
>> > > > "think modular"
>> > > >
>> > > > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at
> the
>> > > links
>> > > > below
>> > > > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
>> > > >
>> > > > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
>> > > > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as
> well
>> > > > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
>> > > > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not
>> > toyed
>> > > with
>> > > > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
>> > > >
>> > > > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
>> > > > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want
> to
>> > > toy with
>> > > > and filter out the rest
>> > > > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ...
> etc
>> > ...
>> > > > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
>> > > >
>> > > > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
>> > > >
>> > > > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
>> > > >
>> > > > dale
>> > > >
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RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-08-05 by Iain Bryden

I sent a note about this directly to DSI. Never heard anything back. And
they did respond to other things I asked, which makes believe that they
got the message, know about the problem but are unwilling or unable to
fix it. I also believe others have sent them complaints about it. Maybe
it's hardwired in such a way that it can't be fixed?

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From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of evening@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:20 PM
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
evolver


  



Did DSI ever respond to this bug report?

I haven't even tried sending individual prog changes while in combo 
mode, but I think that should be addressed.

Quoting Iain Bryden <ibryden@book.com <mailto:ibryden%40book.com> >:

> It's been a while since I used my PER, so I may have some of the
details
> confused.
>
> Let's say you set up a Combo Mode patch like this:
>
> Part MIDI Ch Bank Program
> ------- ------- ---- -------
> Part 1: 1 1 50
> Part 2: 2 2 51
> Part 3: 3 1 52
> Part 4: 4 1 53
>
> From a sequencer you can play the 4 individual parts by triggering
midi
> channels 1-4, just like any multitibral synth.
>
> One would also expect that if you send a bank/program change along
> channel 3 of bank 2/program 100, you would end up with this:
>
> Part MIDI Ch Bank Program
> ------- ------- ---- -------
> Part 1: 1 1 50
> Part 2: 2 2 51
> Part 3: 3 3 100
> Part 4: 4 1 53
>
> Not so. What you get is a PROGRAM change to bank 2/program 100, and
you
> are no longer in COMBO mode, but in PROGRAM mode. The only way to
remain
> in COMBO mode is to avoid sending any program changes from a
sequencer.
>
> Regarding the other question you asked... You CAN edit a single
program
> while in combo mode. However, in my experience the software that comes
> with the PER was buggy at this. Sometimes all the programs in a combo
> got reset to something not intended by me, like a default patch, or a
> duplicate of another one of the combo patches, or some other weird
> behavior, while I was editing a patch in a Combo. And without the
> software, programming the thing is tedious. I don't know if this quirk
> happens with the other DSI editor or if you try editing from the
> faceplate.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:00 PM
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
>
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I"m still considering a PER but this damn 'combo mode' thing is still
> confusing me in terms of how it will really impact using the PER.
>
> I understand that if any patch changes are made via a sequencer that
it
> pops it out of combo mode, right? and that combo mode is basically
what
> allows the PER to function as 4 'unique' instances of a mono evolver,
> thus allowing multivoice etc? I also read that if you attempt to edit
a
> program parameter of one voice while in combo mode it won't allow you
to
> save it...thus, afaict, you really need to program each voice (each
one
> of the inner four evolvers) of the PER individually before you stack
> them in Combo mode, is that right? and if you want to adjust
something,
> you pop out of CM, adjust it, and then go back in to hear how the four
> sound together? Pain in the ass if so...I'd need to hear it adjusted
in
> the context of the other four really....does any one else have a PER
and
> have an comments about their experience...it's just hard to tell
without
> having one to tweak for a couple of weeks...and they're a bit
expensive
> to buy just to see, if you know what I mean.
>
> Another forum has many suggestions basically saying that as great as
the
> evolver is, it's diminishing returns after the first voice. I love my
> MED, but I'm wondering if this is true, and if so, what others have
> supplemented their kit with beyond a MED etc.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bill
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "prof_lofi"
<billthompson@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Iain,
>>
>> Thanks, ok. So sounds like it's an issue if you're making live
program
> changes (either manually or via a sequencer) in that it won't make
> independent changes without defaulting to 'start' again (ie bouncing
out
> of combo mode)? But if you pre-program the patch, it's fine...is that
> about right?
>>
>> Confusing one there. And I think it could be fixed with an os update
> but as the rack polyevolver isn't supported anymore, I wonder if there
> ever would be an os update for it at this point?
>>
>> Thanks again for everyone's response,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@>
wrote:
>> >
>> > Sure Bill.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The PER manual states that Poly Evolvers used in combo mode are
like
>> > having four Mono Evolvers. This implies that we can assign four
> parts to
>> > their own midi channel then make independent program changes on
each
>> > channel, just like every other multitimbral synth on the planet.
> This is
>> > not what happens. When you send a program change from a sequencer
to
> one
>> > of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often taken out
> of
>> > combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to save a
>> > combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want. This
> is an
>> > annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer.
> You
>> > may have a different methodology when creating music so it may not
> be a
>> > problem for you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -- Iain
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
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> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
>> > On Behalf Of prof_lofi
>> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23 PM
>> > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
> evolver
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Iain,
>> >
>> > Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo
> mode
>> > was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without
>> > having one to mess around with.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver
>> > Keyboard
>> > > and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold
the
>> > Rack
>> > > because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to
get
>> > other
>> > > gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Before I sold the PER I used it for a project.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are
> almost
>> > all
>> > > Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
>> > >
>> > > http://obelus.com/music/film.asp
<http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> 
> <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> >
<http://obelus.com/music/film.asp <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> 
> <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> >
>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > -- Iain
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > >
>> > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
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>> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
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>> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
>> > > On Behalf Of prof_lofi
>> > > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
>> > > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>> >
>> > > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
> evolver
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
>> > > considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but
i
>> > never
>> > > sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about
> trying to
>> > > find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that
> use
>> > the
>> > > genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be
> really
>> > > interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to
> hear
>> > how
>> > > much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental,
but
>> > with
>> > > a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting
in
>> > that
>> > > respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the
jump
> and
>> > > found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding?
> <sigh>
>> > > money!
>> > >
>> > > bill
>> > >
>> > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> 
> <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@>
wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my
posts
> a
>> > lot
>> > > >
>> > > > I use a sub mixer for that.
>> > > >
>> > > > here is my normal route for feed back in
>> > > > synth to sub mixer
>> > > > sub mixer channel to patch panel
>> > > > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
>> > > > output back to sub mixer
>> > > > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple
>> > synths
>> > > >
>> > > > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many
> different
>> > > ways
>> > > > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect
> it
>> > in
>> > > > various ways which
>> > > > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with
one
>> > synth
>> > > but
>> > > > several
>> > > > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if
> in a
>> > > chain)
>> > > > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
>> > > > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage
>> > > > "think modular"
>> > > >
>> > > > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at
> the
>> > > links
>> > > > below
>> > > > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
>> > > >
>> > > > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
>> > > > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as
> well
>> > > > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
>> > > > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is
not
>> > toyed
>> > > with
>> > > > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
>> > > >
>> > > > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq
>> > > > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you
want
> to
>> > > toy with
>> > > > and filter out the rest
>> > > > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ...
> etc
>> > ...
>> > > > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
>> > > >
>> > > > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
>> > > >
>> > > > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
>> > > >
>> > > > dale
>> > > >
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TETR4!

2009-08-05 by massimo

http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/products/tetra/

Oh yes!

I think the chap considering a PER might want to have look at this too.

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Re: TETR4!

2009-08-05 by prof_lofi

That does look cool! I saw a sneak photo of it but didn't think it'd come out this soon...this might actually be better than a per, only because I own the med already...wonder what it'll cost...


Bill

ps...oh...website says $799...that's not bad at all really.


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> http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/products/tetra/
> 
> Oh yes!
> 
> I think the chap considering a PER might want to have look at this too.
>

Re: TETR4!

2009-08-05 by prof_lofi

Ah you know though, the only thing is it can't route the input of one voice into another for processing...hm.



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> That does look cool! I saw a sneak photo of it but didn't think it'd come out this soon...this might actually be better than a per, only because I own the med already...wonder what it'll cost...
> 
> 
> Bill
> 
> ps...oh...website says $799...that's not bad at all really.
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, massimo <massenmedium@> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/products/tetra/
> > 
> > Oh yes!
> > 
> > I think the chap considering a PER might want to have look at this too.
> >
>

Re: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver

2009-08-06 by John Wieczorek

Yeah - We know DSI is a small company, I guess that there's not enough  
manpower to create new gear *and*  fix  the existing software bugs.

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On Aug 5, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Iain Bryden wrote:

>
> I sent a note about this directly to DSI. Never heard anything back.  
> And they did respond to other things I asked, which makes believe  
> that they got the message, know about the problem but are unwilling  
> or unable to fix it. I also believe others have sent them complaints  
> about it. Maybe it's hardwired in such a way that it can't be fixed?
>
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com  
> [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Ofevening@...
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:20 PM
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop  
> evolver
>
>
>
>
> Did DSI ever respond to this bug report?
>
> I haven't even tried sending individual prog changes while in combo
> mode, but I think that should be addressed.
>
> Quoting Iain Bryden <ibryden@...>:
>
> > It's been a while since I used my PER, so I may have some of the  
> details
> > confused.
> >
> > Let's say you set up a Combo Mode patch like this:
> >
> > Part MIDI Ch Bank Program
> > ------- ------- ---- -------
> > Part 1: 1 1 50
> > Part 2: 2 2 51
> > Part 3: 3 1 52
> > Part 4: 4 1 53
> >
> > From a sequencer you can play the 4 individual parts by triggering  
> midi
> > channels 1-4, just like any multitibral synth.
> >
> > One would also expect that if you send a bank/program change along
> > channel 3 of bank 2/program 100, you would end up with this:
> >
> > Part MIDI Ch Bank Program
> > ------- ------- ---- -------
> > Part 1: 1 1 50
> > Part 2: 2 2 51
> > Part 3: 3 3 100
> > Part 4: 4 1 53
> >
> > Not so. What you get is a PROGRAM change to bank 2/program 100,  
> and you
> > are no longer in COMBO mode, but in PROGRAM mode. The only way to  
> remain
> > in COMBO mode is to avoid sending any program changes from a  
> sequencer.
> >
> > Regarding the other question you asked... You CAN edit a single  
> program
> > while in combo mode. However, in my experience the software that  
> comes
> > with the PER was buggy at this. Sometimes all the programs in a  
> combo
> > got reset to something not intended by me, like a default patch,  
> or a
> > duplicate of another one of the combo patches, or some other weird
> > behavior, while I was editing a patch in a Combo. And without the
> > software, programming the thing is tedious. I don't know if this  
> quirk
> > happens with the other DSI editor or if you try editing from the
> > faceplate.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
> ]
> > On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:00 PM
> > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop  
> evolver
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I"m still considering a PER but this damn 'combo mode' thing is  
> still
> > confusing me in terms of how it will really impact using the PER.
> >
> > I understand that if any patch changes are made via a sequencer  
> that it
> > pops it out of combo mode, right? and that combo mode is basically  
> what
> > allows the PER to function as 4 'unique' instances of a mono  
> evolver,
> > thus allowing multivoice etc? I also read that if you attempt to  
> edit a
> > program parameter of one voice while in combo mode it won't allow  
> you to
> > save it...thus, afaict, you really need to program each voice  
> (each one
> > of the inner four evolvers) of the PER individually before you stack
> > them in Combo mode, is that right? and if you want to adjust  
> something,
> > you pop out of CM, adjust it, and then go back in to hear how the  
> four
> > sound together? Pain in the ass if so...I'd need to hear it  
> adjusted in
> > the context of the other four really....does any one else have a  
> PER and
> > have an comments about their experience...it's just hard to tell  
> without
> > having one to tweak for a couple of weeks...and they're a bit  
> expensive
> > to buy just to see, if you know what I mean.
> >
> > Another forum has many suggestions basically saying that as great  
> as the
> > evolver is, it's diminishing returns after the first voice. I love  
> my
> > MED, but I'm wondering if this is true, and if so, what others have
> > supplemented their kit with beyond a MED etc.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "prof_lofi"  
> <billthompson@...>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Iain,
> >>
> >> Thanks, ok. So sounds like it's an issue if you're making live  
> program
> > changes (either manually or via a sequencer) in that it won't make
> > independent changes without defaulting to 'start' again (ie  
> bouncing out
> > of combo mode)? But if you pre-program the patch, it's fine...is  
> that
> > about right?
> >>
> >> Confusing one there. And I think it could be fixed with an os  
> update
> > but as the rack polyevolver isn't supported anymore, I wonder if  
> there
> > ever would be an os update for it at this point?
> >>
> >> Thanks again for everyone's response,
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@>  
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Sure Bill.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The PER manual states that Poly Evolvers used in combo mode are  
> like
> >> > having four Mono Evolvers. This implies that we can assign four
> > parts to
> >> > their own midi channel then make independent program changes on  
> each
> >> > channel, just like every other multitimbral synth on the planet.
> > This is
> >> > not what happens. When you send a program change from a  
> sequencer to
> > one
> >> > of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often taken  
> out
> > of
> >> > combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to  
> save a
> >> > combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want.  
> This
> > is an
> >> > annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer.
> > You
> >> > may have a different methodology when creating music so it may  
> not
> > be a
> >> > problem for you.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -- Iain
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> >
> >> > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> >> > On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> >> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23 PM
> >> > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
> > evolver
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi Iain,
> >> >
> >> > Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how  
> combo
> > mode
> >> > was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell  
> without
> >> > having one to mess around with.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Bill
> >> >
> >> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver
> >> > Keyboard
> >> > > and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I  
> sold the
> >> > Rack
> >> > > because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided  
> to get
> >> > other
> >> > > gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Before I sold the PER I used it for a project.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are
> > almost
> >> > all
> >> > > Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX.
> >> > >
> >> > > http://obelus.com/music/film.asp
> > <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp
> > <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > -- Iain
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________
> >> > >
> >> > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> > [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> >> > > On Behalf Of prof_lofi
> >> > > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM
> >> > > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> >
> >> > > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop
> > evolver
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and
> >> > > considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons  
> but i
> >> > never
> >> > > sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about
> > trying to
> >> > > find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that
> > use
> >> > the
> >> > > genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be
> > really
> >> > > interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to
> > hear
> >> > how
> >> > > much more complicated they might be...my work is  
> experimental, but
> >> > with
> >> > > a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is  
> interesting in
> >> > that
> >> > > respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the  
> jump
> > and
> >> > > found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding?
> > <sigh>
> >> > > money!
> >> > >
> >> > > bill
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@>  
> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my  
> posts
> > a
> >> > lot
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I use a sub mixer for that.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > here is my normal route for feed back in
> >> > > > synth to sub mixer
> >> > > > sub mixer channel to patch panel
> >> > > > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on
> >> > > > output back to sub mixer
> >> > > > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to  
> multiple
> >> > synths
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many
> > different
> >> > > ways
> >> > > > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might  
> effect
> > it
> >> > in
> >> > > > various ways which
> >> > > > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work  
> with one
> >> > synth
> >> > > but
> >> > > > several
> >> > > > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect  
> two if
> > in a
> >> > > chain)
> >> > > > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix
> >> > > > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each  
> stage
> >> > > > "think modular"
> >> > > >
> >> > > > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear  
> at
> > the
> >> > > links
> >> > > > below
> >> > > > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those
> >> > > > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around  
> as
> > well
> >> > > > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each
> >> > > > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada  
> is not
> >> > toyed
> >> > > with
> >> > > > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band  
> eq
> >> > > > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you  
> want
> > to
> >> > > toy with
> >> > > > and filter out the rest
> >> > > > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ...
> > etc
> >> > ...
> >> > > > filter queen, killer eq (electrix)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > PEK here and the SE P'08 ...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them
> >> > > >
> >> > > > dale
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Inquisitor Betrayer
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Re: [DSI Synths] TETR4!

2009-08-06 by John Wieczorek

Looks sweet!   and the price is nice too.

The PER is still a valid choice though (if you can find one).
It does have additional features - the delay & wavetable oscillators  
come to mind.

jmw

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On Aug 5, 2009, at 6:19 PM, massimo wrote:

>
> http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/products/tetra/
>
> Oh yes!
>
> I think the chap considering a PER might want to have look at this  
> too.
>
>
>

TETR4!

2009-08-06 by massimo

I hear there's a two voice version coming as well.

The Dual Analogue Voice Expander.

Or DAVE for short.

Arf. ;)

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