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2009-07-13 by wasteking1
are the tone of the voices and analog oscillators the same? the PEK adding the digital voices and effects, but otherwise on the same base sound generator? but the prophet has 8 voices to the PEK 's 4? In other words are the voices the same hardware?
2009-07-13 by Robert Krueger
are the tone of the voices and analog oscillators the same? the PEK adding the digital voices and effects, but otherwise on the same base sound generator? but the prophet has 8 voices to the PEK 's 4? In other words are the voices the same hardware?
2009-07-13 by wasteking1
But if you dont use the effects [have them turned off] does it still get the conversion? So you can generally dupilicate all Prophet 08 sounds with the PEK? otherwise , if the hardware and sound is basically the same, is there any other good reason that they didnt just use the same 8 voice base sound generator for BOTH models? Im always wondering why the PEK is limited to 4 voices when the cheaper Prophet has 8. The company claims it was to keep the cost of the PEK down, but that argument seems weak when you limit the top end, "flagship" synth so much, when other companies produce synths with 10/16/30/32/128 voices now. -- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Robert Krueger <robert.krueger@...> wrote:
> > Yes, but the Prophet also has a complete analog signal path. The analog > voices are never converted where as the Evolver analog voices get a digital > conversion through the effects and then back to analog again at the DACs. > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:54 PM, wasteking1 <wasteking1@...> wrote: > > > > > > > are the tone of the voices and analog oscillators the same? the PEK adding > > the digital voices and effects, but otherwise on the same base sound > > generator? but the prophet has 8 voices to the PEK 's 4? In other words are > > the voices the same hardware? > > > > > > >
2009-07-13 by X + Z = 0
evolver has 4 osc for one voice prophet has 2 osc for one voice pek with more than 4 voices would cost a lot more and for what i understand why the chose for 4, was that more would be overkill soundwise do you ever read or understand signalflow charts that are in the manual??? the only analog poly synth thats is new and has more voices is the andy others are pure digital evolver is hybrid o yeah don't get smart ass like a lot of people in the synthcommunity nit picking everything and the ever so bored digital vs analog talk, etc enjoy making sounds, nothing is perfect! > > > But if you dont use the effects [have them turned off] does it still > get the conversion? So you can generally dupilicate all Prophet 08 > sounds with the PEK? otherwise , if the hardware and sound is > basically the same, is there any other good reason that they didnt > just use the same 8 voice base sound generator for BOTH models? Im > always wondering why the PEK is limited to 4 voices when the cheaper > Prophet has 8. The company claims it was to keep the cost of the PEK > down, but that argument seems weak when you limit the top end, > "flagship" synth so much, when other companies produce synths with > 10/16/30/32/128 voices now. > > -- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert Krueger > <robert.krueger@...> wrote: > > > > Yes, but the Prophet also has a complete analog signal path. The analog > > voices are never converted where as the Evolver analog voices get a > digital > > conversion through the effects and then back to analog again at the > DACs. > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:54 PM, wasteking1 <wasteking1@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > are the tone of the voices and analog oscillators the same? the > PEK adding > > > the digital voices and effects, but otherwise on the same base sound > > > generator? but the prophet has 8 voices to the PEK 's 4? In other > words are > > > the voices the same hardware? > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- http://xpluszequalszero.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/wravenveerendegebarstehoofden
2009-07-13 by wasteking1
well , you only answeered one of my questions (sort of) . and its NOT nitpickey to at least play even 6 notes at a time--- In fact my old primitive 1984 juno has 6 voices . yes the Andromeda features 16 voices and only costs $400 more than the PEK , so i dont buy the cost argument. Im not antidigital I love the hybrid aspects of the PEK, just not the pathetically limited number of voices. It didnt make the PEK superior to the competition. DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, X + Z = 0 <xpluszequalszero@...> wrote:
> > evolver has 4 osc for one voice > prophet has 2 osc for one voice > > pek with more than 4 voices would cost a lot more and for what i > understand why the chose for 4, was that more would be overkill soundwise > do you ever read or understand signalflow charts that are in the manual??? > > the only analog poly synth thats is new and has more voices is the andy > > others are pure digital > > evolver is hybrid > > o yeah don't get smart ass like a lot of people in the synthcommunity > nit picking everything and the ever so bored digital vs analog talk, etc > enjoy making sounds, nothing is perfect! > > > > > > > > But if you dont use the effects [have them turned off] does it still > > get the conversion? So you can generally dupilicate all Prophet 08 > > sounds with the PEK? otherwise , if the hardware and sound is > > basically the same, is there any other good reason that they didnt > > just use the same 8 voice base sound generator for BOTH models? Im > > always wondering why the PEK is limited to 4 voices when the cheaper > > Prophet has 8. The company claims it was to keep the cost of the PEK > > down, but that argument seems weak when you limit the top end, > > "flagship" synth so much, when other companies produce synths with > > 10/16/30/32/128 voices now. > > > > -- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert Krueger > > <robert.krueger@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, but the Prophet also has a complete analog signal path. The analog > > > voices are never converted where as the Evolver analog voices get a > > digital > > > conversion through the effects and then back to analog again at the > > DACs. > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:54 PM, wasteking1 <wasteking1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are the tone of the voices and analog oscillators the same? the > > PEK adding > > > > the digital voices and effects, but otherwise on the same base sound > > > > generator? but the prophet has 8 voices to the PEK 's 4? In other > > words are > > > > the voices the same hardware? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://xpluszequalszero.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/wravenveerendegebarstehoofden >
2009-07-13 by John Wieczorek
IMO the PEK is a better build quality, so I think design choices were made with P08 to keep the cost down so they could include more voices. In the end only Dave can answer why certain choices were made in the production of the PEK/PER & P08 My own take is that the voice structure and resulting complexity of the evolver sounds often makes more than 4 voices overkill. If you need more voices, pick up a PEK, MED or PER to augment - I think It's great that DSI offered these various models. - ( I wish moog would offer a 4 voice voyager expansion like the PER) That being said, an internal voice board upgrade would be a cool option. I might not get one because I already have a PEK & PER though. jmw PS: The recent ebay prices on PEKs have been *ridiculously* low (~ $1000) truly great deals for an awesome synth.
2009-07-13 by Dale (Inquisitor Betrayer)
that is often the problem too much ... PEK and P'08, fine together dale band web pages Inquisitor Betrayer "Space Elevator" Get it at http://cdbaby.com/cd/inquisitorbetrayer http://www.inquisitorbetrayer.com , http://www.myspace.com/inquisitorbetrayer , http://www.musicforte.com/member/ib_staff and Angel's Wings www.myspace.com/lorrainekay iTunes http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=200365877 New group for Serious Musicians, Serious_Musicians@yahoogroups.com, for those who want to spend less time marketing and more time making music Escuchen a los Inquisitor - Musica para Inteligentes. Music is nothing if the audience is deaf.
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wieczorek" <evening@...> <snip> > > My own take is that the voice structure and resulting complexity of > the evolver sounds often makes more than 4 voices overkill. > If you need more voices, pick up a PEK, MED or PER to augment - > I think It's great that DSI offered these various models. - ( I wish > moog would offer a 4 voice voyager expansion like the PER) <snip>
2009-07-13 by Anu Kirk
--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "wasteking1" <wasteking1@...> wrote: > > are the tone of the voices and analog oscillators the same? the PEK adding the digital voices and effects, but otherwise on the same base sound generator? but the prophet has 8 voices to the PEK 's 4? In other words are the voices the same hardware? > The tone of the voices and oscillators is NOT the same. Dave Smith indicated that he "tweaked" the waveshapes and filters differently on the Prophet 08 than the Evolver. I personally haven't heard them side-by-side, so I can't say definitively. DocT or someone could give you more of an answer. From what I have heard (both anecdotally and from MP3s, YouTube, etc.) the differences are subtle. For basic 2-oscillator analog-type patches, you should be able to get very close using the Evolver. However if you just want to make those kinds of sounds, I'd get the Prophet. From my perspective, the whole point of getting the Evolver is to make the kinds of sounds only it can make - using the feedback and the digital oscillators in tandem with the analog stuff. Evolver *always* has digital conversion, whether the effects are on or off. Analog oscillators + filter go digital, through HPF/Feedback/Delay, then get converted to analog again at the outputs. You can bypass the HPF, but the digital/analog conversion always happens. It's just how the synth is designed. Some people find it really objectionable. .
2009-07-13 by Dale (Inquisitor Betrayer)
musically speaking they work well together PEK and P'08 ... here in this studio they reside on a three tier rack P'08 on top, PEK middle and Korg Extreme bottom the core ... ;-) it's funny how some expect certain sounds automatically without programming or learning what the synth is, even before you buy it ... I often tell everyone, it's the defects that make up the synth as well as the desired sound ... I am wondering now what some of these people think about how I run a lot of the synths into analog filters ... well there are a few types of people out there who buy synths : a few of the more common types 1. collectors 2. sound makers 3. music makers I am sure many here can add to that list. Which maybe the posts should have a disclaimer, which type of person are you who xyz's the comments? As I mentioned before, I do not think any of my fans who listen to my works care much about the details of the synths used, it's the sound out that tweaks the mind. Dave Smith has made a great pair of rare instruments here. dale band web pages Inquisitor Betrayer "Space Elevator" Get it at http://cdbaby.com/cd/inquisitorbetrayer http://www.inquisitorbetrayer.com , http://www.myspace.com/inquisitorbetrayer , http://www.musicforte.com/member/ib_staff and Angel's Wings www.myspace.com/lorrainekay iTunes http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=200365877 New group for Serious Musicians, Serious_Musicians@yahoogroups.com, for those who want to spend less time marketing and more time making music Escuchen a los Inquisitor - Musica para Inteligentes. Music is nothing if the audience is deaf.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Anu Kirk" <anukirk@...> <snip> > Dave Smith indicated that he "tweaked" the waveshapes and filters differently on the Prophet 08 than the Evolver. > > I personally haven't heard them side-by-side, so I can't say definitively. DocT or someone could give you more of an answer. > > >From what I have heard (both anecdotally and from MP3s, YouTube, etc.) the differences are subtle. For basic 2-oscillator analog-type patches, you should be able to get very close using the Evolver. > > However if you just want to make those kinds of sounds, I'd get the Prophet. From my perspective, the whole point of getting the Evolver is to make the kinds of sounds only it can make - using the feedback and the digital oscillators in tandem with the analog stuff. > > Evolver *always* has digital conversion, whether the effects are on or off. Analog oscillators + filter go digital, through HPF/Feedback/Delay, then get converted to analog again at the outputs. You can bypass the HPF, but the digital/analog conversion always happens. > > It's just how the synth is designed. Some people find it really objectionable. .