Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

Hi Herman,

from my point of view I'd just say no.

Gru\ufffd
Stefan

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From: "arrakian" <arrakian@...>
To: "Evolver" <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 5:06 AM
Subject: [Evolver] PEK/MEK to PPG Wave


> Hi all,
> I was wondering, can the Evolvers emulate the PPG Wave sound? As I
> understand it, the PPG is digital put through analogue filters. Would
> the PEK's analogue through digital signal sound similar? Could
> someone post examples? I like the PPPG sound, but it IS an old
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Hi Herman,

from my point of view I'd just say no.

Gru\ufffd
Stefan

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>They are very different animals, to say the least.  If your looking for a
>PPG type sound, your looking at getting an original Microwave or a monowave
>if you can find one or the plans to build one.

The MicrowaveXT is an *excellent* "PPG Emulator" as well - aliasing can be enabled as well as a coarser table sweep for that "authentic PPG grunge"...plus it has the original PPG wavetables in it.

...of course it can sound a lot smoother (or coarser!) than the PPG as well due to more filter types, higher resolution oscillators and additional wavetables.

The Microwave XT is also a nice synth to pair with an Evolver: http://www.carbon111.com/studio4.jpg
^_^

Best Regards, James
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http://www.carbon111.com

>PPG's are wavetable synthesizers in which a series of waves is sweeped in 
>the "oscillator" to create a moving sound even before it hits the filters, 
>amps, lfo's and envelope generators. The evolver has a wave table, but each 
>of the sounds in it are used one at a time by each of the digital 
>oscillators so the sound is not a "swept" sound (although you can play with 
>that by sequencing the waves in the digital oscillators with the sequencer, 
>but it is not a smooth transition between the waves like the ppgs and the 
>Waldorf Wave and Microwaves achieved).

You can actually get complex waveform sweeps from the Evolver- use an LFO to 
crossfade between oscillators 3 and 4 and two sequences to change the 
waveforms, and set the output to mono.  The triangle wave on the LFO isn't 
ideal for this so it's a bit crude.  It's not actually a sweep in terms of 
what the PPG Wave does, it's more like wavesequencing on the Korg M1.  It's 
an interesting sound though, particularly if you use different length 
sequences.

On May 6, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Scott Nordlund wrote:

> You can actually get complex waveform sweeps from the Evolver- use  
> an LFO to
> crossfade between oscillators 3 and 4 and two sequences to change the
> waveforms, and set the output to mono.  The triangle wave on the  
> LFO isn't
> ideal for this so it's a bit crude.  It's not actually a sweep in  
> terms of
> what the PPG Wave does, it's more like wavesequencing on the Korg  
> M1.  It's
> an interesting sound though, particularly if you use different length
> sequences.

Could you post an example? If I could get really close to the PPG  
sound with one keyboard, that can also emulate a Prophet, I'm good.

> If I understand you, the PEK's digital through analogue filter sound is 
> not as smooth as PPG? Because of a lack of sweeping?

Not exactly...true "wavetable" synths like the PPG, Microwave XT and 
Fizmo use a _different_kind_of_synthesis_ than the Evolver is capable of.

> Also, does the Wave/Microwave get closer to the PPG sound than the 
> II/XT/XTk?

Not in my opinion but there are those who would argue vehemently that 
that is the case ;)

I've owned a number of first generation Microwaves over the years and 
always ended up letting them go as I could always program nearly 
identical sounds from my XT (much easier too I might add - 44 knobs!). 
The *Wave* however is a different matter...I can get extremely close but 
not *quite* "there" - thats why I have a sampler (gasp!) ;)

The Evolver just sounds *different* though it can, on occasion, be 
reminiscent of a Waldorf Q in its more "digital" moods...

Very Best Regards, James
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My Microwave XT Page:
http://www.carbon111.com/mwxt.html
My DSI Evolver Page:
http://www.carbon111.com/evolver.html

> > You can actually get complex waveform sweeps from the Evolver- use
> > an LFO to
> > crossfade between oscillators 3 and 4 and two sequences to change the
> > waveforms, and set the output to mono.  The triangle wave on the
> > LFO isn't
> > ideal for this so it's a bit crude.  It's not actually a sweep in
> > terms of
> > what the PPG Wave does, it's more like wavesequencing on the Korg
> > M1.  It's
> > an interesting sound though, particularly if you use different length
> > sequences.
>
>Could you post an example? If I could get really close to the PPG
>sound with one keyboard, that can also emulate a Prophet, I'm good.

I can't post anything for the moment, but it's fairly easy to program to 
just try it out.

Anyway the others are right in that the Evolver can't get the PPG's 
wavetable sweeps, but it can get another important element of the PPG's 
sound- the waveforms are very short loops, and no multisamples or 
interpolation are used, giving a very gritty sound at low frequencies.  Most 
synths/samplers can't do this because even if you play a short loop at low 
frequency- the synth will interpolate between the data points to smooth out 
the waveform- it sounds dull and muffled rather than sharp and gritty.

And waldorf is back ;-)
We can perhaps expect new stuff for their flagships synths.

Ben.

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From: "Carbon111" <carbon111@...>
The MicrowaveXT is an *excellent* "PPG Emulator" as well - aliasing can be 
enabled as well as a coarser table sweep for that "authentic PPG 
grunge"...plus it has the original PPG wavetables in it.


	

	
		
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Ben
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 4:17 AM
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: RE: [Evolver] PEK/MEK to PPG Wave
> 
> And waldorf is back ;-)
> We can perhaps expect new stuff for their flagships synths.
> 
> Ben.

Without going to far OT here, I am really hoping for an MWIII..

Tony

Great!!! Does anybody know of a Waldorf forum? A forum in German is 
okay for me too.

Ron

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <benoitruelle@...> wrote:
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> And waldorf is back ;-)
> We can perhaps expect new stuff for their flagships synths.
> 
> Ben.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Carbon111" <carbon111@...>
> The MicrowaveXT is an *excellent* "PPG Emulator" as well - 
aliasing can be 
> enabled as well as a coarser table sweep for that "authentic PPG 
> grunge"...plus it has the original PPG wavetables in it.
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I think maybe seeing Dave's return with a "Prophetic" instrument made  
them reminisce on the glory days.... :)

On May 16, 2006, at 11:11 AM, seventytwojazz wrote:

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> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <benoitruelle@...> wrote:
> >
> > And waldorf is back ;-)
> > We can perhaps expect new stuff for their flagships synths.
> >

Hi, There s a great PPG Wave 2.v VST instrument, if you use a computer. Should find 2nd hand for cheap, until Waldorf starts selling stuff again. .jon ... Hi,

>" I am saying that sequencing from one wave to another via the 
digital oscillators is not a smooth wavetable sweep like the PPGs and 
the Waldorfs do"

The PPGs weren't really smooth though.

>>" I am saying that sequencing from one wave to another via the 
>digital oscillators is not a smooth wavetable sweep like the PPGs and 
>the Waldorfs do"
>
>The PPGs weren't really smooth though.

Yeah, but the bassline to "Windpower" wouldn't have sounded quite as nice "all smoothed out"! :)
Best Regards, James
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http://www.carbon111.com