Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

> paying for Beta testing. Is it better to go for no fancy but 100%
> working other one.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Bernie

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:46 PM

Subject: [Evolver] Re: Hi everybody and which is better editor?

Well, SoundTower is free, so just download it and try it. If it fits
your needs, you're all set. But there's a misconception
about "paying for beta testing" with Vyzor. It's paying for full
version 1.0 and a free upgrade to 2.0 when that version is
eventually released with additional features, and you get to play
with the almost fully-developed beta version and provide feedback to
the developers in the meantime. SoundTower doesn't recognize my PEK,
so I use Vyzor.

Bernie

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "electrotimba"
...> wrote:
>
> Got the desktop Evolver few days back, I am amazed, Dave Smith is
> definitely the No.1 designer for me, found what i was missing, I
> couldnt find in Clavia or Virus. They might be great for some
people,
> specially if they like scratchy sounds. I like it fine, creamy,
> sophisticated. Then Dave destroyed another misconception in my
head-
> digital is not good enough for me- I love these digi oscilators as
> much- it is about quality (reminding me how much of analog I heard
> that sounds sh...)
> Then the whole concept is so open, it is so easy experimenting and
> tanks to the desktop form somehow easier to grasp certain
principles.
> These few days i learned more about synthesis then in last few
years,
> I am able to program any software synth much faster with better
> understanding now.
> So now I am ready for the editor, I use pc and would be nice to
have
> something that actually works like VST. But does it really ? Or is
it
> paying for Beta testing. Is it better to go for no fancy but 100%
> working other one.
>

>
> Well, SoundTower is free, so just download it and try it. If it fits 
> your needs, you're all set. But there's a misconception 
> about "paying for beta testing" with Vyzor. It's paying for full 
> version 1.0 and a free upgrade to 2.0 when that version is 
> eventually released with additional features, and you get to play 
> with the almost fully-developed beta version and provide feedback to 
> the developers in the meantime. SoundTower doesn't recognize my PEK, 
> so I use Vyzor.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "electrotimba" 
> <electrotimba@> wrote:
> >
> > Got the desktop Evolver few days back, I am amazed, Dave Smith is
> > definitely the No.1 designer for me, found what i was missing, I
> > couldnt find in Clavia or Virus. They might be great for some 
> people,
> > specially if they like scratchy sounds. I like it fine, creamy,
> > sophisticated. Then Dave destroyed another misconception in my 
> head-
> > digital is not good enough for me- I love these digi oscilators as
> > much- it is about quality (reminding me how much of analog I heard
> > that sounds sh...)
> >  Then the whole concept is so open, it is so easy experimenting and
> > tanks to the desktop form somehow easier to grasp certain 
> principles.
> > These few days i learned more about synthesis then in last few 
> years,
> > I am able to program any software synth much faster with better
> > understanding now.
> > So now I am ready for the editor, I use pc and would be nice to 
> have
> > something that actually works like VST. But does it really ? Or is 
> it
> > paying for Beta testing. Is it better to go for no fancy but 100%
> > working other one.
> >
>

My problem is that i wrote already 2 E-mails to Vysor but the dont
respond=dont want my money obviously.
It really seems like better thing, specially to use with Live.
SoundTower for free how, where ?

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" ..> wrote:
>
> Well, SoundTower is free, so just download it and try it. If it fits
> your needs, you're all set. But there's a misconception
> about "paying for beta testing" with Vyzor. It's paying for full
> version 1.0 and a free upgrade to 2.0 when that version is
> eventually released with additional features, and you get to play
> with the almost fully-developed beta version and provide feedback to
> the developers in the meantime. SoundTower doesn't recognize my PEK,
> so I use Vyzor.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "electrotimba"
> > wrote:
> >
> > Got the desktop Evolver few days back, I am amazed, Dave Smith is
> > definitely the No.1 designer for me, found what i was missing, I
> > couldnt find in Clavia or Virus. They might be great for some
> people,
> > specially if they like scratchy sounds. I like it fine, creamy,
> > sophisticated. Then Dave destroyed another misconception in my
> head-
> > digital is not good enough for me- I love these digi oscilators as
> > much- it is about quality (reminding me how much of analog I heard
> > that sounds sh...)
> > Then the whole concept is so open, it is so easy experimenting and
> > tanks to the desktop form somehow easier to grasp certain
> principles.
> > These few days i learned more about synthesis then in last few
> years,
> > I am able to program any software synth much faster with better
> > understanding now.
> > So now I am ready for the editor, I use pc and would be nice to
> have
> > something that actually works like VST. But does it really ? Or is
> it
> > paying for Beta testing. Is it better to go for no fancy but 100%
> > working other one.
> >
>

Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.

Thanks but
1. I need one for Desktop
2. Vyzor was what I almost decided for but OK since they prooved to be
morons I may go with people who seem to care for a potential customer.
"advantage soundTower")
3. I dont give away my card details over internet ever, is there
option to call somewhere?

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, SoundTower_Help Desk
helpdesk@...> wrote:
>
> Try this URL and follow the links:
>
> http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/polyevolver/editor.html
>
> Derek
> www.soundtower.com
>
> electrotimba ...> wrote:
> My problem is that i wrote already 2 E-mails to Vysor but
the dont
> respond=dont want my money obviously.
> It really seems like better thing, specially to use with Live.
> SoundTower for free how, where ?
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" wrote:
> >
> > Well, SoundTower is free, so just download it and try it. If it fits
> > your needs, you're all set. But there's a misconception
> > about "paying for beta testing" with Vyzor. It's paying for full
> > version 1.0 and a free upgrade to 2.0 when that version is
> > eventually released with additional features, and you get to play
> > with the almost fully-developed beta version and provide feedback to
> > the developers in the meantime. SoundTower doesn't recognize my PEK,
> > so I use Vyzor.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "electrotimba"
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Got the desktop Evolver few days back, I am amazed, Dave Smith is
> > > definitely the No.1 designer for me, found what i was missing, I
> > > couldnt find in Clavia or Virus. They might be great for some
> > people,
> > > specially if they like scratchy sounds. I like it fine, creamy,
> > > sophisticated. Then Dave destroyed another misconception in my
> > head-
> > > digital is not good enough for me- I love these digi oscilators as
> > > much- it is about quality (reminding me how much of analog I heard
> > > that sounds sh...)
> > > Then the whole concept is so open, it is so easy experimenting and
> > > tanks to the desktop form somehow easier to grasp certain
> > principles.
> > > These few days i learned more about synthesis then in last few
> > years,
> > > I am able to program any software synth much faster with better
> > > understanding now.
> > > So now I am ready for the editor, I use pc and would be nice to
> > have
> > > something that actually works like VST. But does it really ? Or is
> > it
> > > paying for Beta testing. Is it better to go for no fancy but 100%
> > > working other one.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo!
Small Business.
>

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> > Small Business.
> > >
> >
> >  
> 
> -- 
> Joe McGinty
> 
> http://www.joemcginty.com
> http://www.myspace.com/joemcginty
> http://www.carouselrecording.com
> http://www.loserslounge.com
>

Thanks but
1. I need one for Desktop
2. Vyzor was what I almost decided for but OK since they prooved to be
morons I may go with people who seem to care for a potential customer.
"advantage soundTower")
3. I dont give away my card details over internet ever, is there
option to call somewhere?

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, SoundTower_Help Desk
helpdesk@...> wrote:
>
> Try this URL and follow the links:
>
> http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/polyevolver/editor.html
>
> Derek
> www.soundtower.com
>
> electrotimba ...> wrote:
> My problem is that i wrote already 2 E-mails to Vysor but
the dont
> respond=dont want my money obviously.
> It really seems like better thing, specially to use with Live.
> SoundTower for free how, where ?
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" wrote:
> >
> > Well, SoundTower is free, so just download it and try it. If it fits
> > your needs, you're all set. But there's a misconception
> > about "paying for beta testing" with Vyzor. It's paying for full
> > version 1.0 and a free upgrade to 2.0 when that version is
> > eventually released with additional features, and you get to play
> > with the almost fully-developed beta version and provide feedback to
> > the developers in the meantime. SoundTower doesn't recognize my PEK,
> > so I use Vyzor.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "electrotimba"
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Got the desktop Evolver few days back, I am amazed, Dave Smith is
> > > definitely the No.1 designer for me, found what i was missing, I
> > > couldnt find in Clavia or Virus. They might be great for some
> > people,
> > > specially if they like scratchy sounds. I like it fine, creamy,
> > > sophisticated. Then Dave destroyed another misconception in my
> > head-
> > > digital is not good enough for me- I love these digi oscilators as
> > > much- it is about quality (reminding me how much of analog I heard
> > > that sounds sh...)
> > > Then the whole concept is so open, it is so easy experimenting and
> > > tanks to the desktop form somehow easier to grasp certain
> > principles.
> > > These few days i learned more about synthesis then in last few
> > years,
> > > I am able to program any software synth much faster with better
> > > understanding now.
> > > So now I am ready for the editor, I use pc and would be nice to
> > have
> > > something that actually works like VST. But does it really ? Or is
> > it
> > > paying for Beta testing. Is it better to go for no fancy but 100%
> > > working other one.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo!
Small Business.
>

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>
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> As much as it is Psicraft's policy to not post to the DSI_Evolver 
> group regarding our Vyzor Evolver software (We have our own group 
> for this purpose - vyzor_evolver_beta), here are some quick comments 
> to some of the points that have come up in this thread:
> 
> 1. Psicraft has been busy getting the v0.98 build of Vyzor Evolver 
> ready for release, which adds the following major features to the 
> program:
> 
>    a) Full editor control-surface capabilities from your MED, 
>       PER, PEK or MEK front panel knobs.
> 
>    b) User-definable editor control capabilities from all 
>       generic CC generating control surfaces.
> 
>    c) Optimized Sequencer mode graphics that allow Mac G4's
>       with 32 MB of video ram (and slower PCs) to keep up under 
>       most real-time conditions - Video performance is greatly
>       improved on all machines, meaning smoother playback all around.
> 
> Despite the workload, we have quickly responded to any posts made to 
> the Vyzor Evolver pre-release group. Since there haven't been many 
> posts recently (a sign of the program's ship-worthiness) things have 
> been relatively quiet as you point out.
> 
> 2. Electrotimba, your emails never made it to any of Psicraft's in-
> boxes, which is why nobody responded. Please ensure that your 
> spelling is correct when you address correspondence to either 
> psicraft.com or vyzor.com and we'll be sure to get right back to you.
> 
> 3. Although I am a member of this group and read most of what gets 
> posted here, I hope the membership can appreciate that I will not 
> respond to any posts that I consider trolling or simply unsupported 
> slagging of the talented engineers and musicians who make up our 
> team. I will also stay out of discussions on the relative merits of 
> our editor versus Sound Tower's - I believe both software products 
> speak for themselves and that this group's right to unbiased 
> discussions on such topics should be respected.
> 
> That said, I will speak up if it seems that Psicraft's commitment to 
> quality or customer service is in doubt. Rest assured, we are here 
> to do business and will not let our users down.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Tony
> 
> --------------------
> Tony Antoniou, B.Eng. M.A.Sc.
> Director of Product Development,
> Psicraft Designs, Inc.      
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Joe McGinty <rastro2@> wrote:
> >
> > I have noticed that the Vyzor folks were pretty responsive with a 
> bug 
> > that I was experiencing
> > several months ago when I purchased the editor, but lately they 
> have 
> > been very quiet.
> > 
> > I  like the Vyzor, but I do occasionally get the dreaded spinning 
> beach 
> > ball in  OS X
> > 
> > electrotimba wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks but
> > > 1. I need one for Desktop
> > > 2. Vyzor was what I almost decided for but OK since they prooved 
> to be
> > > morons I may go with people who seem to care for a potential 
> customer.
> > > "advantage soundTower")
> > > 3. I dont give away my card details over internet ever, is there
> > > option to call somewhere?
> > >
> > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>, SoundTower_Help Desk
> > > <soundtower_helpdesk@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Try this URL and follow the links:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/polyevolver/editor.html 
> > > <http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/polyevolver/editor.html>
> > > >
> > > > Derek
> > > > www.soundtower.com
> > > >
> > > > electrotimba <electrotimba@> wrote:
> > > > My problem is that i wrote already 2 E-mails to Vysor but
> > > the dont
> > > > respond=dont want my money obviously.
> > > > It really seems like better thing, specially to use with Live.
> > > > SoundTower for free how, where ?
> > > >
> > > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bernie" <kornowicz@> 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, SoundTower is free, so just download it and try it. If 
> it fits
> > > > > your needs, you're all set. But there's a misconception
> > > > > about "paying for beta testing" with Vyzor. It's paying for 
> full
> > > > > version 1.0 and a free upgrade to 2.0 when that version is
> > > > > eventually released with additional features, and you get to 
> play
> > > > > with the almost fully-developed beta version and provide 
> feedback to
> > > > > the developers in the meantime. SoundTower doesn't recognize 
> my PEK,
> > > > > so I use Vyzor.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bernie
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
> > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>, "electrotimba"
> > > > > <electrotimba@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Got the desktop Evolver few days back, I am amazed, Dave 
> Smith is
> > > > > > definitely the No.1 designer for me, found what i was 
> missing, I
> > > > > > couldnt find in Clavia or Virus. They might be great for 
> some
> > > > > people,
> > > > > > specially if they like scratchy sounds. I like it fine, 
> creamy,
> > > > > > sophisticated. Then Dave destroyed another misconception 
> in my
> > > > > head-
> > > > > > digital is not good enough for me- I love these digi 
> oscilators as
> > > > > > much- it is about quality (reminding me how much of analog 
> I heard
> > > > > > that sounds sh...)
> > > > > > Then the whole concept is so open, it is so easy 
> experimenting and
> > > > > > tanks to the desktop form somehow easier to grasp certain
> > > > > principles.
> > > > > > These few days i learned more about synthesis then in last 
> few
> > > > > years,
> > > > > > I am able to program any software synth much faster with 
> better
> > > > > > understanding now.
> > > > > > So now I am ready for the editor, I use pc and would be 
> nice to
> > > > > have
> > > > > > something that actually works like VST. But does it 
> really ? Or is
> > > > > it
> > > > > > paying for Beta testing. Is it better to go for no fancy 
> but 100%
> > > > > > working other one.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. 
> Yahoo!
> > > Small Business.
> > > >
> > >
> > >  
> > 
> > -- 
> > Joe McGinty
> > 
> > http://www.joemcginty.com
> > http://www.myspace.com/joemcginty
> > http://www.carouselrecording.com
> > http://www.loserslounge.com
> >
>

> Economist]
> >
>

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Carbon111
Sent: 05 October 2006 03:22
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Hi everybody and which is better editor?

 

Bernie wrote:
> Please excuse my ignorance, but what's a fluffer? Is that a fluffer 
> nutter without the peanut butter?
> 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluffer
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluffer> 

Ewww.

-J

Wow, you learn something new every day!

From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carbon111
Sent: 05 October 2006 03:22
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Hi everybody and which is better editor?

Bernie wrote:
> Please excuse my ignorance, but what's a fluffer? Is that a fluffer
> nutter without the peanut butter?
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluffer

Ewww.

-J

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You know what... GO WILD and GET BOTH!!!!!

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Don DiNila ...> wrote:
>
> We all need a helping hand at times! LOL.
>
> I was curious about something though as I've been looking at the
Vysor product a little. The ST ed has had the genetics function for
years now. I thought it was an original creation of the ST
programmers (copyright ?) and not an industry standard.
>
> Anyone using the Vysor, that has used the ST ed, if the genetics
functions are any different in the Vysor? Any better or worse. I like
the feature alot. Especially on beer night.
>
> ping pong
> Don
>
> Andrew Capon wrote:
> Wow, you learn something new every day!
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carbon111
> Sent: 05 October 2006 03:22
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Hi everybody and which is better editor?
>
>
> Bernie wrote:
> > Please excuse my ignorance, but what's a fluffer? Is that a
fluffer
> > nutter without the peanut butter?
> >
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluffer
>
> Ewww.
>
> -J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> The best gets better. See why everyone is raving about the All-new
Yahoo! Mail.
>

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SoundTower is not for free, is it? You can try a demo for free though.

best,

Andreas

www.repeatle.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Bernie

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:46 PM

Subject: [Evolver] Re: Hi everybody and which is better editor?

Well, SoundTower is free, so just download it and try it. If it fits
your needs, you're all set. But there's a misconception
about "paying for beta testing" with Vyzor. It's paying for full
version 1.0 and a free upgrade to 2.0 when that version is
eventually released with additional features, and you get to play
with the almost fully-developed beta version and provide feedback to
the developers in the meantime. SoundTower doesn't recognize my PEK,
so I use Vyzor.

Bernie

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "electrotimba"
...> wrote:
>
> Got the desktop Evolver few days back, I am amazed, Dave Smith is
> definitely the No.1 designer for me, found what i was missing, I
> couldnt find in Clavia or Virus. They might be great for some
people,
> specially if they like scratchy sounds. I like it fine, creamy,
> sophisticated. Then Dave destroyed another misconception in my
head-
> digital is not good enough for me- I love these digi oscilators as
> much- it is about quality (reminding me how much of analog I heard
> that sounds sh...)
> Then the whole concept is so open, it is so easy experimenting and
> tanks to the desktop form somehow easier to grasp certain
principles.
> These few days i learned more about synthesis then in last few
years,
> I am able to program any software synth much faster with better
> understanding now.
> So now I am ready for the editor, I use pc and would be nice to
have
> something that actually works like VST. But does it really ? Or is
it
> paying for Beta testing. Is it better to go for no fancy but 100%
> working other one.
>

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