Did DSI ever respond to this bug report? I haven't even tried sending individual prog changes while in combo mode, but I think that should be addressed. Quoting Iain Bryden <ibryden@...>: > It's been a while since I used my PER, so I may have some of the details > confused. > > Let's say you set up a Combo Mode patch like this: > > Part MIDI Ch Bank Program > ------- ------- ---- ------- > Part 1: 1 1 50 > Part 2: 2 2 51 > Part 3: 3 1 52 > Part 4: 4 1 53 > > From a sequencer you can play the 4 individual parts by triggering midi > channels 1-4, just like any multitibral synth. > > One would also expect that if you send a bank/program change along > channel 3 of bank 2/program 100, you would end up with this: > > Part MIDI Ch Bank Program > ------- ------- ---- ------- > Part 1: 1 1 50 > Part 2: 2 2 51 > Part 3: 3 3 100 > Part 4: 4 1 53 > > Not so. What you get is a PROGRAM change to bank 2/program 100, and you > are no longer in COMBO mode, but in PROGRAM mode. The only way to remain > in COMBO mode is to avoid sending any program changes from a sequencer. > > Regarding the other question you asked... You CAN edit a single program > while in combo mode. However, in my experience the software that comes > with the PER was buggy at this. Sometimes all the programs in a combo > got reset to something not intended by me, like a default patch, or a > duplicate of another one of the combo patches, or some other weird > behavior, while I was editing a patch in a Combo. And without the > software, programming the thing is tedious. I don't know if this quirk > happens with the other DSI editor or if you try editing from the > faceplate. > > ________________________________ > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of prof_lofi > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:00 PM > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > I"m still considering a PER but this damn 'combo mode' thing is still > confusing me in terms of how it will really impact using the PER. > > I understand that if any patch changes are made via a sequencer that it > pops it out of combo mode, right? and that combo mode is basically what > allows the PER to function as 4 'unique' instances of a mono evolver, > thus allowing multivoice etc? I also read that if you attempt to edit a > program parameter of one voice while in combo mode it won't allow you to > save it...thus, afaict, you really need to program each voice (each one > of the inner four evolvers) of the PER individually before you stack > them in Combo mode, is that right? and if you want to adjust something, > you pop out of CM, adjust it, and then go back in to hear how the four > sound together? Pain in the ass if so...I'd need to hear it adjusted in > the context of the other four really....does any one else have a PER and > have an comments about their experience...it's just hard to tell without > having one to tweak for a couple of weeks...and they're a bit expensive > to buy just to see, if you know what I mean. > > Another forum has many suggestions basically saying that as great as the > evolver is, it's diminishing returns after the first voice. I love my > MED, but I'm wondering if this is true, and if so, what others have > supplemented their kit with beyond a MED etc. > > Thanks! > > Bill > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "prof_lofi" <billthompson@...> > wrote: >> >> Hi Iain, >> >> Thanks, ok. So sounds like it's an issue if you're making live program > changes (either manually or via a sequencer) in that it won't make > independent changes without defaulting to 'start' again (ie bouncing out > of combo mode)? But if you pre-program the patch, it's fine...is that > about right? >> >> Confusing one there. And I think it could be fixed with an os update > but as the rack polyevolver isn't supported anymore, I wonder if there > ever would be an os update for it at this point? >> >> Thanks again for everyone's response, >> >> Bill >> >> >> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@> wrote: >> > >> > Sure Bill. >> > >> > >> > >> > The PER manual states that Poly Evolvers used in combo mode are like >> > having four Mono Evolvers. This implies that we can assign four > parts to >> > their own midi channel then make independent program changes on each >> > channel, just like every other multitimbral synth on the planet. > This is >> > not what happens. When you send a program change from a sequencer to > one >> > of the channels, the main patch changes and you are often taken out > of >> > combo mode. The only way to use Combo mode with a song is to save a >> > combo patch with the four parts set to the programs you want. This > is an >> > annoyance if you prefer to assign patch changes from a sequencer. > You >> > may have a different methodology when creating music so it may not > be a >> > problem for you. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- Iain >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] >> > On Behalf Of prof_lofi >> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23 PM >> > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop > evolver >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Iain, >> > >> > Do you mind going into more detail about the prob's with how combo > mode >> > was used? I'd really appreciate it as it's so hard to tell without >> > having one to mess around with. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Bill >> > >> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Iain Bryden" <ibryden@> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > After buying an Evolver Desktop I went on to buy a Mono Evolver >> > Keyboard >> > > and loved it so much that I bought a Poly Evolver Rack. I sold the >> > Rack >> > > because Combo mode was so poorly implemented that I decided to get >> > other >> > > gear instead. I still have the EVO and the MEK. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Before I sold the PER I used it for a project. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Check out "Henchmen Suite" (3rd piece down). Synth parts are > almost >> > all >> > > Evolver. Percussion parts are from Spectrasonics Stylus RMX. >> > > >> > > http://obelus.com/music/film.asp > <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp > <http://obelus.com/music/film.asp> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > -- Iain >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ________________________________ >> > > >> > > From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> >> > [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> ] >> > > On Behalf Of prof_lofi >> > > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:39 AM >> > > To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> >> > >> > > Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop > evolver >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > thanks everyone for your posts...will be looking into this and >> > > considering new ideas...selling tons of gear (well, not tons but i >> > never >> > > sell anything) to buy new toys...thinking, in a while, about > trying to >> > > find a poly evolver rack...i'm sure i'm amongst the 1000's that > use >> > the >> > > genetic algorithms to begin building new patches, but i'd be > really >> > > interested to hear some random genetic hits from a poly just to > hear >> > how >> > > much more complicated they might be...my work is experimental, but >> > with >> > > a fairly heavy sound design element, so the poly is interesting in >> > that >> > > respect...no need for a keyboard though...has anyone made the jump > and >> > > found it to be hugely rewarding, or just a bit more rewarding? > <sigh> >> > > money! >> > > >> > > bill >> > > >> > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> >> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Kay" <dale@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > sorry if this posts twice or more, yahoo likes to ignor my posts > a >> > lot >> > > > >> > > > I use a sub mixer for that. >> > > > >> > > > here is my normal route for feed back in >> > > > synth to sub mixer >> > > > sub mixer channel to patch panel >> > > > patch panel to any effect, pedal and so on >> > > > output back to sub mixer >> > > > sub mixer back to synth(s) or to patch panel again to multiple >> > synths >> > > > >> > > > I have several synths that can feedback in and use it many > different >> > > ways >> > > > and I do not just use the output from the synth, I might effect > it >> > in >> > > > various ways which >> > > > I need to watch the levels ... I often do not just work with one >> > synth >> > > but >> > > > several >> > > > and I often record each level (clean, effect one, effect two if > in a >> > > chain) >> > > > as a separate track too to toy with in the mix >> > > > that is why I have 3 patch panels, I can do that at each stage >> > > > "think modular" >> > > > >> > > > my end results are more often used with the tracks you hear at > the >> > > links >> > > > below >> > > > never sure what one might call what I do ... ;-) >> > > > >> > > > sub mixer I use is a Rolls RM 203, I have 2 of those >> > > > a 24 channel main mixer too, sub channels get tasked around as > well >> > > > patch panels are AP , 3 of them, 24 ports each >> > > > effects? hard and soft, even the line 6 gear box DI, nada is not >> > toyed >> > > with >> > > > even a mike to a speaker then feed back in ... >> > > > >> > > > some things that seem to work nice, having a 31 stereo band eq >> > > > or a good parametric, you can really then find the band you want > to >> > > toy with >> > > > and filter out the rest >> > > > the bbe green screamer, the ADA flanger, the Roland V-wah ... > etc >> > ... >> > > > filter queen, killer eq (electrix) >> > > > >> > > > PEK here and the SE P'08 ... >> > > > >> > > > latest crazy things, using FM8 with them >> > > > >> > > > dale >> > > > >> > > > Inquisitor Betrayer >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > This electronic mail message contains information that (a) is or >> > > may be CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY IN NATURE, OR OTHERWISE >> > > PROTECTED >> > > BY LAW FROM DISCLOSURE, and (b) is intended only for the use of >> > > the >> > > addressee(s) named herein. 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RE: [DSI Synths] Re: getting more out of the mono desktop evolver
2009-08-05 by evening@soundgate.org