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I'd have to say no. Its buggy, limited and difficult to use and there is no
support for it. Like others here I had to ask for a refund. I'd love to have
some really good software for the evolver - especicially for the sequencer.

Richard

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From: "tattermalion" <tattermalion@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:55 PM
Subject: [Evolver] Evolver SoftWare Worth It ?


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>
> Hello,
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> I'm sure this has been covered somewhere in the past but now there's
> a newer version of the software, I think, and a new crop of users
> maybe asking the same question I am to themselves.
>
> Should I shill out the fifty bucks and get the software editor from
> Dave? Is it worth it? What are like the top five benefits of using
> it.
>
> Thanks
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>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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How about the Evolver profile for MOTU Unisyn? Would it be worth buying the program for it?

-- 
from michael moline

Yes!  I bought the program just for that profile and I'm extremely 
happy with it.  In the summer he(bob melvin) was working on a 
profile for the Poly as well so maybe it's already finnished by 
now. If you have any  questions about it, if I were you I'd email the 
DP forum at Yahoo. He seems to read and respond to the ones 
that have to do with Unisyn. If you use DP I wouldn't hesitate but if 
you use another sequencer you might want to check it out first to 
be sure it works well with it.

steve

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Tukon4@a... wrote:
> How about the Evolver profile for MOTU Unisyn? Would it be 
worth buying the program for it?

> 
> -- 
> from michael moline

I am going to disagree with richard here.  I have never had any 
problems with the software.  It is a little different than what you 
are used to (especially since the sequencer is set up like a old 
analog seq.) but I find it well laid out and considerably easier to 
use than just programing the front panel.  Just download the demo 
which does have some functionality and check it out.  Plus having the 
features like uploading your own waveforms and the genetics may not be 
available on the MOTU.  As far as bugs, I had mine eat it all of once. 
 Most of that my be more with issues with VB6 and other components (at 
least that is my take).  I thought it was worth it.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" <richardscott@b...
> wrote:
> I'd have to say no. Its buggy, limited and difficult to use and 
there is no
> support for it. Like others here I had to ask for a refund. I'd love 
to have
> some really good software for the evolver - especicially for the 
sequencer.
> 
> Richard
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "tattermalion" <tattermalion@y...>
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:55 PM
> Subject: [Evolver] Evolver SoftWare Worth It ?
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm sure this has been covered somewhere in the past but now 
there's
> > a newer version of the software, I think, and a new crop of users
> > maybe asking the same question I am to themselves.
> >
> > Should I shill out the fifty bucks and get the software editor 
from

> > Dave? Is it worth it? What are like the top five benefits of using
> > it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

.. and I must diagree with your disagreement :)

'bugs' does not equate to 'crash'. Yes the editor has not crashed 
for me, but some of its most basic functionality is bugged. 

For example; take any PC editor and..

a) Select a preset from the library
b) Edit the preset and tweak some params
c) Select 'Save single preset'

What would you expect? I think 99.9999999% would say it saves your 
edited preset. Wrong! With DSI it saves the original libarary 
preset. When I reported this the author confirmed there is *no* way 
to save a single edited preset apart from writing it back to a empty 
library, or saving it in the Evolver and saving it from there. 

A fix was promised months ago. After I lost a few good edits I just 
gave up and ditched the editor.

FT


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "altitude909" <altitude@o...> 
wrote:
> 
> I am going to disagree with richard here.  I have never had any 
> problems with the software.  It is a little different than what 
you 
> are used to (especially since the sequencer is set up like a old 
> analog seq.) but I find it well laid out and considerably easier 
to 
> use than just programing the front panel.  Just download the demo 
> which does have some functionality and check it out.  Plus having 
the 
> features like uploading your own waveforms and the genetics may 
not be 
> available on the MOTU.  As far as bugs, I had mine eat it all of 
once. 
>  Most of that my be more with issues with VB6 and other components 
(at 
> least that is my take).  I thought it was worth it.
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" 
<richardscott@b...
> > wrote:
> > I'd have to say no. Its buggy, limited and difficult to use and 
> there is no
> > support for it. Like others here I had to ask for a refund. I'd 
love 

> to have
> > some really good software for the evolver - especicially for the 
> sequencer.
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "tattermalion" <tattermalion@y...>
> > To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:55 PM
> > Subject: [Evolver] Evolver SoftWare Worth It ?
> > 
> > 
>

I have several of the SoundTower editors and I tell you that I they 
alternate between amazing and frustrating.  The interface is 
inscrutable and there are whole sections of the program that you are 
sort of left to your own devices on how they work.  Also, generally 
it can be difficult and unforgiving, so if "ease of use" is one of 
your big concerns, then don't buy it, you will be sad and 
frustrated.  Support can be spotty, sometimes you get a response 
instantly, sometimes never.

That said, feature-wise I think its pretty amazing and deep and is 
better than any of the other editors out there (which in my mind is 
not saying a ton).  The stuff like Phantom Banks, Genetics, and 
Snapshots are ideas that I think the other editors should really 
take a page from.

Its just too bad the usability is so low, otherwise you would really 
have a great tool to match the Poly. I am tempted to purchase 
something like Unisyn as a librarian, and just use the SoundTower 
editor for developing new patches.

I speak ONLY of the PC version.

--Brent 





> What would you expect? I think 99.9999999% would say it saves your 
> edited preset. Wrong! With DSI it saves the original libarary

According to the help file (I am speaking of the sept 04 update)
"Saving and Loading Single Programs

Use the right mouse button pop-up menu to save the selected single 
program to a file or place it into a bank."

so I believe this issue has been resolved.  The inclusion of the help 
file was also a nice touch (the orginal didnt have one from what I 
remember).  The help file is available for download with the 2.0.1 
software on their site.

I have been a sequential user for a while so I am used to certain 
Daveisms with regard to programing his gear so I usually accept the 
bugs and just work around them.  I still hold that the editor is a 
worthwhile peice of software if for the wave shaper and sequencer 
editing alone and with the new update, I think you should take another 
look especially if you paid for it already.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "flametopuk" <cubasesx@f...> 
wrote:

> 
> .. and I must diagree with your disagreement :)
> 
> 'bugs' does not equate to 'crash'. Yes the editor has not crashed 
> for me, but some of its most basic functionality is bugged. 
> 
> For example; take any PC editor and..
> 
> a) Select a preset from the library
> b) Edit the preset and tweak some params
> c) Select 'Save single preset'
> 
> What would you expect? I think 99.9999999% would say it saves your 
> edited preset. Wrong! With DSI it saves the original libarary 
> preset. When I reported this the author confirmed there is *no* way 
> to save a single edited preset apart from writing it back to a empty 
> library, or saving it in the Evolver and saving it from there. 
> 
> A fix was promised months ago. After I lost a few good edits I just 
> gave up and ditched the editor.
> 
> FT
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "altitude909" <altitude@o...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > I am going to disagree with richard here.  I have never had any 
> > problems with the software.  It is a little different than what 
> you 
> > are used to (especially since the sequencer is set up like a old 
> > analog seq.) but I find it well laid out and considerably easier 
> to 
> > use than just programing the front panel.  Just download the demo 
> > which does have some functionality and check it out.  Plus having 
> the 
> > features like uploading your own waveforms and the genetics may 
> not be 
> > available on the MOTU.  As far as bugs, I had mine eat it all of 
> once. 
> >  Most of that my be more with issues with VB6 and other components 
> (at 
> > least that is my take).  I thought it was worth it.
> > 
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" 
> <richardscott@b...
> > > wrote:
> > > I'd have to say no. Its buggy, limited and difficult to use and 
> > there is no
> > > support for it. Like others here I had to ask for a refund. I'd 
> love 
> > to have
> > > some really good software for the evolver - especicially for the 
> > sequencer.
> > > 
> > > Richard
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "tattermalion" <tattermalion@y...>
> > > To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:55 PM
> > > Subject: [Evolver] Evolver SoftWare Worth It ?
> > > 
> > > 
> >

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "altitude909" <altitude@o...> 
wrote:
> 
> According to the help file (I am speaking of the sept 04 update)

Ah, apologies I had no idea there had been an update. Might have 
been nice to mailshot the registered users? 

I'll give it another try.

cheers

FT

Ok then, here's one happy user of the PC version again.

I've made tons of sounds with the help of the editor. It works like charm on 
my system.
As with every software there are a few things that could be better.
I am glad in particular to have a sufficient librarian as an extra of the 
soft.

It's easy to learn, a big help especially in terms of the Poly Evcolver.

Regards
Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "tattermalion" <tattermalion@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:55 PM
Subject: [Evolver] Evolver SoftWare Worth It ?


>
> Hello,
>
> I'm sure this has been covered somewhere in the past but now there's
> a newer version of the software, I think, and a new crop of users
> maybe asking the same question I am to themselves.
>
> Should I shill out the fifty bucks and get the software editor from
> Dave? Is it worth it? What are like the top five benefits of using
> it.
>
> Thanks
>
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>Plus having the 
> features like uploading your own waveforms and the genetics 
may not be 
> available on the MOTU.  

It's true, the waveform editor on the Unisyn editor isn't the most 
intuitive. You have to shape it then load it and save it in Evo then 
use it in a patch so you can hear it. There's no real time editing of 
the waveform. At least that's how I've understood it so far. It was 
the only thing i was disappointed with in it.

I just got the editor and am experiencing this same problem, is there 
a way to save and recall patches without saving the to the evolver 
onbord banks first?

Thanx, 
d

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "altitude909" <altitude@o...> 
wrote:
> 
> According to the help file (I am speaking of the sept 04 update)
> "Saving and Loading Single Programs
> 
> Use the right mouse button pop-up menu to save the selected single 
> program to a file or place it into a bank."
> 
> so I believe this issue has been resolved.  The inclusion of the 
help 
> file was also a nice touch (the orginal didnt have one from what I 
> remember).  The help file is available for download with the 2.0.1 
> software on their site.
> 
> I have been a sequential user for a while so I am used to certain 
> Daveisms with regard to programing his gear so I usually accept the 
> bugs and just work around them.  I still hold that the editor is a 
> worthwhile peice of software if for the wave shaper and sequencer 
> editing alone and with the new update, I think you should take 
another 
> look especially if you paid for it already.
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "flametopuk" <cubasesx@f...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > .. and I must diagree with your disagreement :)
> > 
> > 'bugs' does not equate to 'crash'. Yes the editor has not crashed 
> > for me, but some of its most basic functionality is bugged. 
> > 
> > For example; take any PC editor and..
> > 
> > a) Select a preset from the library
> > b) Edit the preset and tweak some params
> > c) Select 'Save single preset'
> > 
> > What would you expect? I think 99.9999999% would say it saves 
your 
> > edited preset. Wrong! With DSI it saves the original libarary 
> > preset. When I reported this the author confirmed there is *no* 
way 
> > to save a single edited preset apart from writing it back to a 
empty 
> > library, or saving it in the Evolver and saving it from there. 
> > 
> > A fix was promised months ago. After I lost a few good edits I 
just 
> > gave up and ditched the editor.
> > 
> > FT
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "altitude909" <altitude@o...> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I am going to disagree with richard here.  I have never had any 
> > > problems with the software.  It is a little different than what 
> > you 
> > > are used to (especially since the sequencer is set up like a 
old 
> > > analog seq.) but I find it well laid out and considerably 
easier 
> > to 
> > > use than just programing the front panel.  Just download the 
demo 
> > > which does have some functionality and check it out.  Plus 
having 
> > the 
> > > features like uploading your own waveforms and the genetics may 
> > not be 
> > > available on the MOTU.  As far as bugs, I had mine eat it all 
of 
> > once. 
> > >  Most of that my be more with issues with VB6 and other 
components 
> > (at 
> > > least that is my take).  I thought it was worth it.
> > > 
> > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" 
> > <richardscott@b...
> > > > wrote:
> > > > I'd have to say no. Its buggy, limited and difficult to use 
and 
> > > there is no
> > > > support for it. Like others here I had to ask for a refund. 
I'd 
> > love 
> > > to have
> > > > some really good software for the evolver - especicially for 
the 

> > > sequencer.
> > > > 
> > > > Richard
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "tattermalion" <tattermalion@y...>
> > > > To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:55 PM
> > > > Subject: [Evolver] Evolver SoftWare Worth It ?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > >