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2003-02-13 by rickyannotta <rickyannotta@yahoo.com>

I'm looking for some help to learn this beast.  I like to program my 
own musical phrases and tweak them.  I toy around with my evolver as 
a synth, and I find something cool, I try to create a sequence.  
First I set a destination to a oscillator frequency then go into 
sequencer mode, set it so evolver is programmable from a keyboard and 
then...the notes sound nothing like they did in Synth mode or don't 
change pitch at all! It's been frustrating as I haven't even been 
able create simple phrases, basslines etc.. 

There's really no beginner information available anywhere. Where do 
others start when they want to program their own patches or tweak out 
existing ones?  

Thanks - Rick

Newbie Sequencer Questions

2003-02-13 by ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@excite.com>

From what you've said, I'm not sure if you're having difficulty 
making the Evolver function correctly, or difficulty composing.

If you're having difficulty programming the Evolver sequencer 
correctly, I'd recommend reading the page in the manual 
entitled "Sequencer Operation".  Especially if you're finding, after 
programming a sequence in which you INTENDED to sequence pitch, that 
the pitch doesn't change, you're missing something VERY simple.  You 
basically just have to set one of the sequencer tracks "destination" 
to modulate one or more of the oscillators' pitch.  Then you actually 
program the values in the sequencer.  Read the manual carefully, 
though, for the specific steps.  Don't worry or get frustrated... it 
IS something very simple you're missing.  

I might also recommend programming the sequencer with the front panel 
knobs, prior to trying to to it with an external MIDI keyboard.  Keep 
things as simple as possible, and when you have that working, THEN 
graduate to the more complex stuff.  You don't want to have to wonder 
if you have a problem with a MIDI connection or something like that 
as you're trying to solve another problem.

If you're having difficulty composing... well, get in line!  ;)  
Everyone has some degree of trouble from time to time.  And of 
course, some people are great at it, and some are not.  Some find it 
easy, and some find it hard.  I'm not sure that anyone can help 
someone else to be a better composer with just a few quick tips.

Back to the sequencer itself...

You've asked these questions before, as I recall.  I don't remember 
if you ever answered my previous reply, but did you ever get a chance 
to read it?  If so, did it help at all?  Here's a link in case you 
haven't:

http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000016

(Depending on Yahoo or your email program settings, the link above 
may be wrapped, and you may have top copy/paste it into the address 
bar in your browser.)

Happy sequencing!


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23



--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "rickyannotta 
<rickyannotta@y...>" <rickyannotta@y...> wrote:
> I'm looking for some help to learn this beast.  I like to program 
my 
> own musical phrases and tweak them.  I toy around with my evolver 
as 
> a synth, and I find something cool, I try to create a sequence.  
> First I set a destination to a oscillator frequency then go into 
> sequencer mode, set it so evolver is programmable from a keyboard 
and 
> then...the notes sound nothing like they did in Synth mode or don't 
> change pitch at all! It's been frustrating as I haven't even been 
> able create simple phrases, basslines etc.. 
> 
> There's really no beginner information available anywhere. Where do 
> others start when they want to program their own patches or tweak 
out 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> existing ones?  
> 
> Thanks - Rick

Re: Newbie Sequencer Questions

2003-02-13 by rickyannotta <rickyannotta@yahoo.com>

I do feel as if I'm missing something simple, but I can't figure out 
what "it" is.  The main problem is if I play cool bass line in synth 
mode and want to create a sequence, I go into sequence mode and have 
four Oscillator frequencies AND four sequence tracks to choose from!  
This is where I get lost! I think one specific example of how to 
program a patch with pitch changes etc.. would help immensely.

I am also starting to think maybe the poor midi implementation on my 
JX-3P is behind it all.

Thanks alot for your help ski,
-Rick        


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@e...>" 
<ex5tech@e...> wrote:
> From what you've said, I'm not sure if you're having difficulty 
> making the Evolver function correctly, or difficulty composing.
> 
> If you're having difficulty programming the Evolver sequencer 
> correctly, I'd recommend reading the page in the manual 
> entitled "Sequencer Operation".  Especially if you're finding, 
after 
> programming a sequence in which you INTENDED to sequence pitch, 
that 
> the pitch doesn't change, you're missing something VERY simple.  
You 
> basically just have to set one of the sequencer 
tracks "destination" 
> to modulate one or more of the oscillators' pitch.  Then you 
actually 
> program the values in the sequencer.  Read the manual carefully, 
> though, for the specific steps.  Don't worry or get frustrated... 
it 
> IS something very simple you're missing.  
> 
> I might also recommend programming the sequencer with the front 
panel 
> knobs, prior to trying to to it with an external MIDI keyboard.  
Keep 
> things as simple as possible, and when you have that working, THEN 
> graduate to the more complex stuff.  You don't want to have to 
wonder 
> if you have a problem with a MIDI connection or something like that 
> as you're trying to solve another problem.
> 
> If you're having difficulty composing... well, get in line!  ;)  
> Everyone has some degree of trouble from time to time.  And of 
> course, some people are great at it, and some are not.  Some find 
it 
> easy, and some find it hard.  I'm not sure that anyone can help 
> someone else to be a better composer with just a few quick tips.
> 
> Back to the sequencer itself...
> 
> You've asked these questions before, as I recall.  I don't remember 
> if you ever answered my previous reply, but did you ever get a 
chance 
> to read it?  If so, did it help at all?  Here's a link in case you 
> haven't:
> 
> http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
> ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000016
> 
> (Depending on Yahoo or your email program settings, the link above 
> may be wrapped, and you may have top copy/paste it into the address 
> bar in your browser.)
> 
> Happy sequencing!
> 
> 
> Ski
> www.ex5tech.com
> EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "rickyannotta 
> <rickyannotta@y...>" <rickyannotta@y...> wrote:
> > I'm looking for some help to learn this beast.  I like to program 
> my 
> > own musical phrases and tweak them.  I toy around with my evolver 
> as 
> > a synth, and I find something cool, I try to create a sequence.  
> > First I set a destination to a oscillator frequency then go into 
> > sequencer mode, set it so evolver is programmable from a keyboard 
> and 
> > then...the notes sound nothing like they did in Synth mode or 
don't 
> > change pitch at all! It's been frustrating as I haven't even been 
> > able create simple phrases, basslines etc.. 
> > 
> > There's really no beginner information available anywhere. Where 
do 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > others start when they want to program their own patches or tweak 
> out 
> > existing ones?  
> > 
> > Thanks - Rick

Re: Newbie Sequencer Questions

2003-02-14 by ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@excite.com>

Once again, as I said below, take your Roland keyboard synth out of 
the equation.  Keep things ultra simple as you're learning and 
dealing with problems, and work with the Evolver ONLY.  You don't 
want to be wondering if your problem could be a lack of understanding 
of the Evolver, or a bad MIDI connection, or an improperly set MIDI 
transmit/receive channel, or...  get the picture?  :)

If you remove all the MIDI cables, work with only the Evolver, and 
get out the manual to read the "Sequencer Operation" section, I'm 
confident that you'll get it working just fine.  If not, let me know, 
and I'll write up a little step by step procedure for a simple 
example, and post it in the Evolver forum at EX5Tech.  Such a 
procedure won't be much different than the manual, though!

Once you get your feet on the ground with the Evolver alone, then you 
can hook up the JX-3P again, and begin exploring additional 
sequencing methods.


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "rickyannotta 
<rickyannotta@y...>" <rickyannotta@y...> wrote:
> I do feel as if I'm missing something simple, but I can't figure 
out 
> what "it" is.  The main problem is if I play cool bass line in 
synth 
> mode and want to create a sequence, I go into sequence mode and 
have 
> four Oscillator frequencies AND four sequence tracks to choose 
from!  
> This is where I get lost! I think one specific example of how to 
> program a patch with pitch changes etc.. would help immensely.
> 
> I am also starting to think maybe the poor midi implementation on 
my 
> JX-3P is behind it all.
> 
> Thanks alot for your help ski,
> -Rick        
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@e...>" 
> <ex5tech@e...> wrote:
> > From what you've said, I'm not sure if you're having difficulty 
> > making the Evolver function correctly, or difficulty composing.
> > 
> > If you're having difficulty programming the Evolver sequencer 
> > correctly, I'd recommend reading the page in the manual 
> > entitled "Sequencer Operation".  Especially if you're finding, 
> after 
> > programming a sequence in which you INTENDED to sequence pitch, 
> that 
> > the pitch doesn't change, you're missing something VERY simple.  
> You 
> > basically just have to set one of the sequencer 
> tracks "destination" 
> > to modulate one or more of the oscillators' pitch.  Then you 
> actually 
> > program the values in the sequencer.  Read the manual carefully, 
> > though, for the specific steps.  Don't worry or get frustrated... 
> it 
> > IS something very simple you're missing.  
> > 
> > I might also recommend programming the sequencer with the front 
> panel 
> > knobs, prior to trying to to it with an external MIDI keyboard.  
> Keep 
> > things as simple as possible, and when you have that working, 
THEN 
> > graduate to the more complex stuff.  You don't want to have to 
> wonder 
> > if you have a problem with a MIDI connection or something like 
that 
> > as you're trying to solve another problem.
> > 
> > If you're having difficulty composing... well, get in line!  ;)  
> > Everyone has some degree of trouble from time to time.  And of 
> > course, some people are great at it, and some are not.  Some find 
> it 
> > easy, and some find it hard.  I'm not sure that anyone can help 
> > someone else to be a better composer with just a few quick tips.
> > 
> > Back to the sequencer itself...
> > 
> > You've asked these questions before, as I recall.  I don't 
remember 
> > if you ever answered my previous reply, but did you ever get a 
> chance 
> > to read it?  If so, did it help at all?  Here's a link in case 
you 
> > haven't:
> > 
> > http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
> > ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000016
> > 
> > (Depending on Yahoo or your email program settings, the link 
above 
> > may be wrapped, and you may have top copy/paste it into the 
address 
> > bar in your browser.)
> > 
> > Happy sequencing!
> > 
> > 
> > Ski
> > www.ex5tech.com
> > EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> > http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "rickyannotta 
> > <rickyannotta@y...>" <rickyannotta@y...> wrote:
> > > I'm looking for some help to learn this beast.  I like to 
program 
> > my 
> > > own musical phrases and tweak them.  I toy around with my 
evolver 
> > as 
> > > a synth, and I find something cool, I try to create a 
sequence.  
> > > First I set a destination to a oscillator frequency then go 
into 
> > > sequencer mode, set it so evolver is programmable from a 
keyboard 
> > and 
> > > then...the notes sound nothing like they did in Synth mode or 
> don't 
> > > change pitch at all! It's been frustrating as I haven't even 
been 
> > > able create simple phrases, basslines etc.. 
> > > 
> > > There's really no beginner information available anywhere. 
Where 
> do 
> > > others start when they want to program their own patches or 
tweak 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > out 
> > > existing ones?  
> > > 
> > > Thanks - Rick

Re: Newbie Sequencer Questions

2003-02-14 by Miles Bader

First thing, just assign track one to `OAF' (Oscillator All Frequencies),
then the first track will control the general pitch of the patch.
You can ignore the other tracks until you actually need them for something.

-Miles
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