Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

I just tried to use the glide with the sequencer and it doesn't 
seem to apply. Is that everone's experience?

steve

"dhamaryder" <dhamaryder@...> writes:
> I just tried to use the glide with the sequencer and it doesn't 
> seem to apply. Is that everone's experience?

Yes.

Glide processing happens _before_ the sequencer, so it only affects
incoming midi note offsets.

-Miles
-- 
Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it
has to be us.  -- Jerry Garcia

Can you please elaborate?

How would this inform the process of gliding from note to note, as 
in let's say a 303?

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Miles Bader <miles@g...> wrote:
> "dhamaryder" <dhamaryder@y...> writes:
> > I just tried to use the glide with the sequencer and it doesn't 
> > seem to apply. Is that everone's experience?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Glide processing happens _before_ the sequencer, so it only affects
> incoming midi note offsets.
> 
> -Miles
> -- 
> Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic 
that it
> has to be us.  -- Jerry Garcia

On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 01:48:51AM -0000, _5ht wrote:
> > Glide processing happens _before_ the sequencer, so it only affects
> > incoming midi note offsets.
>
> Can you please elaborate?
>
> How would this inform the process of gliding from note to note, as
> in let's say a 303?

In the evolver, the signal flow looks something like:

  Midi -> GlideFilter --->+
                          |Sum ----> OscPitch
          Sequencer ----->+

If you play while the sequencer is running (in a mode where midi input is
enabled!), you'll hear the sequenced pitches, with no glide, and your midi
input _with_ glide.

So if you want some sort of 303 thing, you'll have to use an external
sequencer.

-Miles
--
We live, as we dream -- alone....

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Miles Bader <miles@g...> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 01:48:51AM -0000, _5ht wrote:
> > > Glide processing happens _before_ the sequencer, so it only 
affects
> > > incoming midi note offsets.
> >
> > Can you please elaborate?
> >
> > How would this inform the process of gliding from note to note, 
as
> > in let's say a 303?
> 
> In the evolver, the signal flow looks something like:
> 
>   Midi -> GlideFilter --->+
>                           |Sum ----> OscPitch
>           Sequencer ----->+
> 
> If you play while the sequencer is running (in a mode where midi 
input is
> enabled!), you'll hear the sequenced pitches, with no glide, and 
your midi
> input _with_ glide.
> 
> So if you want some sort of 303 thing, you'll have to use an 
external
> sequencer.
> 
> -Miles
> --
> We live, as we dream -- alone....

I would be using an external sequencer.

I was under the impression that the rate of glide could be 
controlled from the Evolver's surface. Is that not the case?

On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 06:51:54PM -0000, _5ht wrote:
> I would be using an external sequencer.
> 
> I was under the impression that the rate of glide could be 
> controlled from the Evolver's surface. Is that not the case? 

I have no idea what you mean.

Each of the four oscs has a "glide rate" parameter, which can be modified
using the synth's UI just like any other parameter (or, presumably, via
sysex).  The glide applies to _incoming midi note changes_, not note changes
from the Evolver's internal sequencer.

-Miles
-- 
`To alcohol!  The cause of, and solution to,
 all of life's problems' --Homer J. Simpson

Hi,

I understand that glide rate can be controlled. I am interested to 
control it in real time, as midi notes are coming into the Evolver.

I guess what I mean is, would it be possible to control the glide 
rate, in real time, using an external midi knob box?


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Miles Bader <miles@g...> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 06:51:54PM -0000, _5ht wrote:
> > I would be using an external sequencer.
> > 
> > I was under the impression that the rate of glide could be 
> > controlled from the Evolver's surface. Is that not the case? 
> 
> I have no idea what you mean.
> 
> Each of the four oscs has a "glide rate" parameter, which can be 
modified
> using the synth's UI just like any other parameter (or, 
presumably, via
> sysex).  The glide applies to _incoming midi note changes_, not 
note changes

> from the Evolver's internal sequencer.
> 
> -Miles
> -- 
> `To alcohol!  The cause of, and solution to,
>  all of life's problems' --Homer J. Simpson

"_5ht" <_5ht@...> writes:
> I understand that glide rate can be controlled. I am interested to 
> control it in real time, as midi notes are coming into the Evolver.
>
> I guess what I mean is, would it be possible to control the glide 
> rate, in real time, using an external midi knob box?

I have no experience doing this, so I can't say absolutely, but I don't
see why not -- all the Evolver's parameters are controllable via midi.

Do you have some reason to suspect otherwise?

-Miles
-- 
.Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing.

>> I guess what I mean is, would it be possible to control the glide 
>> rate, in real time, using an external midi knob box?
>
>I have no experience doing this, so I can't say absolutely, but I don't
>see why not -- all the Evolver's parameters are controllable via midi.

no you can’t unless you want to do sysex, and only a few boxes appear to be able to
speak the lingo.  Am I right in thinking the peavey 1600 thing can?  

It would also have to update all 4 glide rates at the same time (assuming that you are
using all 4 osc’s), which would be a chunk of data to transmit for 303 slide type
moments, and may present problems, I don’t know.

The sysex for the evolver looks pretty fierce.

To recap: afaik - glide is not a mod destination, hence not CC controllable.  Your
better off programming a pitch bend.

z

Alex <zero@...> writes:
>>> I guess what I mean is, would it be possible to control the glide 
>>> rate, in real time, using an external midi knob box?
>>
>>I have no experience doing this, so I can't say absolutely, but I don't
>>see why not -- all the Evolver's parameters are controllable via midi.
>
> no you can’t unless you want to do sysex, and only a few boxes appear to be able to
> speak the lingo.  Am I right in thinking the peavey 1600 thing can?  

Yes, and my impression is that many midi knob boxes can as well.  Of
course any computer sequencer will be able to do it.

> It would also have to update all 4 glide rates at the same time (assuming that you are
> using all 4 osc’s), which would be a chunk of data to transmit for 303 slide type
> moments, and may present problems, I don’t know.

For "303 slide type moments" all you have to do is set the glide rates
to X or to 0 (where X is the rate you want), depending on whether the
next note needs a slide or not -- there's no reason to send very many
messages.

> The sysex for the evolver looks pretty fierce.

Naw...

> To recap: afaik - glide is not a mod destination, hence not CC controllable.  Your
> better off programming a pitch bend.

For a _slide_?  That would _far_ more midi-intensive than simply setting
the osc glide rates (before each note, or even better, just when it
changes) and letting the synth do all the work...

The only exception I can think of is if you want a different glide curve
than what the Evolver uses, in which case I suppose a pitch bend would
be better (but then that pretty much holds for any synth).

-Miles
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