Don't know that I can help at this point other than to pass along some info from my research. I am trying to do similar to what you want to do except I'm using Cakewalk Pro Audio 6.0 as the sequencer. If you are playing MIDI back through your DTX and getting a drum kit then consider yourself lucky: seems like I and just about everyone else just starts out getting piano sounds! In fact, I'm still stuck at that point. I'm pursuing looking into sending inserting Program Changes from Cakewalk and learning about Instrument Definitions. If anybody has a .ini file for Yamaha DTXpress instrument definitions for Cakewalk, I'd sure like to know about it... NOTE: The following quotes were gleaned from the archives on this site. I'm sorry but I did not keep up with the author's name for each quote. I think most of the quotes are from Giles and Andy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- So, I've solved my own problem, partly, but I still feel the DTXpress has a bug in it somewhere.Figured out how to do a couple of tricks using "program change" numbers and"midi channels"First you have to set the PC10 and 10 options in the utilities midi menu to"on".Now if you take a song, say song 15, and start playback, all you get is piano and drums.If you scroll through the voice menu ( the song menu is locked out ) you get to two of the "common" pages which let you change the midi channel information. On the first of these pages, turn on midi channels 7, 8, 9 and 10. on page two there are two options, one controls volume, the other pan, play with these later. Now if you go back to the first page, you can change the "PC" value ( defaultis 1 ) as you change it, the voice being played back through that midi channelalso changes! So instead of everything being piano "PC - 1" you can now set channels 7, 8 & 9 to be three different instruments. Makes the preset songs sound much better.Further, if you want to play any of these sounds, you can. Just change the channel "ch" value of the voice of the snare "pad 2" for example, to "ch - 11". Now sceoll down and turn on channel 11, when you play the snare "pad 2" you get a piano sound. You can change this note by changing the voice note, and if you change the "PC" value you change the GM voice being played. Another Song related use: When you record a song, make sure all the pads are set to a midi channel other than 10, now when you turn on that channel in the "song" menu AND "voice" menu, and set the "song" menu channel value to "drumV" instead of "meldy", afteryou've finished recording, you can change to another kit ( one which uses midichannel 10 ) or even edit the existing kit back to "channel 10" and change all its voices, without affecting what you've already recorded!! Now you can record two tracks using different drum kits! - I think someone wanted to do this with a latin kit on track 1 and a standard kit on track 2, well now you can! By the way, watch out for the program change kit assignment in the utilities menu (see referrence guide) I reset all mine to "none". If you don't, when the brain gets a signal from program change 1 it swaps to drum kit 40! I was realy confused by this when it first happened. There you go, Happy new year folks, hope I'm being helpfull!! ******************************************************************** The Midi problem is that when I connect up to the band sequencer, and playback a session we just recorded, the drum pattern plays back through the DTXpress as piano notes, instead of drum notes, despite my best efforts to counteract it. The problem is quickly solved, various set-up options need to be changed, I forget which, but the brain still reverts to piano if you stop and start the sequencer again without any change to the parameters!! It can be cured by moving a parameter away from the desired one and back again, like channel instrument number or changing between Meldy and Drum (you know what I mean) ******************************************************************** You probably already know this, but don't forget to>use single-voice sounds for all the pads, otherwise>you'll have more MIDI events sitting in your file than>you should have.>I did this once and found a cowbell playing every time>I hit a tom!>>You're right about the MIDI note numbers not being >standard on the kick/snare. No idea why Yamaha did>that. To get around it, I set up a separate user kit>called "MIDI standard" with all the voices set to the>correct note numbers. Then I just record using that kit.> ******************************************************************** I gotta say the fact that midi channels revert to Piano at the drop > of a hat drives me crazy. It's made worse of course by the fact > that both the song and the kit (voice menu) have midi channel > control options, and so they constantly override each other!!> This is the weird thing about the DTXpress, there are at least a > couple of instances I can think of where duplicate functions are in > different menus.> 1) Midi channel control, but the voice menu and the song > menu contain different midi channel options!!> 2) Utilities menu and Voice menu. There are options in the > utilities menu to alter the voices of a specific kit! Why??> ******************************************************************** When I record from my DTXpress into cubase everything is fine. When playingback though I get the dreaded piano tones from the DTXpress.OK, we've been here and I thought I had it sussed. You change the channelsettings from "meldy" to "drumV" and now the sounds are fine...until I leave that menu page!!As soon as I return the module to the default page (showing kit and song numbers) the damn unit goes right back to playing piano!!When the unit is first turned on (no matter what the song and voice "common"sttings) the unit will play out piano until the channel sttings page is selected and "drumV" is highlighted and the "+" key pressed. The unit justseems to ignore the actual settings until you go in and fiddle with it, and get the unit to notice the change. ******************************************************************** UT SEQ SETUP MIDI Control= On UT MIDI RECEIVE (the important one..) PC= On SysEx= On UT MIDI RECEIVE (UT MERGE SETUP ? I have no UT MIDI RECIEVE with a merge output option) Merge Output= Off UT MIDI SETUP Send HH Ctrl= On UT MIDI SETUP DevNo=ALL Locl= On ******************************************************************* First - I and I think Giles ( Hi Giles! ) have had problems with the pad songs playing back as GM piano voices. Got that sorted now ( I hope ). You have to go into the song menu and turn on channel 6, that's where the padsong is played through. You'll see that by default it channel 6 is set to"meldy", when you change this to "drumv" back come the drum voices. Fantastic. Of course you can also then change the pan and volume of channel 6 which affects the whole pad song. Second - When you record a song it doesn't record the pad that was struck (like it says in the manual ), instead it records the "note#". If you look in the voice menu of a pad you'll see that it has a "note#" parameter, this is how the DTXpress recognises the different pads. By recording a song, then swappingthe note#'s of the pads and rims you fool the DTXpress into playing the song through the rim triggers, leaving you free to change your pad voices without affecting the song! It's simple. Record a simple snare pattern into song track1. Now go back toyour voice menu in a user kit, Check the note number of the pad2 (snare) then step up to rim2 and check its note#, (remember it!). Change the rim note# to the same as the pad note#, now you'll get lots of "already in use" messages. Go back to pad2 (snare) and change its note# to the old rim2 note# (told you to remember it!). Now when you play back the song the snare has been replaced with a rim shot!. You can now go back into the voice menu for rim2 and edit the voice to whatever you want. Nice and easy, leaving you full volume controle over all the voices in the song seperate to your pads, and letting you effectively play two different kits simultaneously. I just love this DTXpress unit, if only someone could have written a better manual. ( Hey Giles!! - looks like your next web page!! ) By the way, that last point on pad note#'s is realy important if your copying pads to other pads. When you copy a pad you also copy its note#, this gave mea real headache until I figured it out. If you don't edit the note# after copying pads, then the two pads kind of get confused between which voice they're meant to be playing (if you change one voice of course ). Anyway, there you go folks. Feel free to add any of this to your tips andtricks board Giles, or to tell me it's all in the manual and I'm just being dumb!! :)I think I'm finally starting to get the use out of this little box that I realy wanted. *******************************************************************
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Re: please educate me!
2001-06-07 by kenlow@vnet.net
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