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Re: [Evolver] Poly Keys

Re: [Evolver] Poly Keys

2005-05-16 by Stefan Trippler

1. Chaining was mainly implemented to increase polyphony, ther2fore 2 
chained units will still be 4 part multitimbral but with 8 voices available. 
If you want to use them as 2 independent units with 8 parts simply switch 
the chain modus off.

2. The current Rack OS doesn't include the unison modes from the keyboard. 
Afaik OS updates are in the works. Another reason could be that the init 
patches of rack and keyboard aren't quite identical. They should be 
identicakl though after you've saved them.

3. There is no automatic means to align the RAM contens of rack and 
keyboard. The easiest way is to dump the keyboard sounds with an appropriate 
program like midiOx and to transfer them to the Poly Rack.

Stefan

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Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:44 PM
Subject: [Evolver] Poly Keys


> Hello, I am a new member but have been an Evolver/poly owner for a
> while. Friday I got the poly keys. I fooled around with them this
> weekend , with great pleasure. Because I am fortunate to have a poly
> rack, I tried the chain hookup. I have a few questions:
>
> 1. How does this work in combi more? Is it up tp 8 part multi with
> the possibility of at least 1 parameter. pitch say, sequenced for
> each voice? IF so how is the keyboard used for programming the rack
> combi?
>
> 2. I used the so called "basic patch" found in bank 1 patch 128 of
> the keys and bank 2 patch 128 of the rack and tried to change the
> patch parametrs from the keys. They both changed, but the 4 rack
> voices sounded different from the changes on the 4 key
> voices.Starting from identical sounding patches, this is not
> supposed to happen according to the manual, although the manual also
> cautions that "the latest updated software' must be used. I am
> unaware of any OS updates for the rack, is one in the works in order
> for editing from the keys? Am I doing something wrong?
>
> 3. Although my sound set in the rack has some patches that are
> identical to the keys there appear to be quite a few different ones.
> Is there an easy way that I missed in the manual to send the key
> patches to the rack?
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> The key version seems like sonic heaven overall.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Evolver] Poly Keys

2005-05-16 by Stefan Trippler

> 3. There is no automatic means to align the RAM contens of rack and
> keyboard

This can be misleading. The RAM contens of 2 chained units should be aligned 
or initialised once. After that, any edit or change on the master unit is of 
course written to the slaved unit as well.

Stefan

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Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Poly Keys


> 1. Chaining was mainly implemented to increase polyphony, ther2fore 2
> chained units will still be 4 part multitimbral but with 8 voices 
> available.
> If you want to use them as 2 independent units with 8 parts simply switch
> the chain modus off.
>
> 2. The current Rack OS doesn't include the unison modes from the keyboard.
> Afaik OS updates are in the works. Another reason could be that the init
> patches of rack and keyboard aren't quite identical. They should be
> identicakl though after you've saved them.
>
> 3. There is no automatic means to align the RAM contens of rack and
> keyboard. The easiest way is to dump the keyboard sounds with an 
> appropriate
> program like midiOx and to transfer them to the Poly Rack.
>
> Stefan
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "chromexus" <chromex@...>
> To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:44 PM
> Subject: [Evolver] Poly Keys
>
>
>> Hello, I am a new member but have been an Evolver/poly owner for a
>> while. Friday I got the poly keys. I fooled around with them this
>> weekend , with great pleasure. Because I am fortunate to have a poly
>> rack, I tried the chain hookup. I have a few questions:
>>
>> 1. How does this work in combi more? Is it up tp 8 part multi with
>> the possibility of at least 1 parameter. pitch say, sequenced for
>> each voice? IF so how is the keyboard used for programming the rack
>> combi?
>>
>> 2. I used the so called "basic patch" found in bank 1 patch 128 of
>> the keys and bank 2 patch 128 of the rack and tried to change the
>> patch parametrs from the keys. They both changed, but the 4 rack
>> voices sounded different from the changes on the 4 key
>> voices.Starting from identical sounding patches, this is not
>> supposed to happen according to the manual, although the manual also
>> cautions that "the latest updated software' must be used. I am
>> unaware of any OS updates for the rack, is one in the works in order
>> for editing from the keys? Am I doing something wrong?
>>
>> 3. Although my sound set in the rack has some patches that are
>> identical to the keys there appear to be quite a few different ones.
>> Is there an easy way that I missed in the manual to send the key
>> patches to the rack?
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> The key version seems like sonic heaven overall.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>  a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:
>>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/
>>
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>>  DSI_Evolver-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [Evolver] Poly Keys

2005-05-16 by chromexus

Thanks for the help. The patches were sonically identical until I 
edited. Whereupon I had 4 voices sounding like x on the keys and 4 
other voices sounding like y on the rack. Apparently that is an 
error? I did not try to save them because I assumed that they would 
sound like what aI was playing. But I will try to do that. One thing 
that occurs to me is that the "position" of the rack parametes may 
be different once editing starts . In other words, the patch is in 
memory but when I grab the filter knob and twist it on the keys 
version, it "jumps" to the "Actual" parameter, which may be 
different on the rack. Just thinking out loud. But again, thanks for 
the response. 


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trippler" 
<trippler@t...> wrote:
> > 3. There is no automatic means to align the RAM contens of rack 
and
> > keyboard
> 
> This can be misleading. The RAM contens of 2 chained units should 
be aligned 
> or initialised once. After that, any edit or change on the master 
unit is of 
> course written to the slaved unit as well.
> 
> Stefan
> 
>  > >> Thanks for the help.
> >>
> >> The key version seems like sonic heaven overall.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Poly Keys

2005-05-17 by Miles Bader

"chromexus" <chromex@...> writes:
> In other words, the patch is in memory but when I grab the filter knob
> and twist it on the keys version, it "jumps" to the "Actual"
> parameter, which may be different on the rack.

When you adjust a parameter on the PEK, I thought the sysex message[*]
sent over the polychain output was an absolute setting for that
parameter, which would force the rack to the same value as the keyboard
-- even if they started out with different values.

[*] "Program Parameter", p.53 in the PEK manual

[BTW, AFAIK the PEK uses encoders, not pots, so all knob edits should be
relative on the keyboard side, i.e., no jumping.]

-Miles
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